5 reasons not to consider GT5 the best game in the saga.

[Patruck GT2]

Got a little disappointed after a week of continuous GT5 playing, and wanted to share this view about the game in order to see wheter there is someone else who radically hates this game (without not being able of living without it, of course)

5. Standard models
Yes, I know standard models are a way to put more cars in the game and we may bless the GT4 models recycling, thanks to which we have 1000+ cars and not 200 as in Gt3, but seriously... it took two years to them to realize how they could put custom wheels on them... and they're supposed to be the best programmers in the world. I mean, in GT2 you could put custom wheels on your car, and those weren't definitively Premium Models!

4. DLC
Yes, that awesome period when we all thought about a simulator which updated once in a while in order to always have new cars and so. We dreamt about 10 minutes to get 5-6 new cars in a months, and not of 30 minutes to update the game when it's evening, you come across the PS3 with no idea about what to do and your only wish is racing for less than 5 minutes on Trial Mountain, that 30 minutes only to discover they've added 3 new cars I can't even buy, because they all require real money.

3. Special events & License tests
In the previous chapters, acquiring gold licenses was fun. I mean, when you bought the game you got all the bronze licenses, or maybe some silver ones, and then, after playing a while, you got gold ones. In Gt2 it was relatively easy, apart from that Rome-Night-Alfa155 thing, in Gt4 it was human, in GTPSP extremely simple, in GT5 impossible. I mean, how can I get a gold license when even the CPU demo is slower than the required time? At least show me how you can do it! Some of the test require perfect skill and even more perfect luck: today I spent 15 minutes trying to realize where I had to brake with an Audi TT in the A-1 test, and I got something like 20 attempts under 16.350 before finally going under 16.300. Why?!

2. Loading times
There's no game in the GT saga as slow as GT5. Slowest in loading tracks, unbelievably slow in detecting network problems, slow in everything. There are times I think my ps3 has problems reading the disc, when I remember the content should have been installed on the HDD... why? Why has it to be so slow? When you reach the "Seasonal events" after 5 minutes of unnecessary loading time, you happen to choose the wrong one, only to wait another minute just to load 2 images of the tracks and the data concerning your reward. Not to talk about when you actually select the single race into the event: 30 seconds to load the scenery, and you're stuck for 2 minutes looking at an "Eni" advertisement and the blue sky. Even the loading noises from the cd drive of the Ps1 were more interesting!

1. The PP system
A PP system. What a clever idea! A pity they managed to realize it the worst way they could. My Dodge Viper of the late 90s has got 550pp or little less, while my BMW M3 of year 2004's got 496, and the later is 3 second faster than the former at Tokyo R246. I have a TVR V8s I love to drive: 447PP, enough to be beat by every car in its class. Not to talk about the 430PP of an Alfa Romeo GTA of the 60s... how can I compete Mugen S2000s and similar beasts with 160HP?
There's an unbelievably large amount of this cases, like the 600PP Ferrari F40 or the 516PP Mercedes SL600 (1998), and what's the result? The result is, yesterday evening I joined two different rooms for the 550PP class: saw nearly 15 cars, 11 were BMW M3s, 2 BMW M3 CSL a 350Z maybe and some other non-M3 cars which ended in the last positions. Why is it so stupid? It doesn't care about LSD, suspension tuning and other 1000 things the game includes and PP doesn't.

And all these things come between an amazing moment and another, when your soul is filled with admiration for the spectacular graphics or for your close win after 5 laps of perfect driving. In such moments you're literally in love with the game and you feel you may keep playing for hours... then you say, "Why don't I try that new Seasonal?" ending up in turning the whole thing off after that long waiting and writing here your disapprovement for PD.

 

[mikecustom]

I hate this game too, my reasons

1.- Engine Sounds, Possibly the worst sounding game EVER, Burnout Paradise has better sounds, I'm not joking

2.-Standard Cars, I translate this as "We are lazy and have been doing nothing for the past 5 and a half years"

3.-A.I., pretty obvious really

4.-Car List, 60% japanese crap, seriously??

