4WD/Le Mans Quattro Drag rule of thumb?

[ampire]

Whats the rule of thumb on suspension for AWD cars. I'm working on a Audi Le Mans Quattro


I'm used to FR cars, just started messing with AWD.

 

[CarCzar]

Have been wondering myself A response to this would be sweet.

 

[XSLOANKETTERMAN]

Have been wondering myself A response to this would be sweet.

I'm no Great tuner by any means... But low front high rear with soft shocks in back create awesome launch... As long as you have your gear ratios set right... I have an AVANT that will fly... Could still be faster though...

 

[Slash]

^^^Wrong, hard suspension in the back. This creates a force to be better forced through the suspension, pinning tires to the ground. With soft suspension, you car frame with move down but the soft suspension will prevent it from pinning the tires, therefore losing traction, and creating a slow launch.

 

[mafia_boy]

^^^Wrong, hard suspension in the back. This creates a force to be better forced through the suspension, pinning tires to the ground. With soft suspension, you car frame with move down but the soft suspension will prevent it from pinning the tires, therefore losing traction, and creating a slow launch.

Depends on the car. Each 4WD is different. For example the Veyron suspension won't work on an R35 and vice versa. The Audi R8 likes it a little bit hard but not too much and the ZZII needs to be stiff to keep the little weight it has from transferring.

 

[XSLOANKETTERMAN]

^^^Wrong, hard suspension in the back. This creates a force to be better forced through the suspension, pinning tires to the ground. With soft suspension, you car frame with move down but the soft suspension will prevent it from pinning the tires, therefore losing traction, and creating a slow launch.

Do you have an AVANT? everytime I stiffen my shocks I spin til the rev... Aka hard shocks don't let the car give to settle down on the tires for launch... It just causes terrible wheelspin...

 

[Slash]

@mafia_boy After I posted that I thought about that


Every car is different, but that's the general rule of thumb as far as tuning goes. No car is the same.



Watch the speed you gain. You should get slightly better acceleration. Now to get optimal acceleration is another story.

 

[mafia_boy]

Do you have an AVANT? everytime I stiffen my shocks I spin til the rev... Aka hard shocks don't let the car give to settle down on the tires for launch... It just causes terrible wheelspin...

That's because you have the extra weight to consider in the rear end.

@mafia_boy After I posted that I thought about that

Every car is different, but that's the general rule of thumb as far as tuning goes. No car is the same.

There's a general rule that I gave out the other day.
Front end focuses on speed.
Rear end focuses on accleration.

That's the dumbest way I can break it down. 👍

 

[Slash]

I learned this from my own experience at the track. We should run a few some time mafia. I may not have the best cars but I've got some damn good ones. I've heard some very good things about you and your cars =P

 

[ampire]

Okay guys I screwed around with it and made a tune that will kill any GTR (atleast the ones in the public room I was in) and keeps up with Veyrons for most of the 1/4, I lose by about 1-2 cars lengths to a Veyron (at Indy).

I'll post it tomorrow when I get on the PS3 again. I don't like the whole secrecy thing.

Also my Le Mans Quattro isn't even broken in yet so I think it has serious potential.

 

[Perti78]

Was working a lemans too and was spinning on 1st gear too much, the setting was perfect though, I messed with the toe and everything change, no more spinning and good launch

 

[Perti78]

Okay guys I screwed around with it and made a tune that will kill any GTR (atleast the ones in the public room I was in) and keeps up with Veyrons for most of the 1/4, I lose by about 1-2 cars lengths to a Veyron (at Indy).

I'll post it tomorrow when I get on the PS3 again. I don't like the whole secrecy thing.

Also my Le Mans Quattro isn't even broken in yet so I think it has serious potential.

Great, will wait for it.

 

[ampire]

Man now I feel like a buzz kill here but..., on second thought I'll post just the suspension and the differential stuff. Transmission is up to you guys .

Don't want to see a ton of cookie cutter cars lol.

 

[Perti78]

Man now I feel like a buzz kill here but..., on second thought I'll post just the suspension and the differential stuff. Transmission is up to you guys .

Don't want to see a ton of cookie cutter cars lol.

The gear settings are very personal, but the suspensions settings can help a lot of people. On drag you have to combine the two of them.

 

[ampire]

The gear settings are very personal, but the suspensions settings can help a lot of people. On drag you have to combine the two of them.

Yeah I agree. I think the transmission setting is pretty intuitive if you understand how the game works, this is one of the easiest cars to tune once you figure out the suspension because the car hooks so well.

 

[ampire]

Okay ended up just posting it tonight.

Audi Le Mans Quattro Drag Suspension and Differential setup

Torque Split 40/60
Limited Slip (same for both front and rear)
Initial 50/50
Accel 50/50
Braking 5/5

Ride Height -20/30
Springs 6.0/5.0
Damper Extension 10/1
Damper Compression 1/10
Anti-Roll 4/4

Camber 0/0
Toe 0/.40

Brake Balance 6/4

 

[DLR]

^^^Wrong, hard suspension in the back. This creates a force to be better forced through the suspension, pinning tires to the ground. With soft suspension, you car frame with move down but the soft suspension will prevent it from pinning the tires, therefore losing traction, and creating a slow launch.

