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Tomorrow more qualifying, 2 P.M. Eastern time 11 A.M. Pacific Time. I'll be watching and waiting.
24 Heures du Mans 12th-13th June 2010
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My fellow Australians, Channel One HD has got HEAPS of coverage this year, 16.5hrs if I understand correctly.
Only men go to work.
GO CORVETTE!
What are they saying?
NO, CORVETTE!
I too think they should be one class, I also don't see the point of LMP2......
Good for you, Only girls go to bed.
Anyone found a link to live timing?
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Session is over, a wait for 2 hours before qualifying starts
The fastest time were:
LMP1 No 2 Peugeot 3:20.034
LMP2 No 26 HPD ARX 3:38.691
GT1 No 52 Aston Martin 3:56.839
GT2 No 64 Corvette 4:00.888
GO CORVETTE!
Me too, but it's easy to forget that this is only the first qualifying session, it's bound to get more 'interesting' as we get closer to the race:tup:
I can't belive what RLM are saying about GT1 & 2.
What are they saying?
Session over, heres the top times from each class:
LMP1 - No.3 Peugeot Sport Total 908 3:19.711
LMP2 - No.42 Strakka Racing HPD 3:36.168
LMGT1 - No. 52 Young Driver AMR DBR9 3:55.025
LMGT2 - No. 82 Risi Competizione Ferrari F430 3:58.233
JLOC last in LMGT1, but not out!.
NO, CORVETTE!
I too think they should be one class, I also don't see the point of LMP2......
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Is it just me, or does the #79 BMW M3 look better than it should?
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It's that time of the year again where I bring out my DFP and my 5-year old FIA GTR game to have some laps around Spa Francorchamps in the Viper or 550 Maranello before the race on Saturday. Fun stuff! 👍
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From 2011 the GT1 class will be scrapped to be replace by GT2 Pro and Am categories.
GT2 Pro will be for factories and major privateers with the latest cars and Pro drivers. They will also be able to run hybrid technology.
GT2 Am will be for 1+ year old cars and amateur drivers.
P1 will run P2 spec engines and hybrid technology.
P2 will run production based engines like those in GT2.
The International Le Mans Cup is as follows -
-12 hours of Sebring
-1000 km of Spa
-24 hours of Le Mans (double points)
-1000km of Silverstone
-10 hours of Petit Le Mans
-1000 km of Mont Fuji
-1000 km China TBA
This is effectively a new World Sportscar Championship. Including Le Mans in the calander, something the ACO said they would never do, shows how seriously they are taking the ILMC.
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That actually sucks in my mind, I know GT1 isn't as quick as it used to be but...GT2 isn't as interesting to watch as GT1 IMO. I can't see myself wanting to watch Le Mans next year without GT1 as neither LMP1/2 and GT2 interests me as much. There is just something about seeing a DBR9 (or any other GT1 car for that matter) blast down the Mulsanne which is so very appealing compared to the others classes. I understand that it means now more cars can enter (seeming GT2 is cheaper to run), but GT2 isn't actually cheap.
The reason why the FIA GT Championships aren't running a GT2 Championship this year is because of the lack of entries, I really don't think GT2 is that popular. You have to bear in mind some of the GT2 cars have come over from the US for Le Mans and they wouldn't be able to make every single race (as it increase their spending as they fly to the Europe and various other places).
I honestly can't see why they can't keep GT1 but encourage more of the cars from the FIA GT1 Championship to enter. Even if you could only have one car from every team in FIA GT1 you would still have 12 GT1 cars. And of course JLOC could still enter
I'm not happy about that decision, at all. 👎
Just incase anyone doesn't believe JAGUAR1977 here's the source; http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84268
The reason why the FIA GT Championships aren't running a GT2 Championship this year is because of the lack of entries, I really don't think GT2 is that popular. You have to bear in mind some of the GT2 cars have come over from the US for Le Mans and they wouldn't be able to make every single race (as it increase their spending as they fly to the Europe and various other places).
I honestly can't see why they can't keep GT1 but encourage more of the cars from the FIA GT1 Championship to enter. Even if you could only have one car from every team in FIA GT1 you would still have 12 GT1 cars. And of course JLOC could still enter
I'm not happy about that decision, at all. 👎
Just incase anyone doesn't believe JAGUAR1977 here's the source; http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84268
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Two years ago, I set out to complete the proximus 24h of spa on my GTR game, as a prelude to the Le Mans competition. I was trying to get myself into the spirit of the competition. I entered in the Porsche GT2, everything was going well, I was in the Top 5 with a pit stop in hand, 4 hours into the race. I was passing a back marker heading into Eau Rouge, and getting off line in the process. I lost the back end and hit the wall backwards, at which point I saw one of my wheels rolling across the track.
Despite being absolutely gutted at the time, it reminded me exactly what endurance racing is all about - survival. I think this time I am going to prepare with a 50 lap arcade race of circuit de la sarthe in GT4. Thankfully Gran turismo doesn't have damage yet.