5.-Overall Presentation and Gameplay, so UI is the worst ever (we already know) actual on-track gameplay is boring as hell, no drama, no sense of speed, so stale, add the crappy sounds and thats enough to either fall asleep or walk away

I seriously believe this is the worst game EVER, no joke.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

1 reason to consider why GT5 is the best game in the saga.

Online racing.

 

[Yauma9]

I think you got a little late to the party.
While it's not the best, it's still acceptable, but GT6 will be crucial defining GT's future, if it's still half-done probably most people will lose faith in the series.

 

[KiroKai]

I think you got a little late to the party.
While it's not the best, it's still acceptable, but GT6 will be crucial defining GT's future, if it's still half-done probably most people will lose faith in the series.

Indeed.
But I don't hate on GT5. I wouldn't be on this website if I would. There are many positives about the game too, like its almost perfect photomode. And it's still the best driving simulation you can get on PS3, mainly because there aren't any serious rivals...

 

[Pupik]

I think you got a little late to the party.

Indeed.

Can we help it if GT2 + GT4 was good enough to play for ten years?

 

[iamsupernasty]

1 reasons to consider why GT5 is the best game in the saga.

Online racing.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

Gt5 blows every other GT game out of the water because of the unlimited replayability. In the past the best I could do was 1 vs 1 races with a buddy, so no matter if the game was "better", it could only provide a limited amount of fun.

 

[ghskilla]

Online racing in GT5 is probably the only reason why I play it anymore.

Leagues can be competitive and fun, or if that's not your thing, why not just join a drifting lobby? Prefer drag racing? No problem! There's probably plenty of drag racing lobbies right now! Why not try cops or road rules lobbies if you're up for cruising? I even went into a soccer lobby, with heavy cars ramming a Fiat 500 around TGTT until it reached the goal. The community is great. Online is what makes GT5 great. Without it, it'd be in my shelf, collecting dust.

I do have some reasons as to why the game isn't the best in the series.

1. Engine sounds
2. Licenses - Back then to get into events you actually had to do them, now it's pointless.
3. DLC - I might just be very cheap, but I don't like the idea of paying for tracks. To be honest, I couldn't care less about the car packs, those can be DLC, because they aren't game changing, but the tracks are, and if you don't have one, you would be left out. This is the same reason I quit BF3 because of "Premium."
4. Car list - I shouldn't really complain about this, but I do agree there could be more diversity in the car choices.

Overall, online gives GT5 replay value over the others in the series, but some flaws just hold me back from being fully dedicated to it.

 

[BWX]

Kaz wrecked GT5 with his inability to concentrate on fixing basic core problems in the game like horribly stupid ai that can't manage grid starts- the solution? Take out grid starts fom GT5? WTF? No, Kaz, fix the stupid ai! We don't want endless ''chase the rabbit'' seasonals and A-Spec from now to eternity.

Oh, another example is stupid simple physics bugs that could be easily fixed, but Kaz wastes time on B-Spec bobtards barbie doll houst play time dress up driving gloves. WTFPD? Why is a car with aero always faster with nose jacked up and tail dragging on ground? Because the ''arrow'' or direction of ''downforce'' pointing toward earth is slightly pointing FORWARD when nose is jacked 2 feet up in the air! Oh, yeah.. that makes perfect sense! WTF KAZ?! Fix this stupid physics aero bug!! What are you waiting for? 2022 and GT8 on the PS5?

The only thing I can conclude from this is that Kaz has never played GT5, and has no idea what it needs to be fixed.

The embarrassingly short and not-fun GT-Life A-Spec career mode is a complete joke in GT5. A total slap in the face to loyal GT fans. Don't even get me startd about the insanity that is ''B-Spec'', the biggest mistake Kaz ever made in GT.

Yeah you have a good point about the whole license test/ XP system farce/ debacle. It even says right in the test that you need to take these tests to race certain races! What the heck? Then there's nowhere in game you need the license? WTFPD?! Looks like A-Spec was unfinished and WAY too SHORT to require license tests for, so ''screw it'', says PD- Instead of properly finishing A-Spec mode creation and testing, we'll just throw out 1/10th of a proper A-Spec mode, and throw a convoluted XP system on top that requires a person to GRIND endlessly on the same races over and over and over and over just to PROGRESS in the game.. Otherwise, A-Spec would be able to be completed in 1 week!

