A few intermediate pointers please...

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ANTthePANT79

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ANTthePANT79
Heya peeps...

So, I got a DF GT on the weekend and started drifting with it, I'm having a blast and am getting better all the time... There are a few small things I am struggling with though...

1. Maintaining speed through long bends... e.g. Tsukuba, last turn, I go in 3rd gear at about 120km/h and get the back out and countersteer slightly, all goes well until half way through where I lose my speed and the back starts coming around too much and my cornering angle tightens...
--- Is this a setup issue? I'm not sure as I have no problems with slower bends... Is it a driving issue? I bet this is where it is, and this is prolly where I need the advice...

2. The other thing that I am havign trouble with is changing angles on S bends... When I change over I have to be very careful because my car snaps over very quickly and if I don't catch it quickly then I oversteer horribly! I have to be very gentle when swapping direction so as to avoid this... Now this I am sure is a setting thing, but you guys tell me...

My car is a Mazda RX7 Spirit R Type A '02 with the following settings:
Fully upgraded except for a stage 2 Turbo, not 3
Gears max speed 260km/h
LSD 5-55-55
Ride Height: F -15 R -10
Springs: F 6.5 R 8.5
Damp Ext: F 4 R 5
Damp Comp: F 3 R 4
Roll Bars: F 3 R 4
Camber: F 2.5 R 0.23
Toe: F -0.08 R 0.00

Any help would be appreciated... I have a replay, but I am not sure how to get it to youtube, perhaps someone could point me to a thread that tells me how to do this?
 
Avoid the FD, not nice to learn on a wheel. I used the Rx-7 FC, a very nice car, especially round Tsukuba.

When learning I ran it completely stock with a basic LSD tune, try 5,30,30.
 
Thanks, but the car really isn't the problem because I do it with my 240SX, Silvia S14, 350Z, pretty much all my cars... And they all set up pretty much the same...

So I think it's something I am doing wrong or setting up wrong... Anyone got any tips?
 
BkS
Check the Beginners Guide. It's got some really useful tips and tricks. :)
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Not much help in there, all that stuff I have mastered already...

twitcher
A guy just wrote a summary of his experience of switching from DS3 to a 900' G27. His OP has lots a good advice, and helpful insight. Here's the link:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6985768#post6985768
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This guy has some good advice, and I am applying it... I suppose it boils down to more practice... I'll keep at it!

Frustrating though as I used to be an awesome drifter with my DFP in GT4, but I am a complete noob now, hahaha...
 
ANTthePANT79
Heya peeps...

So, I got a DF GT on the weekend and started drifting with it, I'm having a blast and am getting better all the time... There are a few small things I am struggling with though...

1. Maintaining speed through long bends... e.g. Tsukuba, last turn, I go in 3rd gear at about 120km/h and get the back out and countersteer slightly, all goes well until half way through where I lose my speed and the back starts coming around too much and my cornering angle tightens...
--- Is this a setup issue? I'm not sure as I have no problems with slower bends... Is it a driving issue? I bet this is where it is, and this is prolly where I need the advice...

2. The other thing that I am havign trouble with is changing angles on S bends... When I change over I have to be very careful because my car snaps over very quickly and if I don't catch it quickly then I oversteer horribly! I have to be very gentle when swapping direction so as to avoid this... Now this I am sure is a setting thing, but you guys tell me...

My car is a Mazda RX7 Spirit R Type A '02 with the following settings:
Fully upgraded except for a stage 2 Turbo, not 3
Gears max speed 260km/h
LSD 5-55-55
Ride Height: F -15 R -10
Springs: F 6.5 R 8.5
Damp Ext: F 4 R 5
Damp Comp: F 3 R 4
Roll Bars: F 3 R 4
Camber: F 2.5 R 0.23
Toe: F -0.08 R 0.00

Any help would be appreciated... I have a replay, but I am not sure how to get it to youtube, perhaps someone could point me to a thread that tells me how to do this?
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Quick question.... what tires are you using? Anything over comfort med. you will start to grab traction and lose speed on long bends (i.e. the last corner at Tsukuba) Changing tires might help your "snap-back" problems as well.
 
a while ago I was having the same trouble with alternating on S sections,
same thing you said, the back comes around too quickly on the 2nd 3rd or 4th one,

so like a month ago my technique would be just like: I brake into the corner and ease open the counter steer while i'm braking,
then I rythmicly press the gas to maintain that angle as best I can,

if I need to increase my angle I'd give the wheel a good mash towards straight, or if I need to increase the radius of my corner, I mash the gas and open the counter steer wider

My trouble was when I go to do an S section this wouldn't be a good method because my only method for exiting the drift at that time would be to like slowly close the counter steer while also giving less gas, then let off all the controls a moment to let the car settle. before accelerating to the next corner (tsukuba)

for an S section, it would seem to me you have to really visualize your front wheels and where they are driving, try to keep them from sliding at all.

