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This article was published by Joe Donaldson (@Joey D) on January 20th, 2019 in the Cars category.
@Joey D The Encyclopedia Galactica was outsold by the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy because the Guide had the words "Don't Panic" inscribed in large, friendly letters on its cover.If this happens, remember those famous words from the Encyclopedia Galactica and “Don’t Panic”.
Exactly. The first one says it all. Saw that one two weeks ago. AWD is worthless if you don't have the traction to put it to use. Anyway, where I live, winter tires are mandatory in winter.FWD on winter tires (not RWD) versus 4WD (according to the youtube video title, so not AWD) on summer tires
FWD on winter tires (not RWD) versus 4WD (according to the youtube video title, so not AWD) on summer tires
In Sweden it’s mandatory to go to a skid pad when you take your driving license. My instructor told me that the best thing to do if you skid is to brake and steer in the direction where you want to go. With ABS you should slam the brakes and let the system do what it’s meant to do.
Why? Because braking reduces the energy if you crash and because most drivers don’t have the experience needed to recover from a skid, so by not braking chances are greater that you crash and when that happens you will also crash at a higher speed.
But that was my intention, to show that winter tires to beat winter on the road.These comparisons are just stupid and not even remotely fair, summer tires are already horrible and lose traction in cold weather minus any snow/ice.
It's also stupid for people to leave them on all winter if they live any farther North than Pennsylvania; usually because they bought a Subaru or whatever and they'll be fine.These comparisons are just stupid and not even remotely fair, summer tires are already horrible and lose traction in cold weather minus any snow/ice.
This isn’t true. ABS pumps the brakes too fast in snow and ice and is just like locking up the brakes, you will not be able to steer, just slide straight forward.
*Me gets popcorn and reads this hilarious article how amateurs teach more amateur people to drive on snow.
Oh well, I think I have to clean snow from my car, fire it up and drive 100km at work in -27C warm weather (today). On this time I might even wear gloves.
This isn’t true. ABS pumps the brakes too fast in snow and ice and is just like locking up the brakes, you will not be able to steer, just slide straight forward. The other thing people need to keep in mind is to make sure you’re looking where you want to go, not what you would like to not slide into. If you are staring at would you would not like to hit that is where you will end up.
I have no trouble using all-seasons in winter. Never saw the need for dedicated winter tires on any vehicle I have driven.
That's not really the case any more. Unless there's thick snow to pile up in front of the treads ABS will almost always result in a quicker stop than not having it - and give you a degree of steering control during the event. Most modern ABS setups, linked to traction and stability control systems, are better at measuring wheel speed than they used to be too, so won't just needlessly pump the brakes irrespective of traction (or lack thereof).This isn’t true. ABS pumps the brakes too fast in snow and ice and is just like locking up the brakes, you will not be able to steer, just slide straight forward.
This bit is definitely true however. Getting target fixation will never end well, and steering inputs will be smoother and more accurate if you look where you want to go.The other thing people need to keep in mind is to make sure you’re looking where you want to go, not what you would like to not slide into. If you are staring at would you would not like to hit that is where you will end up.
I understand that but the video shouldn't have compared the summer to winter tires in the winter/snow, it should have showed how inefficient summer tires in the winter/snow.But that was my intention, to show that winter tires to beat winter on the road.
It's my fault they're stupid to understand what summer tires are. Let natural selection take its course.It's also stupid for people to leave them on all winter if they live any farther North than Pennsylvania; usually because they bought a Subaru or whatever and they'll be fine.
But they do.
Isn't that what the video shows? The inefficiency of summer tires on snow by comparing it with winter tires. There has to be a reference point to show how inefficient these tires are and the car with winter tires is the reference.I understand that but the video shouldn't have compared the summer to winter tires in the winter/snow, it should have showed how inefficient summer tires in the winter/snow.
You must not live someplace where the winters are significant, or have no idea what's possible with winter tires. Maybe you just do a really good job of not using your car in bad conditions.
Then drivetrain should have been the same and shouldn't be a factor in the test.Isn't that what the video shows? The inefficiency of summer tires on snow by comparing it with winter tires. There has to be a reference point to show how inefficient these tires are and the car with winter tires is the reference.
I'm in the suburbs of Chicago. We see plenty of snow/ice and extreme cold in winter. Never had a problem making it through with regular all-season tires.
That's great. I'm glad that you've never had a problem "making it through". Winter tires are just much safer in those conditions - at least one of those videos compares winter to all season.
I would assume winter tires would perform better in...winter. As I stated before I never felt the need to have them on any vehicle I have driven.
Have you ever driven on winter tires in poor conditions?