Yeah, it's all adding up to lack of work ethic, lack of imagination, lack of focus, and lack of giving a crap about Gran Turismo and the loyal GT fanbase. Instead we get unfinished, un-fixed, uninteresting, and no fun... no real challenge, only fake ''XP'' grinding and false ceilings (20m cr., 40XP)...

I don't hate Gran Turismo, I love Gran Turismo, what I hate is what Kaz has done to GT5, when it had so much potential to be epic.. instead it falls flat on it's face because someone quit caring about it.. the one person who needed to care, lost interest.. therefore we get the result. A GT that isn't worthy of the GT name, but should and could have been the best GT ever made.

 

[TJC_69]

Got a little disappointed after a week of continuous GT5 playing, and wanted to share this view about the game in order to see wheter there is someone else who radically hates this game (without not being able of living without it, of course)

5. Standard models
Yes, I know standard models are a way to put more cars in the game and we may bless the GT4 models recycling, thanks to which we have 1000+ cars and not 200 as in Gt3, but seriously... it took two years to them to realize how they could put custom wheels on them... and they're supposed to be the best programmers in the world. I mean, in GT2 you could put custom wheels on your car, and those weren't definitively Premium Models!

4. DLC
Yes, that awesome period when we all thought about a simulator which updated once in a while in order to always have new cars and so. We dreamt about 10 minutes to get 5-6 new cars in a months, and not of 30 minutes to update the game when it's evening, you come across the PS3 with no idea about what to do and your only wish is racing for less than 5 minutes on Trial Mountain, that 30 minutes only to discover they've added 3 new cars I can't even buy, because they all require real money.

3. Special events & License tests
In the previous chapters, acquiring gold licenses was fun. I mean, when you bought the game you got all the bronze licenses, or maybe some silver ones, and then, after playing a while, you got gold ones. In Gt2 it was relatively easy, apart from that Rome-Night-Alfa155 thing, in Gt4 it was human, in GTPSP extremely simple, in GT5 impossible. I mean, how can I get a gold license when even the CPU demo is slower than the required time? At least show me how you can do it! Some of the test require perfect skill and even more perfect luck: today I spent 15 minutes trying to realize where I had to brake with an Audi TT in the A-1 test, and I got something like 20 attempts under 16.350 before finally going under 16.300. Why?!

2. Loading times
There's no game in the GT saga as slow as GT5. Slowest in loading tracks, unbelievably slow in detecting network problems, slow in everything. There are times I think my ps3 has problems reading the disc, when I remember the content should have been installed on the HDD... why? Why has it to be so slow? When you reach the "Seasonal events" after 5 minutes of unnecessary loading time, you happen to choose the wrong one, only to wait another minute just to load 2 images of the tracks and the data concerning your reward. Not to talk about when you actually select the single race into the event: 30 seconds to load the scenery, and you're stuck for 2 minutes looking at an "Eni" advertisement and the blue sky. Even the loading noises from the cd drive of the Ps1 were more interesting!

1. The PP system
A PP system. What a clever idea! A pity they managed to realize it the worst way they could. My Dodge Viper of the late 90s has got 550pp or little less, while my BMW M3 of year 2004's got 496, and the later is 3 second faster than the former at Tokyo R246. I have a TVR V8s I love to drive: 447PP, enough to be beat by every car in its class. Not to talk about the 430PP of an Alfa Romeo GTA of the 60s... how can I compete Mugen S2000s and similar beasts with 160HP?
There's an unbelievably large amount of this cases, like the 600PP Ferrari F40 or the 516PP Mercedes SL600 (1998), and what's the result? The result is, yesterday evening I joined two different rooms for the 550PP class: saw nearly 15 cars, 11 were BMW M3s, 2 BMW M3 CSL a 350Z maybe and some other non-M3 cars which ended in the last positions. Why is it so stupid? It doesn't care about LSD, suspension tuning and other 1000 things the game includes and PP doesn't.

