2016 Formula 1 Petronas Malaysia Grand PrixFormula 1

[prisonermonkeys]

are you sure it wasn't "Traction
Metrics"?

It could have been. It sounded like "matrix" to my ears.

I'm not sure what was said or what the negative reception

Croft and di Resta asked the audience what they thought via Twitter, and most of the responders didn't think much of it. The consensus was that it was symptomatic of the "engineers driving the car" attitude that everyone railed against and to which the FIA responded to with the radio ban.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

Yep, I knew they would do this again. They didn't do it the last couple of races, which surprised me, but it annoys me soo much.
Turn now, break here, go on full throttle a little earlier... Then they could also have RC cars, that would maybe be more exciting...


Also it wasn't a "Ferrari era" as much as a "Schumacher era". Ferrari took Schumacher under contract specifically because they knew he would help to make their then extremely weak car faster.

Since the 1970s the best "era" of F1, so many rivalries and like someone else said, Schumacher had always to fight for his championships, Hakkinen was also great at that time, and Villeneuve was also someone who somehow magically managed to beat the unbeatable Ferraris (if memory serves right).


Anyways, ughh, driver coaching, worst thing ever...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yep, I knew they would do this again. They didn't do it the last couple of races, which surprised me, but it annoys me soo much.
Turn now, break here, go on full throttle a little earlier... Then they could also have RC cars, that would maybe be more exciting...


Also it wasn't a "Ferrari era" as much as a "Schumacher era". Ferrari took Schumacher under contract specifically because they knew he would help to make their then extremely weak car faster.

Since the 1970s the best "era" of F1, so many rivalries and like someone else said, Schumacher had always to fight for his championships, Hakkinen was also great at that time, and Villeneuve was also someone who somehow magically managed to beat the unbeatable Ferraris (if memory serves right).


Anyways, ughh, driver coaching, worst thing ever...

Wow way not to give credit to Ross Brawn (who already built race and championship winning cars) and Rory Bryne. I mean yeah each era has had a great driver to drive these things, but if you seriously believe that without the guidance of the head engineer like Murry, Newey, Brawn, and now with Lowe that these guys would be as well known...HAAHAHAHAHA

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

And was Brawn successful at Ferrari before Schumacher joined them? I thought they've been like a midfield team at that time?
I honestly don't know, but if he wasn't then I don't know what point you're trying to make.

Also I might be biased, but I remember the Ferrari guys saying this a lot and thanking Schumacher for helping to get them on track with endless testing sessions and even going to the Ferrari factory at Maranello frequently. A very unique approach and huge effort which I don't think you can appreciate.


So, yes I definitely think your Ross Brawn would be much less successful and known without Schumacher. And I also think he wouldn't have a problem admitting this tbh.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

And was Brawn successful at Ferrari before Schumacher joined them? I thought they've been like a midfield team at that time?
I honestly don't know, but if he wasn't then I don't know what point you're trying to make.

Yeah he was successful, but he wasn't at Ferrari before Schumacher, considering he was the same engineer that gave Michael the cars that allowed the first two championships.

Also I might be biased, but I remember the Ferrari guys saying this a lot and thanking Schumacher for helping to get them on track with endless testing sessions and even going to the Ferrari factory at Maranello frequently. A very unique approach and huge effort which I don't think you can appreciate.

Ferrari figure heads thanked him sure, back then there was unlimited testing and with the money Ferrari threw at F1, combined with a serious driver and engineering staff the rest is now history. I never said I didn't appreciate it, but he isn't the first WDC driver or last to do it. What I get tired of is the squabble that somehow these are gods (figuratively), when people above you just got done complaining about how engineers help said gods achieve that status. Nearly holding their hands at time even. Schumacher's era was no different.

So, yes I definitely think your Ross Brawn would be much less successful and known without Schumacher. And I also think he wouldn't have a problem admitting this tbh.

I think you haven't a clue and you more or less state that, he's not my Ross Brawn but okay. Sorry if knocking your driver off a pedestal you've put him on to a more realistic status is an issue. I'll also make sure that Adrian Newey knows he'd be nothing without Mansel, Prost, Hill, Haikkenen, and Vettel. Or that Murray would be nothing with out Prost and Senna. Lowe better thank his stars that Hamilton even graced him with the opportunity to drive the car he led the design on with his staff of engineers that powered him to the last 2 wdc.

In other words, no the person who'd be less famous is the guys that they looked over to drive it to 5 WDC and several WCC.

 

[TheBook]

Am I the only one around here who doesn't mind the radio messages? I like the extra insight into the teams' operations that they usually bring. E.g., I didn't know traction metrics were even a thing until they said something about it.

*dons flamesuit*

 

[mustafur]

Mclaren have remade a Pub out of their Motorhome called the Dog & Button, to celebrate his 300th race.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

The design change is not done for aesthetic mesure, it's done to reduce aero drag so that car can follow each other better and so that we can have more overtake. So yes they are trying to give driver more weapon to make that cool move because obviously we always want more of them. Dont get me wrong, one of my favorite driver is Mansell because he was nuts behind a wheel he would make pass no one else have done and could do again, so yes I like overtake but you have to realize how f1 works and why they unable to pass other car a lot now. The current car are just generating too much dirty air.

I think we are both confused here.

