A few questions about GT on the PS4

[HoneyBadger]

Will the long load times be a thing of a past?

Will the game be rendered in full 1080p and run at a full 60 FPS even in cockpit view?

 

[dr_slump]

Will the long load times be a thing of a past?

Most likely yes, although you can't get rid of all loading times. The PS4 should be clearly faster in this category.

Will the game be rendered in full 1080p and run at a full 60 FPS even in cockpit view?

1080p is a sure thing, but nobody knows if it will run at 60fps or just 30fps. We'll see...

 

[Foxiol]

Will the long load times be a thing of a past?

Will the game be rendered in full 1080p and run at a full 60 FPS even in cockpit view?

Yes because the BlueRay drive is x3 faster than the previous in the PS3, than alone will make everything load faster. Also not sure yet which HDD or type of storage the PS4 will have. Current HDD works at 5400rpm but regular PC ones works at 7200rpm.

The most common thing in the upcoming generation is to see games running at 1080p and in the case of GT games the frame rate is important so expect to see 60FPS again.
Games such as Killzone Shadow Fall run at 1080p and 30FPS for example, but it is not a racing game, in racing games the frame rate depends in other factors as the number of cars on track and stuff like that.

The GPU works at 1.84 T.Flops and equals to an HD7850 and has more T.Flops than my current GTX560Ti (1.42) and far more memory GDDR5, mine has 1GB and the PS4 will have 8GB shared with the CPU and working totally different of course.

If my GPU can run games with all filters at 1080p at 60+ FPS the PS4 should do so. Also it depends in the fidelity and the way they want to make the graphics look, for example my GPU struggles with Crysis 3 because of the higher resolution textures and tons of filters...you always need to cut here and there in that aspect to make the game run properly even by having "enough power to run the games"

Also the CPU is not the best but it is good enough for the tasks, a quad core with x86 -64bit architecture, like any PC but with a GPU integrated in it.

The amount of memory can be good for HQ textures, shadows and stuff like that, most of the flaws in the graphical aspect of GT5.

Also one thing to have in mind, the PS4 will have a secondary chip to work with other stuff like stream or upload your recorded games while playing so it won´t be an issue for the main CPU while you play.

With that amount of advantages if GT6 won´t run at 1080p and 60FPS it will be a crime.

 

[Nismo34]

Doesnt GT5 run at 1080p 60fps so logic would dictate that so does GT6?

 

[daus26]

Doesnt GT5 run at 1080p 60fps so logic would dictate that so does GT6?

It's not that simple. The increase in performance isn't linear, it would have to be exponential.

Basically, GT on the PS4 would have to require much more textures, lighting, physics, shadowings, anti-aliasing, and all that cpu/gpu intensive tasks, if it doesn't want to look like a PS3 game.

If we're talking about running PS3 games in 1080p/60fps, then yes the PS4 could easily do them.

Also, GT5 isn't fulh 1080p HD btw. It's more like 1280X1080. Just pointing it out.

 

[PAPPACLART]

As above but load times will be hugely faster if the PS4 comes shipped with an SSD. I hope it does but unlikely.

 

[daus26]

SSD, highly unlikely, especially if Sony wants to keep costs down. Plus, there was mention of a huge hard drive, so no, no SSDs.

I think we'll at least have the option to install one ourselves though, just like the PS3.

 

[dr_slump]

Current HDD works at 5400rpm but regular PC ones works at 7200rpm.

5400rpm HDDs are very often used in PCs.

Games such as Killzone Shadow Fall run at 1080p and 30FPS for example, but it is not a racing game, in racing games the frame rate depends in other factors as the number of cars on track and stuff like that.

Replace cars with enemies... what do you get?

Also the CPU is not the best but it is good enough for the tasks, a quad core with x86 -64bit architecture, like any PC but with a GPU integrated in it.

It's not a quad core, it's an octo-core cpu. And no, the GPU won't be integrated in the CPU. It's going to be on the same die, but not in the same microchip.

