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In GT6 they should have 30 cars for each make, that way no one complains about having so many Japanese cars.
30 Cars from each make.
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PD's too small for that, as it seems right now. Outsourcing could help, though.
And frankly, not all manufacturers have 30 worthy models.
Premium models are better balanced (country-wise). It's the standard models that inflate the JDM bias. That should dissolve in GT6 when the standards (many Japanese cars) are forever removed.
And frankly, not all manufacturers have 30 worthy models.
Premium models are better balanced (country-wise). It's the standard models that inflate the JDM bias. That should dissolve in GT6 when the standards (many Japanese cars) are forever removed.
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Ya, just an I dea though.
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There aren't many Japanese cars, it's a myth. The premium cars (which are the cars made for GT5) are pretty much near the same proportion of the size of each country's automotive industry. The only thing that's missing are the Chinese cars, if you really mean that there should be a fair representation.
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I doubt that there are thirty Fiats that I would want.
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Not all manufacturers have even made 30 cars.
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30's a bit high, but I do think that there should be less makes with just one or two car models unless that's really all they got. I think striving for at least 5 models per make, even if some of the cars aren't necessarily the fastest or coolest, would be nice.
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Good luck finding 30 Paganis, 30 ASLs, 30 McLarens, 30 Gillets, 30 RUFs, and 30 Spykers. And even if you could find 30 Caterhams or 30 Minis, the vast majority would all be the same car in very many ways. And 30 Suzukis, 30 Chrysler/Dodges, 30 FIATs, 30 Lancias and 30 Diahatsu are going to yield many cars that you probably wouldn't want to drive.
On the flip side, I really don't think there should be as much as 30 of any single car brand in GT6, with the possible exceptions of Ferrari and Nissan. There should be as many cars of a single brand as there need to be, no more and no less.
On the flip side, I really don't think there should be as much as 30 of any single car brand in GT6, with the possible exceptions of Ferrari and Nissan. There should be as many cars of a single brand as there need to be, no more and no less.
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I respectfully disagree.
There should be as many cars for every make as possible, though obviously it should be balanced so that there aren't certain makes being neglected (PD needs to work on this!). And IMHO they need to come up with a better method of handling model variants than listing each as a completely separate car. Perhaps instead of simply choosing "Dealership -> Brand (Honda) -> Car (Prelude SiR S-spec '98)", it should be more like "Dealership -> Brand (Honda) -> Model (Prelude) -> Car (Prelude SiR S-spec '98)"
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I'm saying the exact same thing, except with an added dose of reality. I'm sure there are thousands of cars that could be in GT6, but it's not realistic to model that many cars to the required graphical standard (+ performance and sound programing). PD will put in as many cars into the game as possible, but their makes are not completely under their control as there are politics in the process. PD will try to get what they think should be in the game into the game, but other factors are also at play. To look at it and say something like "There should be x amount of cars from "i" brand and there should be y amount of cars from "j" brand" is awfully simplistic.
Regardless, if PD believe the game needs more Japanese cars, so be it. A common thought among many forumers here is that there should be less Japanese cars, but what they don't realize is that probably also means less cars overall.
GT6 most likely won't have as many cars as GT4 or GT5. In any case, I don't think a system like this is necessary, the current system does just fine. Most car "models" would only contain 1 "car", so this system would be fairly redundant most of the time.
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Saying that there should be x amount of cars from "i" brand is overly simplistic, and so too is saying that there shouldn't be more than x amount of cars from "i" brand. Which is why I originally took issue with your statement.
But really I was just using that as an excuse tell my idea for how I think the car dealership ought to be organized.
Though you do make a point that GT6 will probably have less cars than GT4 or GT5, in which case my scheme would be unnecessary and annoy the player with additional layers of menus (which GT already has a problem with). Perhaps I'm thinking too far ahead.
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I probably shouldn't have worded it that way. The "no more" is only under the umbrella of a fixed number of total cars. Let's say GT6 has 468 total cars, in a perfect world there would be an ideal number of cars for each brand (hence the "no more, no less"), but obviously in the real world there are other forces at play. Of course, more is always welcome.
It's late, my apologies, I shouldn't be posting at all right now; my ramblings are probably not entirely coherent.
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Actually the amount of Japanese cars is still disproportionate considering your reasoning.
Don't tempt me....
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30 cars for everyone is extremely general. Some makes don't have 30 cars. Some individual model have more than 30 unique versions.
What they meed to do is balance the list by the size of every manufacturer. Maybe the goal would be to have 30% of all the cars produced by each manufacturer.
What they meed to do is balance the list by the size of every manufacturer. Maybe the goal would be to have 30% of all the cars produced by each manufacturer.
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Lots of race car versions of the cars you have listed.
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I agree 100% with the first part; but balance shouldn't play a role. If Fiat and Ford were balanced in the dealership, then Ford wouldn't be represented properly.
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I like the Japanese cars, they are what makes the GT series true to its roots. But I agree, we need more cars from other countries. But does that really mean we have to get rid of all the Skylines, MX-5s and Imprezas?