And all these things come between an amazing moment and another, when your soul is filled with admiration for the spectacular graphics or for your close win after 5 laps of perfect driving. In such moments you're literally in love with the game and you feel you may keep playing for hours... then you say, "Why don't I try that new Seasonal?" ending up in turning the whole thing off after that long waiting and writing here your disapprovement for PD.

5. Yes it took a while , however they had lots of issues that needed corrected with the game as their hand was forced on an earlier than idea , ( For Polyphony ) release date .
4. Real money ? DLC is optional , and I agree that money is tight for everyone these days , but it's not that expensive at all .
3. The licence tests were , in my opinion , pretty easy to gold . I golded all 60 to lose my data and had to redo half of them . Did them all on a DS3 too , wanted the extra challenge of it despite owning a DFGT .
2. Loading times aren't that long , you're exaggerating there .. If you haven't downloaded to your HDD then there's your answer .
1. Could be the difference in your setup or driving skill perhaps , the PP system isn't 100% perfect but it's a car leveller for sure .

 

[kogunenjou]

Let's not pretend that standard cars are a result of Polyphony being lazy. They're a result of poor planning. The last GT game was on PS2, which had DRASTICALLY less processing power than the PS3. The gap between a GT4 car and a premium GT5 car was just too significant for a simple upscaling to cover up. To bring cars imported from GT4/GT3 into GT5 at the premium level would have been impossible; they would have to have been completely redone. I don't like them either, but the problem isn't laziness.

And no, I'm not referring to OP, rather the first reply.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

1 reason to consider why GT5 is the best game in the saga.

Online racing.

Not everyone cares about online racing. And I find it more of a nuisance than a benefit, and no, I'm not talking about the people online.

 

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[Chrunch Houston]

Not everyone cares about online racing. And I find it more of a nuisance than a benefit, and no, I'm not talking about the people online.

Not everyone cares about offline racing. And do you really think skipping over the Open Lobby button is that big of a nuisance?
The real nuisance is offline racing. No one makes you do an online race, which is not the case for us online racers. We had to race offline to make money to buy cars for online races. And yes I am talking about the stupid AI robots offline.

That is the beauty of this game. It is what you want it to be. If you want to run around the Nurburgring racing robots on comfort tires with no aids, you can. If want to do arcade style racing with real people, you can. I love this game and all the complaining I see about it on these forums will never change that.

Instead of using the Internet to trash GT5, people should use the Internet to get more out of it. It took me several weeks of nightly searching through the open lobby to find a good host with a group of good courteous drivers to race with. No matter what kind of racing you like, believe me, there is a good host out there offering it. You just have to look.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Not everyone cares about offline racing. And do you really think skipping over the Open Lobby button is that big of a nuisance?
The real nuisance is offline racing. No one makes you do an online race, which is not the case for us online racers. We had to race offline to make money to buy cars for online races. And yes I am talking about the stupid AI robots offline.

That is the beauty of this game. It is what you want it to be. If you want to run around the Nurburgring racing robots on comfort tires with no aids, you can. If want to do arcade style racing with real people, you can. I love this game and all the complaining I see about it on these forums will never change that.

Instead of using the Internet to trash GT5, people should use the Internet to get more out of it. It took me several weeks of nightly searching through the open lobby to find a good host with a group of good courteous drivers to race with. No matter what kind of racing you like, believe me, there is a good host out there offering it. You just have to look.

It's a nuisance just trying to find a room with a race I want. If I want to race a specific car for example, rarely do I find a room suitable for it and in most cases I have to give up and settle for something else. What happened to the matchmaking system in Prologue? It wouldn't hurt to have Open Lobby and Matchmaking coexist together in the game. Heck, that's how the manual says the game works. I have limited gaming time, and the last thing I want to do is spend it hunting down a race.

I somewhat disagree that this game can be whatever you want it to. If you play online, it could be easier to have things set up exactly the way you want, given you can find like-minded people. But offline, that's not the case. We can't have any kind of race we want. We can only do what PD has put in the game. It'd be nice to have an event creator where we can select our AI opponent's cars, whether we want a championship or single race, AI difficulty adjuster for Arcade Mode, etc.