Your sorta right. Some cars want hard some cars not so much.

Depends on the car. Each 4WD is different. For example the Veyron suspension won't work on an R35 and vice versa. The Audi R8 likes it a little bit hard but not too much and the ZZII needs to be stiff to keep the little weight it has from transferring.

Exactly. There is a general base tune you can use for AWD cars but to squeeze every last bit of speed, you need to fine tune it.

Do you have an AVANT? everytime I stiffen my shocks I spin til the rev... Aka hard shocks don't let the car give to settle down on the tires for launch... It just causes terrible wheelspin...

Stiffing shocks SHOULD improve off the line speed. Maybe your ride height is messed up...

Okay guys I screwed around with it and made a tune that will kill any GTR (atleast the ones in the public room I was in) and keeps up with Veyrons for most of the 1/4, I lose by about 1-2 cars lengths to a Veyron (at Indy).

I'll post it tomorrow when I get on the PS3 again. I don't like the whole secrecy thing.

Also my Le Mans Quattro isn't even broken in yet so I think it has serious potential.

My Le Mans, not trying to be arrogant, is BEAST

Launches like a GT-R but Traps 158mph. But be no means will I say it is the best. Keeping up with Veyrons? A stock Veyron maybe but if its fully tuned there's no way.

Okay ended up just posting it tonight.

Audi Le Mans Quattro Drag Suspension and Differential setup

Torque Split 40/60- Good
Limited Slip (same for both front and rear)
Initial 50/50
Accel 50/50
Braking 5/5

Ride Height -20/30 - Good
Springs 6.0/5.0- Nope, don't know where you were racing but this isn't the best setup for le mans
Damper Extension 10/1 - Extreme setting will only get you so far...
Damper Compression 1/10 - See above comment.
Anti-Roll 4/4

Camber 0/0 - Good
Toe 0/.40- Meh, could be improved

Brake Balance 6/4

 

[ampire]

My Le Mans, not trying to be arrogant, is BEAST

Launches like a GT-R but Traps 158mph. But be no means will I say it is the best. Keeping up with Veyrons? A stock Veyron maybe but if its fully tuned there's no way.

Thanks for the reply, I am sure your setup is better. I sort of whipped this up without any significant effort or testing and was surprised when it crushed everything else in the drag room.

I doubt the veyrons are well tuned in that room but the GTRs were. They brought out the veyrons because they were stressed that the le mans was winning a lot.

 

[Slash]

Your sorta right. Some cars want hard some cars not so much.

That's what I was thinking after I posted and I was too lazy to edit it into my post. Overall a harder suspension should be used for a base tune. It's how hard the suspension actually is that counts.

 

[Willfred_1]

I generally treat the car as 2 separate axles it helps. This means I can run a 50/50 torque split on my r34 with almost no wheelspin for a torquey awd try starting in second

 

[Slash]

Okay ended up just posting it tonight.

Audi Le Mans Quattro Drag Suspension and Differential setup

Torque Split 40/60
Limited Slip (same for both front and rear)
Initial 50/50
Accel 50/50
Braking 5/5

Ride Height -20/30
Springs 6.0/5.0
Damper Extension 10/1
Damper Compression 1/10
Anti-Roll 4/4

Camber 0/0
Toe 0/.40

Brake Balance 6/4

I'm going to test this and see how well it really works. If it's good, I'll let you guys know. If it sucks, your gonna know about it.

 

[FamousTetsuo]

There's a general rule that I gave out the other day.
Front end focuses on speed.
Rear end focuses on accleration.

That's the dumbest way I can break it down. 👍

Once again. Couldn't have broke it down any easier. Lol.

 

[DLR]

I'm going to test this and see how well it really works. If it's good, I'll let you guys know. If it sucks, your gonna know about it.

Any report?

 

[ampire]

slash, howd it go?

 

[Slash]

Couldn't do it last night. I've got GT5 up right now, so I'm going to input these values. I'll have a full report and review on it within a few hours.


Would have been better if there were transmission settings as well so it could be provided as a base...








UPDATE:



Ok here's what I thought of the overall quality.



Scale (1-10): 8.4
Time: 8.8 seconds
Speed: 158mph
Track: Indy Road Course, 1/4 Strip

Overall the quality of the tune was good. It has it flaws (what tune doesn't) but overall I was impressed by it. It could be better, and with some fine transmission tuning I could probably easily hit 160mph+. This is a good base tune for the Le Mans Quattro. Anyone looking to perfect this car, this is a good place to start. My transmission was nothing special, so I have faith that this car can really move. Good work.


I would definitly recommend this tune to beginners and some pro's if they find themselves lost and need to start over. It can keep up with a Ford GT (No Stripe) that has a decent tune, but not a perfect tune, and it will for sure beat GT-R's and the like.

 

[ampire]

Thanks man. I got it up to 161 (trap speed at the shadow) with my transmission setup but I haven't shared that

I also reduced the two strut extremes that DaLightning mentioned. I think this is a good basic template, and could be worked to different driving styles 👍

 

[Slash]

No problem, well deserved