maybe try: as normal you go fast, start braking, countersteering, tap the gas some, then, while countersteering and let go of the gas, the car should like *snap*(into a deathspin, drawn to the magnets behind the guard rails right?), BUT right before it does, just let go of the wheel and let it spin 360 and then grab it and tap the gas real light and see if that doesn't work to get you at least started on flip-flopping stylishly through the squiggly sections =)

sometimes when I get to like the 3rd or fourth of alternating drifts on one of my toscana tracks, the angle gets to big so one corner maybe I wont use the gas until i've killed some speed just silding in the entry for a sec.

also, do you have a clutch?
sometimes when I reallllllly intended to be drifting but I just slowly understeering to my inevitable demise, I found out a few weeks ago that all you have to do is put the clutch in and out while giving 3/4 throttle and it will get the angle to start growing, even if it isn't as fun as the braking drift
 
Nismo34
Intremediate tips from a 12 year old who drifts a veyron on Racing softs and doesnt know what a AE86 is... Riiiiiight...
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Better tips then you gave, mate?

MyFC
a while ago I was having the same trouble with alternating on S sections,
same thing you said, the back comes around too quickly on the 2nd 3rd or 4th one,

so like a month ago my technique would be just like: I brake into the corner and ease open the counter steer while i'm braking,
then I rythmicly press the gas to maintain that angle as best I can,

if I need to increase my angle I'd give the wheel a good mash towards straight, or if I need to increase the radius of my corner, I mash the gas and open the counter steer wider

My trouble was when I go to do an S section this wouldn't be a good method because my only method for exiting the drift at that time would be to like slowly close the counter steer while also giving less gas, then let off all the controls a moment to let the car settle. before accelerating to the next corner (tsukuba)

for an S section, it would seem to me you have to really visualize your front wheels and where they are driving, try to keep them from sliding at all.

maybe try: as normal you go fast, start braking, countersteering, tap the gas some, then, while countersteering and let go of the gas, the car should like *snap*(into a deathspin, drawn to the magnets behind the guard rails right?), BUT right before it does, just let go of the wheel and let it spin 360 and then grab it and tap the gas real light and see if that doesn't work to get you at least started on flip-flopping stylishly through the squiggly sections =)

sometimes when I get to like the 3rd or fourth of alternating drifts on one of my toscana tracks, the angle gets to big so one corner maybe I wont use the gas until i've killed some speed just silding in the entry for a sec.

also, do you have a clutch?
sometimes when I reallllllly intended to be drifting but I just slowly understeering to my inevitable demise, I found out a few weeks ago that all you have to do is put the clutch in and out while giving 3/4 throttle and it will get the angle to start growing, even if it isn't as fun as the braking drift
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Thanks for the advice mate, although, I have long since overcome this problem... :) I was sure it was down to the tuning and it was... After carefully reading Boundry Layers GT4 FR Drift Guide, I got my tunes perfect and the drifting just came from there... Check my vids in the vid section you'll see what I mean... Not perfect or anything by a long shot, but drifting none the less... :)
 
ANTthePANT79
Better tips then you gave, mate?
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I dont have a wheel, so I cant exactly give much advice for a wheel, the only thing I can really say is practise practise practise... If it were DS3 advice, I may have been a bit more use there...

Also, Bks, Godfrey and Twitcher have some good advice. They are also really good drifters so they'd probably be the best to listen to...
 
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=57146
Suprised I don't see this link at all on this forum. This guide taught me to drift on GT4 so it should be good to teach people on GT5. Like Nismo I only have a DS3 but the message is the same: get lots of practice and get talking to people in lobbys about their wheel and how they learnt to use it.
 
ANTthePANT79
Heya peeps...

So, I got a DF GT on the weekend and started drifting with it, I'm having a blast and am getting better all the time... There are a few small things I am struggling with though...

1. Maintaining speed through long bends... e.g. Tsukuba, last turn, I go in 3rd gear at about 120km/h and get the back out and countersteer slightly, all goes well until half way through where I lose my speed and the back starts coming around too much and my cornering angle tightens...
--- Is this a setup issue? I'm not sure as I have no problems with slower bends... Is it a driving issue? I bet this is where it is, and this is prolly where I need the advice...

2. The other thing that I am havign trouble with is changing angles on S bends... When I change over I have to be very careful because my car snaps over very quickly and if I don't catch it quickly then I oversteer horribly! I have to be very gentle when swapping direction so as to avoid this... Now this I am sure is a setting thing, but you guys tell me...

My car is a Mazda RX7 Spirit R Type A '02 with the following settings:
Fully upgraded except for a stage 2 Turbo, not 3
Gears max speed 260km/h
LSD 5-55-55
Ride Height: F -15 R -10
Springs: F 6.5 R 8.5
Damp Ext: F 4 R 5
Damp Comp: F 3 R 4
Roll Bars: F 3 R 4
Camber: F 2.5 R 0.23
Toe: F -0.08 R 0.00

Any help would be appreciated... I have a replay, but I am not sure how to get it to youtube, perhaps someone could point me to a thread that tells me how to do this?
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I think I see your problem. Its your setup, your rear ride height is way to high compared to the front. Either try, (F -15, R -15) OR (F -13, R -15). This will correct your oversteer, which you clearly have too much of.