Anyway, not trying to start an argument. I just disagree that just because GT5 has online that automatically makes it better than the games before it. Online racing can be fun, and I enjoy it in other titles, but I don't like how it's done in GT5.

 

[TJC_69]

It's a nuisance just trying to find a room with a race I want. If I want to race a specific car for example, rarely do I find a room suitable for it and in most cases I have to give up and settle for something else....

OR ... you could just join a race series on GTP 💡👍

 

[C_Raccoon23]

OR ... you could just join a race series on GTP 💡👍

I have already.

I participated in two Spec Miata racing series right here on this site. They were fun, but it didn't motivate me to look for more online series in the future, find one that interests me and that fit my schedule, find time to practice for qualifying, all for just one race a week.

I just want to jump in and race. I shouldn't have to plan like this when I want to have fun with my game.

 

[Astro-Racer]

Is it November 2010 again? O.o

GT5 is NOT the worst in the saga.

It's physics alone blow all the previous games out of the water. Basically the most important part of a racing sim.

Time to take the rose-tinted specs off and play the old games. They have not aged well.

 

[TJC_69]

I have already.

I participated in two Spec Miata racing series right here on this site. They were fun, but it didn't motivate me to look for more online series in the future, find one that interests me and that fit my schedule, find time to practice for qualifying, all for just one race a week.

I just want to jump in and race. I shouldn't have to plan like this when I want to have fun with my game.

Then set up your own lobby with your specific car in mind and wait for a few people to join . Sooner or later your lobby will be full and because you make the rules , you can have as much fun as you like

 

[Chrunch Houston]

What happened to the matchmaking system in Prologue? It wouldn't hurt to have Open Lobby and Matchmaking coexist together in the game.

I see where you are coming from now. I too missed the ability to watch tv, pause the dvr, and hop into a few quick races, then watch the rest of my show with no commercials. I was a little angry when I saw that GT5 didn’t have that feature. But if you recall, more than half the time, those races were crap.

There are a lot of good hosts that run their rooms at the same time every day. Maybe the mods could pin a thread for hosts to describe their rooms and the times they run in the spot races forum.

 

[sik180sx]

To all the haters......Boo fricken' Hoo.
This game has it's flaws,but what game doesn't?
Me thinks it's time for the peoples who are hating to go play something else.
When you pick any game to pieces it will be broken,as a whole this game is still good after nearly 2 years.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Is it November 2010 again? O.o

GT5 is NOT the worst in the saga.

It's physics alone blow all the previous games out of the water. Basically the most important part of a racing sim.

Time to take the rose-tinted specs off and play the old games. They have not aged well.

Physics don't mean much to me if the game doesn't have a fun career. They're not my #1 priority in a racing game. If I only cared about physics, I would not waste my time on console sims and I would move to PC sims instead.

The old games may not have the best physics, but at least the game progression made sense and worked in a reasonable way, so the games were fun. Can't say the same for GT5. And I'm not wearing rose-tinted glasses either.

I know for a fact, years from now, I will not revisit GT5 when PD finally abandons it, pulls the plug on the online and it no longer has anything worthwhile because the offline potion was neglected.

 

[mistersafeway]

Then set up your own lobby with your specific car in mind and wait for a few people to join . Sooner or later your lobby will be full and because you make the rules , you can have as much fun as you like

Just what I was thinking. People seem to ignore the fact that they can do this: the amount of times I've had somebody join lobbies I was hosting and ask to drive a car that clearly wasn't welcome is ridiculous. The worst part is they always ignore my suggestion that they can make their own, which usually results in a kick (if they still try to drive). I hate having to do that.

 

[Smuttysy]

1 reason to consider why GT5 is the best game in the saga.

Online racing.

Problem one: Random disconnects and massive lag.

Online is missing a mass of options that would make your point more valid, such as wider specification of vehicle category restrictions, years etc. I also find that online is the lazy way out of any game programming these days, "we've exhausted our creativity, so we'll make the customers make the game interesting for us" The sole reason for gt5's survival is the online system, depite it's huge flaws. Without this millions of copies of this game would have been in the trash for a while.