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That actually sucks in my mind, I know GT1 isn't as quick as it used to be but...GT2 isn't as interesting to watch as GT1 IMO. I can't see myself wanting to watch Le Mans next year without GT1 as neither LMP1/2 and GT2 interests me as much. There is just something about seeing a DBR9 (or any other GT1 car for that matter) blast down the Mulsanne which is so very appealing compared to the others classes. I understand that it means now more cars can enter (seeming GT2 is cheaper to run), but GT2 isn't actually cheap.
The reason why the FIA GT Championships aren't running a GT2 Championship this year is because of the lack of entries, I really don't think GT2 is that popular. You have to bear in mind some of the GT2 cars have come over from the US for Le Mans and they wouldn't be able to make every single race (as it increase their spending as they fly to the Europe and various other places).
I honestly can't see why they can't keep GT1 but encourage more of the cars from the FIA GT1 Championship to enter. Even if you could only have one car from every team in FIA GT1 you would still have 12 GT1 cars. And of course JLOC could still enter
I'm not happy about that decision, at all. 👎
Just incase anyone doesn't believe JAGUAR1977 here's the source; http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84268
My understanding is that its a combined GT1+GT2 class.....we will still see GT1 entries in it, just the regulations will be slightly different to the GT1 World Championship.
Makes sense considering the very small GT1 class anyway and the very close times as well as the non-existance of an FIA GT2 class.
This effectively means there is no longer "GT2" just a "GT" class.
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I like the idea, personally. I was sad to see GT1 die in ALMS, but what's here now is pretty good. From all this it seems that the ACO is actually trying to make it better. As they said in the article, it gives some of the gentleman drivers a chance to compete. What I'm really hoping for is for Sumo Power and the Nissan GTR to show.
I'm on the fence as to the changes for the prototypes, though. Guess I'll have to wait another year and see how it turns out.
I'm on the fence as to the changes for the prototypes, though. Guess I'll have to wait another year and see how it turns out.
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Coming from someone who also said that GT2 doesn't even run there (this year)?
Really? Do you like Automobile racing perhaps?
Not *technically exactly the same*, but GT2 is all that runs in North America - as the GT series in ALMS.
I honestly can't see why they can't keep GT1 but encourage more of the cars from the FIA GT1 Championship to enter. Even if you could only have one car from every team in FIA GT1 you would still have 12 GT1 cars. And of course JLOC could still enter
Because...it costs money to enter? Tires, fuel...crew? I'm sure not all the teams have the funds to enter a huge endurance event.
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I know this argument is moot because of what was discussed afterwards of there being a GT1/GT2 sort of combined thing. I just felt like complaining to Speedster in particular. Mostly to try and drive him insane.
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Yeah I have watched it in previous years and for me it wasn't as interesting.
Ok, I guess not, I probably would watch it but wouldn't feel the same kind of dedication to try and follow it, I like having a team to back which could do well. My prefferred team in LMP1 is obviously AMR but the chances they (honestly) have of winning are slim. Having a DBR9 that I can get behind in GT1 is something thats closer to home I guess. After seeing FIA GT1 at Silverstone I think I can relate to these cars more.
Yeah I know, they run GT2 cars (but tuned down) in N24 as well, as well as the International GT Open, which is essentially where all the GT2 cars went after the SRO said GT2 wasn't in the FIA GT Championships this year. But whilst my original statement may have been wrong, I don't think there is a wide variation in GT2 cars. Take for example Le Mans this year, the entry list is mainly consisting Porsche's, Ferrari's, Corvette, then of course the ones over from America and a couple of odd ones here and there; Spyker, BMW Art Car (Is this from ALMS?). So technically there is not that many different makes of cars, in comparison to GT1 which currently has Ford, Aston, Chevrolet, Saleen and Lamborghini. So I'd almost say for the amount of cars from GT1, GT1 actually offers more variation. But...I don't know.
Yeah I know this too, thus the reason why I said one car from each team. Phoenix Racing was planned to enter, and I am surprised this year (now that MC12 is allowed?) Vitaphone didn't jump in. There are teams in GT1 which have the money which haven't entered.
Yeah, he likes to wind me up. Just ignore us.
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I like the GT idea, and was pondering this myself, and I love the idea of re-introducing a World Sportscar Champsionship-style championship, uniting all the major sportscar races - the Sebring 12hrs, Le Mans 24hrs, 1000km of Silverstone, Petit Le Mans, all in one series. Fantastic. The only other one I'd have is the Daytona 24hrs, but I realise that's an exclusive Grand-Am event nowadays.