Also, what tune is that? I looks a little off, compression looks too soft and the rear springs look a little stiff compared to the front.
 
ANTthePANT79
Heya peeps...

So, I got a DF GT on the weekend and started drifting with it, I'm having a blast and am getting better all the time... There are a few small things I am struggling with though...

1. Maintaining speed through long bends... e.g. Tsukuba, last turn, I go in 3rd gear at about 120km/h and get the back out and countersteer slightly, all goes well until half way through where I lose my speed and the back starts coming around too much and my cornering angle tightens...
--- Is this a setup issue? I'm not sure as I have no problems with slower bends... Is it a driving issue? I bet this is where it is, and this is prolly where I need the advice...

2. The other thing that I am havign trouble with is changing angles on S bends... When I change over I have to be very careful because my car snaps over very quickly and if I don't catch it quickly then I oversteer horribly! I have to be very gentle when swapping direction so as to avoid this... Now this I am sure is a setting thing, but you guys tell me...

My car is a Mazda RX7 Spirit R Type A '02 with the following settings:
Fully upgraded except for a stage 2 Turbo, not 3
Gears max speed 260km/h
LSD 5-55-55
Ride Height: F -15 R -10
Springs: F 6.5 R 8.5
Damp Ext: F 4 R 5
Damp Comp: F 3 R 4
Roll Bars: F 3 R 4
Camber: F 2.5 R 0.23
Toe: F -0.08 R 0.00

Any help would be appreciated... I have a replay, but I am not sure how to get it to youtube, perhaps someone could point me to a thread that tells me how to do this?
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.do you ever drift with your accelerator all the way pressed? Because if you don't it's something that is required of you. for the longer corners change a gear up to extend the drift and then back down to shock the car into controllability and stop it from spinning out. hard to explain but easy to do with practice. good luck

also rear maybe to high, just go -15(f) & -13 (b)
and toe could be increased as it helps sometimes.
 
Run your front end about 10mm higher than the front, I'd just drop the back by 10mm leave the front at stock height. Then put your springs at 10.x in the front and 6.x in the back. I usually run 10.5 and 6.5. Dif at 5/60/60 to help out too. That should help a good amount since it helped me a ton. I was a decent drifter running settings like you had then when I set my car up like that, I was being complimented and asked to join crews within a few days of practice.
 
Nismo34
Intremediate tips from a 12 year old who drifts a veyron on Racing softs and doesnt know what a AE86 is... Riiiiiight...
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^_- guess sarcasm is a little tough to communicate via text, though I thought that it was outrageous enough that everyone would know who I was talking about.
I'm not literally the 12 year old in the veyron, but we've all met him in one lobby or another hahahahah
 
MyFC
^_- guess sarcasm is a little tough to communicate via text, though I thought that it was outrageous enough that everyone would know who I was talking about.
I'm not literally the 12 year old in the veyron, but we've all met him in one lobby or another hahahahah
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:lol: Riiiight.. My bad... I guess lack of sleep + sarcasm over text really doesnt go too well... So Sorry :lol:
 
Anyway,
so for a stock car or a properly-tuned upgraded car, seems like it all comes down to hands and feet : It's allllll in the hips, it's allllllll in the hips.

as far as tuning goes, maybe some of the really good drivers could throw in a few words about WHY they tune what they tune how they tune it.

me(not uber-l33t driver), I like a roughly 60-40 weight distribution FR moderately upgraded, I lower it roughly 20mm with the rear slightly higher and sprung slightly stiffer.

I put 1 notch lower compression on the front so that it will accept the weight under braking, and I put the extension 1 higher in the back so ensure it extends promptly.

I put no more than 2 degrees camber in the front and 1 in rear, give or take about a half degree.

I always change the toe from 0,20 to -10, 10

does that all seem reasonable? why or why not?
 
Thanks for all the tips guys, but I kinda figured it all out this weekend... :)


jrkiwiboy
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=57146
Suprised I don't see this link at all on this forum. This guide taught me to drift on GT4 so it should be good to teach people on GT5. Like Nismo I only have a DS3 but the message is the same: get lots of practice and get talking to people in lobbys about their wheel and how they learnt to use it.
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I used this in GT4 as well and found it again in GT5 now... Best drifting resource ever!!! This is actually what solved all my problems this weekend... Progressively tuning my car to drift helped my drifting out alot... I can hold smooth drifts and balance the car nicely...

My new fave is my 66 AC Cobra... Look here for 2 vids of me drifting it... :)

Setup is now:
Gear - Max Speed 300 and 2nd gear 2.218

LSD - 10 40 20

Ride - -20 -20
Springs - 5.8 4.2
Damp E - 4 4
Damp C - 4 4
Anti Roll - 2 4

Camber - 2.5 0.5
Toe - 0.00 0.20

Brakes - 5 5

It's smooth and stable, but a beast to drift as the power is maddness... But super fun!
 

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