 

[Patruck GT2]

3. The licence tests were , in my opinion , pretty easy to gold . I golded all 60 to lose my data and had to redo half of them . Did them all on a DS3 too , wanted the extra challenge of it despite owning a DFGT .
2. Loading times aren't that long , you're exaggerating there .. If you haven't downloaded to your HDD then there's your answer .
1. Could be the difference in your setup or driving skill perhaps , the PP system isn't 100% perfect but it's a car leveller for sure .

For the license test, don't know why but I seriously find them annoying. I mean, last week I took GT4 and in 10 minutes I got the first 5 golds of the A license, some of them 1st try, and even in Gt5 some of the challenges (eg AMG - Nurburgring) are easy, as you easily get silver at least at the first try. It's only the linceses, I think I'm not the only one to find them difficult.

I downloaded the game on the hard disk when it was new; it is a quite slow game, but it would admittedly be tolerable if the network features didn't slow it down so much. I happen to have some network problems sometimes, and the games takes 2+ minutes to load and tell me I can't log in.

The PP ranking is undefendable. I mean, I admit I'm not a fast driver, but the problem is, with my own driving two cars, one 500PP another 550PP have comparable performances, with 500PP being a little faster than 550 one. There are a lot of cars which should be given higher amount of PP to be used in online racing, for example heavy ones, such as Mercedes 600SL (1998). I've spent some time tuning it up, and it went quite faster than it used to with stock settings, but still an M3 with 500PP (The SL is 516) is faster with stock settings. And they both aren't difficult cars to drive, so even thinking about every possible driving mistake, their performances shouldn't be so.
Have you ever seen a Viper in online racing? An SL600? An Audi RS4 wagon? A TVR V8S? These are many of the cars I tried racing online without any result. Not a good driver, but I won some races with an M3, so I'd say, there are cars which have too great PP, and they are too much, so that for each PP class you'll rarely see a really wide range of models.

 

[OHM_fusion]

I agree except two things:
1. license tests are a bit too easy, you seem to want to make them even easier.
2. You are surprised to pay money for DLC? Really? Funny how people want Forza style DLC every month but want it for free.

 

[Pit Crew]

I see where you are coming from now. I too missed the ability to watch tv, pause the dvr, and hop into a few quick races, then watch the rest of my show with no commercials. I was a little angry when I saw that GT5 didn’t have that feature. But if you recall, more than half the time, those races were crap.

There are a lot of good hosts that run their rooms at the same time every day. Maybe the mods could pin a thread for hosts to describe their rooms and the times they run in the spot races forum.

^ This. I also online race every night after work and league event on weekends. I run with the same group every night for bout 2 years. so im always around good company.
Friends (real friends) IMO make the difference online

 

[sdf]

1 reason to consider why GT5 is the best game in the saga.

Online racing.

Online in general is the cancer of this generation.
Online ruined almost every games off-line experience.
Instead of focusing making a game better and longer, they just add online and that solves everything... add to the equation DLC and there you have it.

 

[BJBEOSmitty]

GT5 is a brilliant game. It's a shame however, tragic even, that so many people who are not satisfied with potions of the game are apparently being forced to play it on a regular basis.

 

[Tommy_861]

Online in general is the cancer of this generation.
Online ruined almost every games off-line experience.
Instead of focusing making a game better and longer, they just add online and that solves everything... add to the equation DLC and there you have it.

I wholeheartedly agree. Don't get me wrong, I've been online gaming since the early 90's, and its fun. But theres something to be said for good AI and a good story, something that has been lacking. Back in the day Add-on packages would add more storyline missions, now add-ons are just more multiplayer stuff (skins, maps, cars, tracks, etc).

In GT4 the single player game felt like It had all this nice progression and different things to do. In GT5 it felt like some tacked on events to give you something to do when you weren't playing online. Contrast that to some other PS3 driving titles like Dirt 2, Grid, Shift and Shift 2 (even tho the driving model in S2 sucks) etc, or PC games like Race 07, theres a whole ton of single player stuff to do, and leaderboards related to it. Online is there, but if you never played it you're not missing anything.