911 identity help

[cudwieser]

Came up behind a classic 911 yesterday on the way home from work. I was about 3 cars behind at a busy junction and hadn't time to look for badges.

All I can give are:

Classic shape
circa 1970's
Air cooled
Flared arches
Pre-Turbo
Can't recall a tail, but that's not to say it didn't have one
Fuchs alloys

I suspect a carerra but as I said, didn't see the badges. The only decal I saw was a gold Porsche decal down the side against a creamy white body (bloody sexy).

Any and all suggestions would be appreciable as google is a minefield right now and I can do with a human touch on this one. Thanks

 

[TexRex]

https://911evolution.com

 

[cudwieser]

Seems somewhere between the 2.7 and 3.2. It is closest to the SC, but I'm still amiss. Thank you for the link Tex Further ideas are very welcome

 

[TexRex]

Seems somewhere between the 2.7 and 3.2. It is closest to the SC, but I'm still amiss. Thank you for the link Tex Further ideas are very welcome

You're very welcome, but when it comes to identification, particularly with a car such as the 911 (perhaps only a "classic" Beetle or Mini would be more difficult), it's difficult to do much without seeing it or an incredibly detailed description.

 

[Conquerer]

Flared arches? Perhaps it could've been, as rare as they are, a Singer Porsche?

http://singervehicledesign.com/

I can only imagine seeing one of those beauties driving down the road in person.

 

[TexRex]

Flared arches? Perhaps it could've been, as rare as they are, a Singer Porsche?

I'm not in the business of bursting bubbles, but I have the nagging suspicion that "flared arches", in this instance, refers to the wider production alternative to the narrow cars.

 

[cudwieser]

I'm not in the business of bursting bubbles, but I have the nagging suspicion that "flared arches", in this instance, refers to the wider production alternative to the narrow cars.

Flared arches? Perhaps it could've been, as rare as they are, a Singer Porsche?

http://singervehicledesign.com/

I can only imagine seeing one of those beauties driving down the road in person.

I'm inclined to go with Tex here. It isn't without possibility but something screams classic as Northern Ireland isn't a hot bed for the rare and new, more used classics. Having said that singer did jump to mind at first but sime of the dimensions, such as the size of the wheels seemed off, but you never know. If could have been a unicorn I'd seen

 

[Gotbeefboy564]

Probably a targa?

Or like this coupe

 

[kikie]

Came up behind a classic 911 yesterday on the way home from work. I was about 3 cars behind at a busy junction and hadn't time to look for badges.

All I can give are:

Classic shape
circa 1970's
Air cooled
Flared arches
Pre-Turbo
Can't recall a tail, but that's not to say it didn't have one
Fuchs alloys

I suspect a carerra but as I said, didn't see the badges. The only decal I saw was a gold Porsche decal down the side against a creamy white body (bloody sexy).

Any and all suggestions would be appreciable as google is a minefield right now and I can do with a human touch on this one. Thanks

I think you are describing a Singer.

 

[SPhilli911]

I doubt it was a Singer. There are many normal 911s that fit that description, but without more details, it's hard to say.

Could be anything. Start mixing and matching bumpers then you can't really place the year of the car. Did it have "accordion" bumpers? How flared are we talking about with these fenders? Wide body?

Based on your description, I'd say it was a 2.4 Carrera

or 2.7 depending on the bumpers.

 

[TheCracker]

It could also quite easily be a modified 911 of any vintage too. Large scale modifying of 911's to look like versions from a different era isn't a new craze invented by RWB or Singer. When i was in LA in '95 i saw several specialist bodyshops that were taking dozens of early 911's and modifying them to look like more contemporary G50 or 964 cars. It seems unthinkable today that someone would destroy a classic 911 to make it appear newer, but i guess at that time their values were such that it didn't matter. The one place i saw literally had dozens of early narrow arched pre-federal bumpered 911s being de-chromed and having the wider arched panels welded on along with the longer bonnets and front valences being replaced with Carrera-era versions.

 

[cudwieser]

I doubt it was a Singer. There are many normal 911s that fit that description, but without more details, it's hard to say.

Could be anything. Start mixing and matching bumpers then you can't really place the year of the car. Did it have "accordion" bumpers? How flared are we talking about with these fenders? Wide body?

Based on your description, I'd say it was a 2.4 Carrera

or 2.7 depending on the bumpers.

closer to the 2.7

It could also quite easily be a modified 911 of any vintage too. Large scale modifying of 911's to look like versions from a different era isn't a new craze invented by RWB or Singer. When i was in LA in '95 i saw several specialist bodyshops that were taking dozens of early 911's and modifying them to look like more contemporary G50 or 964 cars. It seems unthinkable today that someone would destroy a classic 911 to make it appear newer, but i guess at that time their values were such that it didn't matter. The one place i saw literally had dozens of early narrow arched pre-federal bumpered 911s being de-chromed and having the wider arched panels welded on along with the longer bonnets and front valences being replaced with Carrera-era versions.