The prototype proposals stink though. I don't like the way that motorsport is becoming more and more politicised - I've always been one to say that motorsport is a form of escapism, an experiance to enjoy and savour, to escape from everyday life for a weekend and immerse oneself in the visceral thrill of it. Constant 'green' messages and 'green' influences affecting the racing gives me a very awkward feeling. Somebody previously mentioned about how the quiet diesels 'are not wasting needless energy on sound' or something along those lines, but for me, the roar of a Corvette V8 is an experiance to savour, and is all part of the incredible show of motor racing. Why are the prototype engines being restricted? Am I reading it right when I say that there are nothing bigger than a V8 in P2? I might be being a little naive here, I mean, I can see the logic of a small electric motor to take cars down pit road, that makes common sense.
If I'm being naive here with presuming that the engines will be overly restricted for P1, please feel free to explain away
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Fair enough. I disagree as...I can't really see it being not as interesting. It's very interesting over here....for me anyway.
Mm. Everyone likes their home team, and someone they admire. Can't say anything about that. Relating to a particular team or car is what makes GT car fans.
Mm. Interesting. I don't follow the racing in Europe very much, so I appreciate the information. There is some variation in the cars. In ALMS there are the Corvettes, Porsches, Ferraris, the BMWs (all competing at Le Mans), as well as a Ford GT (but it isn't very competitive). And the Jaaaaag, but it also isn't competitive (but that's competing at Le Mans too). The BMW Art car is a one-off paintjob for Le Mans though, I believe. I would say the amount of variation is about...equal.
Mm. Well, I don't know why they didn't enter. Can't really speculate as to the reason people choose not to compete, especially if I don't follow the series.
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Ok sorry, I was tired last night and the text on the timing page is small. Not a good combo.
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I'm currently undecided on this whole class changing matter. I was very annoyed at first but I can see some advantages.
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Not today, I think both squads did around 3.27 as their best until this moment. Maybe the Peugeot's advantage isn't so big as in a dry track
EDIT - Audi #8 just did the fastest lap of the session (3.25) so conditions are improving. But definitely they are pretty much even with the Peugeots (if not better) in these conditions
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where's live timing or vid feed at (free)?
edit- found feed http://atdhe.net/15375/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans
edit- found feed http://atdhe.net/15375/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans
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Live timing : http://www.lemans.org/en/courses/24h-chrono-en-direct-2010.html
Live stream(French or..??) : http://www.justin.tv/comandante_fatal17
RLM : http://rlm.0157.org/nplayer.php
Live stream(French or..??) : http://www.justin.tv/comandante_fatal17
RLM : http://rlm.0157.org/nplayer.php
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The prototype proposals stink though. I don't like the way that motorsport is becoming more and more politicised - I've always been one to say that motorsport is a form of escapism, an experiance to enjoy and savour, to escape from everyday life for a weekend and immerse oneself in the visceral thrill of it. Constant 'green' messages and 'green' influences affecting the racing gives me a very awkward feeling. Somebody previously mentioned about how the quiet diesels 'are not wasting needless energy on sound' or something along those lines, but for me, the roar of a Corvette V8 is an experiance to savour, and is all part of the incredible show of motor racing. Why are the prototype engines being restricted? Am I reading it right when I say that there are nothing bigger than a V8 in P2? I might be being a little naive here, I mean, I can see the logic of a small electric motor to take cars down pit road, that makes common sense.
If I'm being naive here with presuming that the engines will be overly restricted for P1, please feel free to explain away
The problem is though, much of motorsport relies on government support to continue to run - race circuits in particular struggle to operate without help from the government and the community. How can the governments or race circuits convince people spending money on what is seen as a rich mans sport as being reasonable?
Manufacturers struggle to convince their boards of directors of the benefits of motorsport and its a big thing in business and companies today to look towards green solutions now.
If motorsport tries to ignore it all it will die forever. I see nothing wrong as long as the racing is good, though I do agree the sound of the diesels is not exciting. But ideas like KERS and so on should be brought in and green technologies should be considered and focused on to stay relevant with the times.
I certainly don't want to see electric motor racing though, but I don't consider electric motors particularly green anyway.
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Am I looking at the wrong live timing? Mine is saying the Peugeot has set a 3.19.
Yes, it's a bit confusing, not to mention plain stupid, but they (official site) keep the best times displayed in the best lap column as "best from all sessions combined".
I only know what they are doing if I keep watching the "last lap" column (and hearing radio lemans at the same time helps a lot
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Yes, it's a bit confusing, not to mention plain stupid, but they (official site) keep the best times displayed in the best lap column as "best from all sessions combined".
I only know what they are doing if I keep watching the "last lap" column (and hearing radio lemans at the same time helps a lot
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. 👍
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I have seen Audi jump to the lead within the first few turns of a number of races where they did not qualify on pole. Most recent for me was Petit Le Mans where Peugeot were sitting 1-2 at the beginning of the race, but I was sitting at Turn 4 and saw Allan McNish come around Turn 2 in the lead.
I don't know if Audi just doesn't push as hard in qualifying or what, but I've learned not to take their timing there as any kind of sign.
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Team Oreca Peugeot was fastest today
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Alex Wurz looked set to beat Team Oreca's time, but hit traffic in the last sector twice.
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