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Not all of them but I would be sad to see 3/4s of each gone. Especially since in GT5 they lost all of their unique traits.
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The problem with the 30 cars rule is it would take PD and Kaz even longer just deciding which 30 cars would make the cut. IMO I would take the T10/Forza approach in where they have plenty of cars that either people care about/want to drive/look awesome but they also do not have 300 different 199X Skylines with minor difference between each other
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Ok, i havent read all replys to this thread, so exuse me if i repeat someone 
I belive the idea from thread starter is that it should be balanced amount of each brand, not like now, with at least 3 didgit versons of the skyline series (even tho that kaz made the intreor screen in the r35, and that his first private car was a skyline of some sort.) and just a few european cars.
I belive the idea from thread starter is that it should be balanced amount of each brand, not like now, with at least 3 didgit versons of the skyline series (even tho that kaz made the intreor screen in the r35, and that his first private car was a skyline of some sort.) and just a few european cars.
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This is a cool idea, but 3 to 5 is the best number to represent each manufacture. Of course, you're going to run into problems with manufactures like Tesla and Lister, but you'd have a good list. 30 cars should probably be the maximum number of cars from each manufacture.
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It is disproportionate, there should be many more Japanese cars if the list would be in proportion to reality. See picture below.
Well, RM's are simply duplicates so they don't count. Chrome Line, Stealth and promotion cars are also duplicates so they are excluded too. Super GT cars, Karts, NASCAR, Rally cars, X1's are excluded because they represent racing regulations rather than marques (One NASCAR doesn't make a summer, you need a bunch to have a proper grid. Same for Super GT and Rally...). Tuner cars are excluded because they don't compete with the regular roadcars and should be counted separately. They are more comparable to the race cars in the sense that they represent a niche of cars rather than a specific marque.
If we only count roadcars, this is what happens:
If the GT5 car list would be balanced towards real world production, these countries would get more cars:
Germany +12
Japan +10
France +7
Sweden +1
These would lose cars:
USA -6
UK -10
Italy -14
Conclusion: Japan is not overrepresented in any way. It's actually Italy, UK and USA who are overrepresented. Germany, Japan, France and Sweden are all underrepresented. Of course there are a bunch of other countries not even included in GT5 (China and India being the biggest ones missing), but based on what's already in the game this is the result.
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I'll just leave this here for reference:
And I agree with Exorcet that RMs are completely different cars. They take time to make. The same goes for the TCs, and PD decided to choose Japanese cars for the majority of them.
And I agree with Exorcet that RMs are completely different cars. They take time to make. The same goes for the TCs, and PD decided to choose Japanese cars for the majority of them.
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30 cars from each make? A bit to extreme there. :\
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For some makes yes, but some manufacturers could easily hit that number.
http://myforzagarage.com/car_list.php
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Well, RM is a tuning upgrade. In my view, a race modification is not another car for the car count. The Nissan Silvia and the Nissan Silvia RM is the same car. Anyway, the fact that it's a race car excludes it either way, as I'm only counting road cars.
Of course it's an interesting discussion which cars can be race modified, but it's another topic.
Well I disagree. The tuned car represents a special niche of cars and should not count towards the representation of its marque. After all, the tuning car culture in a country can be very different from the production rate of its industry. Tuned cars should be weighted against other tuned cars, not against overall production.
Of course there can still be bias but I don't have any figures of how big the tuning scene is in Japan vs USA, if you can find such figures I'll be happy to crunch them.
Same thing applies as for tuned cars. If you want to compare race car representation, then measure against other race cars. A stock Honda Civic is not the same as a DTM Audi A4. You can however measure the representation of DTM cars vs Super GT cars, I'm pretty sure Super GT will come out overrepresented there...
...that's not what I'm doing here though, I'm looking at the size of each marque, and roadcar production is the indicator of my choise.
Europe has Germany and France (and they are indeed underrepresented). Mini makes a few cars in the UK but it's tiny in comparison. Not to mention the exclusive brands who only makes a handfull each year.
US doesn't have much of its former glory left. There are more Japanese cars made in the US than US cars made there. (2008 Japanese marques produced 3,5 million cars in the USA while US marques produced 1,5 million.). On a global level, Japanese marques produced 5 times as many cars as US marques.
Even if we count variation, the variety within the Japanese industry is greater than any other's, with the only exception of China. But China is not included in the game and is thus excluded from this survey.
Here is the relative representation in GT5:
Well, then you can say that Japanese cars are overrepresented in the RM and TC selection, but the fact remains that they are simply upgrades of the base model so they don't count towards marque representation.
If you want to count time spent on each marque (which I'm not, clearly some premiums have had more love from PD than others), then it's not right either to count RM and TC as unique cars as they are much faster to model than a brand new car. Most RM's are just the base car with some fancy aero parts and a sticker + a new interior. They didn't do those from scratch. Not saying that they shouldn't be counted, but they should be counted towards other RM's and TC's.
I'm not saying it's wrong to want more cars from Europe, Australia, Korea or USA, but it's not right to claim that the representation of Japanese cars is disproportionate, because it's not. Not in any measurable way.
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