This is probably the case, but an inking suggests it was a porsche job, but even porsche has a habit of specials. It was a complete looking car, so whoever dressed it up really knew their parts.

 

[McLaren]

White body with a gold Porsche logo essentially rules out Singer, I'd say. Looking at their commissions, plenty of white examples, but none with a gold Porsche logo on the side.

 

[Vegard]

'74 Carrera RS 3.0

 

[cudwieser]

'74 Carrera RS 3.0

Close. Lose the tail (possibly for a smaller duck tail) and slighly narrower arches (not much narrower though. Add a 'Porsche' decal in the same place and you're there (also the car was a more off white, but that's by the by)

Good find Mac

 

[20832]

Close. Lose the tail (possibly for a smaller duck tail) and slighly narrower arches (not much narrower though. Add a 'Porsche' decal in the same place and you're there (also the car was a more off white, but that's by the by)

Good find Mac

With what you're describing there, it could actually very well be a Singer

Or maybe something like a Carrera 2.7 RS?

 

[cudwieser]

It wasn't the singer in the pic but the arches are similar. I'm near certain it wasn't the 2.7 carerra, maybe a less obvious, slightly later model or a spec'd out model from the same generation.

 

[kikie]

It was no 930 (you said it yourself that it was pre-turbo) and this Porsche had flared arches which means that it is either a Singer or a modified 911. There was no 911 from that era that had flared arches unless I misunderstand the "flared arches" part.

 

[Sage Ages]

I don't think this is it given the rarity but I'm just gonna throw this out there: Carrera RSR 2.8?

Could also be a replica or restomod of some sort. I find it interesting how so many people insist Singer when those are much wider than what the OP is describing.

 

[TenEightyOne]

It was no 930 (you said it yourself that it was pre-turbo) and this Porsche had flared arches which means that it is either a Singer or a modified 911. There was no 911 from that era that had flared arches unless I misunderstand the "flared arches" part.

I think you are misunderstanding - "flared" isn't necessarily extreme... and there were indeed models of that era that had flared arches. Laaide?

 

[TexRex]

I find it interesting how so many people insist Singer when those are much wider than what the OP is describing.

Hip new thing.

 

[McLaren]

With what you're describing there, it could actually very well be a Singer

That would be one helluva of a spot if it was the Singer DLS car!

Cud, without getting too personal, what region of the world are you in? Europe, US, Asia? Could help us narrow a bit as there are other companies getting into the resto-mod game with Singer. The UK has Paul Stephens and the US has Guntherwerks for example.

Also tagging @Stotty as he's an expert on Porsches.

 

[20832]

That would be one helluva of a spot if it was the Singer DLS car!

I'd freak out so much to see one in flesh!

 

[kikie]

I think you are misunderstanding - "flared" isn't necessarily extreme... and there were indeed models of that era that had flared arches. Laaide?

You see, I was right. I did misunderstand. Laaide, past tense of laaien≠ flame in this context.

 

[cudwieser]

No you didn't. You've all been very helpful. I'm a little too aware of false memories so didn't really want

That would be one helluva of a spot if it was the Singer DLS car!

Cud, without getting too personal, what region of the world are you in? Europe, US, Asia? Could help us narrow a bit as there are other companies getting into the resto-mod game with Singer. The UK has Paul Stephens and the US has Guntherwerks for example.

Also tagging @Stotty as he's an expert on Porsches.

HOW DARE YOU ASK SUCH THINGS. Only kidding It was on the Glencregagh Rd in Belfast, Northern Ireland, heading the direction of the camera in the link. I didn't actually spot it until the end of the road. Have a nose to see how brave that driver was

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.5...66Y8_eaQYxXwJ-86O2_Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

 

[SPhilli911]

'74 Carrera RS 3.0

55 of these were built, the chance of seeing one on the road is slim to zero.

 

[McLaren]

Not Ireland, but this car has been spotted in the UK a few times. Normally seen with Monaco plates unless it's changed hands, but it was spotted in Bicester at a car show.

Digging through, I found Singer did make something close to a white/gold accents. It has an European plate I can't identify.

 

[cudwieser]

The bottom one is about the closest. I suspect the owner of the one I saw was an NI native as the road being driven isn't a main or widely known route for travelers

 

[TexRex]

Digging through, I found Singer did make something close to a white/gold accents. It has an European plate I can't identify.

Norway, it seems.

 

[kikie]

Too late kikie.

DP is probably from Oslo. That is what I found but was too late posting this information. @TexRex beat me to it.