2009 aero change --> designed to reduce downforce so the loss of downforce of a following car isn't as detrimental to the performance gap. Also I've read somewhere the wide front and narrow rear produces a cleaner "wake" which again aims to reduce the effect of dirty air to a car behind. I have no problem with attempts to increase natural overtaking, but surely with all that expertise they can reduce downforce without making the car's proportions look funny and unbalanced.

2017 aero change --> designed to add back downforce (cars will be 3 seconds faster next year IIRC) and to make the cars look more "aggressive". I like more speed, and I like the look of next year car's renders so far. However, by increasing downforce again they run the risk of making it harder to follow a car in front (again).

So either you have ugly cars that can overtake OR good looking cars that cannot overtake. My question is, why can't we have good looking cars that CAN overtake (like 70s-80s F1, without compromising safety of course)?

My crazy idea is to remove wings altogether (or just have tiny vestigial wings for aesthetics) and rely on sucker fans (ala Red Bull X1) for downforce. Safer than ground effects because it's consistent. High mechanical grip and minimal aero grip so no penalty for following cars. The fans can be standardised so FIA can control exactly how much downforce is allowed (for cornering speed safety).

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The problem with that is that the teams won't want to risk their current positions. They'll say they're all for more passing or closer racing, but when it comes down to it, they'll only support it until they stand to lose something.

 

[BrainsBush]

nice FP3

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Am I the only one missing Suzie Wolf on c4 ?

Also too much Max is killing the Max, it feels like I hear a Verstappen interview each race week-end now.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Looks like Jenson found the autospin kerbs

 

[Ryk]

7 gears bad luck for Grosjean breaking his Mirror

 

[Roo]

Am I the only one around here who doesn't mind the radio messages?

I've never had an issue with unlimited radio either. It's a team sport, and hearing the team not being able to share information just sounded farcical.

 

[BrainsBush]

1.32.850 ... that's fast

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The first four rows are Noah's Ark.

 

[BrainsBush]

And the fifth row: Waldorf and Statler

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

The first four rows are Noah's Ark.

It's like they just skipped qualifying and let someone with OCD arrange the grid - most of it anyway.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Lewis looks on it, should be interesting tomorrow.

 

[spyrrari]

GOMAX!!! 👍







Spy.

 

[Dhalism]

Am I the only one around here who doesn't mind the radio messages? I like the extra insight into the teams' operations that they usually bring. E.g., I didn't know traction metrics were even a thing until they said something about it.

*dons flamesuit*

I feel that it addressed the wrong issue with radio messages anyway. I think the 'gap' coaching is a lot more damaging to entertainment than driving coaching. In the old timey races you oftentimes would see the leader hotlapping despite being ahead by a mile, but nowadays they can coach them on the distance to the car behind on a corner by corner basis which results in perfect conservation strategies.

But maybe i'm just being 'good-old-times'

 

[Samus]

Really odd how the Merc drivers are trading a healthy advantage over the other in quali recently. Lewis had half a second in Italy, Rosberg had 7 tenths in Singapore and now Hamilton has four tenths in Malaysia. Germany was the last time they were within the usual 1 to 2 tenths.

 

[Roo]

I feel that it addressed the wrong issue with radio messages anyway. I think the 'gap' coaching is a lot more damaging to entertainment than driving coaching. In the old timey races you oftentimes would see the leader hotlapping despite being ahead by a mile, but nowadays they can coach them on the distance to the car behind on a corner by corner basis which results in perfect conservation strategies.

But maybe i'm just being 'good-old-times'

I'm curious to know which old timey races you had in mind, because I'm sure ever since pitboards have been used the gaps to the cars ahead and behind have been relayed to the drivers, who would then back off because the cars weren't that reliable - much like today. Granted, it used to be on a lap by lap basis rather than corner by corner, but communicating the gap is nothing new, unless it doesn't happen in a series that I'm not familiar with - quite possible!

 

[Samus]

I'm curious to know which old timey races you had in mind, because I'm sure ever since pitboards have been used the gaps to the cars ahead and behind have been relayed to the drivers, who would then back off because the cars weren't that reliable - much like today. Granted, it used to be on a lap by lap basis rather than corner by corner, but communicating the gap is nothing new, unless it doesn't happen in a series that I'm not familiar with - quite possible!

Indeed, pit boards with gaps on have been used since the 60s at least. Drivers even did it occasionally!

The reason the drivers aren't pushing on these days is simply management of everything.

 

[Dhalism]

I'm curious to know which old timey races you had in mind, because I'm sure ever since pitboards have been used the gaps to the cars ahead and behind have been relayed to the drivers, who would then back off because the cars weren't that reliable - much like today. Granted, it used to be on a lap by lap basis rather than corner by corner, but communicating the gap is nothing new, unless it doesn't happen in a series that I'm not familiar with - quite possible!

Well like Keke in detroit 85 when he finished ahead by almost a minute and set fastest lap on lap 58. I dont doubt that the result wouldnt be as stark, since its not only radio communications but also the very art of conservation that has been perfected but I think we underestimate how much help constant updates actually provide - and perhaps how hard it is to read pitboards at that speed - just like we underestimated how hard the radio ban would impact race starts.

I mean i don't know if i'm right but thats how i see it.

 

[ukfan758]

Here we go!

Vettel out, Rosberg clipped.

 

[Grayfox]

Contact with with a redbull.

 

[Vinylshark]

Does Ferrari have a junior team?

 

[05XR8]

How did Verstappen make it through? Lucky.

 

[FutureF1]

What the hell Vettel...

I swear if this decided a the championship.....