With that amount of advantages if GT6 won´t run at 1080p and 60FPS it will be a crime.

Who says that it's going to be for the PS4?

 

[20B_4ME]

Too bad GT6 is coming out on the PS3, so we will have to wait another two years at least for GT7 to come out on the PS4.

 

[PletdeKoe]

On both questions we can awnser:No! Gt6 is not goung to be released on Ps4.

Also loading times will be shorter if they program ut to be shorter. Gt4 has faster loadig times then gt5. Better hardware makes loadingtimes shorter when the game is the same. But a completely new game has completely new loading times. Wether they will be faster then gt5, who knows.

The same can be said about the image quality. It depends what the want it to be.

 

[Articuno]

Too bad GT6 is coming out on the PS3, so we will have to wait another two years at least for GT7 to come out on the PS4.

That's not confirmed, and it might've just been a slip of the tongue. Both PD and Sony haven't released statements afterwards confirming that.

 

[Tired Tyres]

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1236062-cli...=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

That is not a slip of the tongue. He is a Senior Vice President and that has never been retracted.

The only response from Sony, days and days later, was to confirm that PD had started work on GT6 in 2010.

Hopefully they'll do like Project Cars and release on both systems.

 

[IceMan PJN]

Too bad GT6 is coming out on the PS3, so we will have to wait another two years at least for GT7 to come out on the PS4.

No, it will be much longer than two years. I expect a half-decade gap to the next-gen incarnation.

 

[Tenacious D]

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1236062-cli...=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

That is not a slip of the tongue. He is a Senior Vice President and that has never been retracted.

Just to paraphrase from another post of mine, that doesn't mean anything conclusive.

In the fall of 2009, Jordan himself was shown documents by SONY officials stating that GT5 was going to be for sale in the holiday 2009 lineup, just weeks away, and given the okay to post an article stating that. Something like this had to be approved by Top Levels. For whatever reason, maybe the ill-received damage build, it didn't happen, and within weeks, Jordan had to post a retraction which caused quite a global uproar.

Mr Denny's remarks could be a slip of the tongue, or it could be a calculated "leak." With Microsoft's new Box most likely coming this year along with Forza 5, gaming politics and tactics should come as no surprise. And why not torpedo enthusiasm about your competitor, while having the gaming world buzzing over your own flagship title? We likely won't know for sure until E3, which is just a month and a half away. This kind of buzz is a huge boon for SONY, as they benefit greatly from gamers and journalists ravenous to know any scrap of detail about PS4, and GT6 no matter what system it's out on.

Bottom line, GT6 will be released on one - or both - systems, though I think a dual release is unlikely, even as popular as that idea is. We'll know something in about six weeks.

 

[Foxiol]

5400rpm HDDs are very often used in PCs.

5400rpm HDD´s are commonly used in laptops because generates less temperature.

Replace cars with enemies... what do you get?

Both games works in sandbox environments but both uses different techniques and way different amount of post processing and other level of detail.

Also structures in a sandbox environment "eats" a lot of resources as well, as shadows, reflections, lights/lighting, you need to put cubemaps everywhere for every little details etc...in a racing game that is not needed.

Is not the same at all. Shooters are more demanding than racing games overall speaking.

It's not a quad core, it's an octo-core cpu. And no, the GPU won't be integrated in the CPU. It's going to be on the same die, but not in the same microchip.

I know, it is an APU, right? It is a CPU/GPU integrated in the same chip.

Who says that it's going to be for the PS4?

Well I said GT6 but I meant to say GT alone, the guy asked about a GT game in the PS4, not GT6, I know. lol

 

[dr_slump]

5400rpm HDD´s are commonly used in laptops because generates less temperature.

And? Laptops are no PCs? Therefore Desktops are no PCs either, right?

Also, most of modern eco drives work at about 5400rpm. And I wouldn't call it unusual to find 5400rpm drives in average PC builds. Calling 5400rpm HDDs irregular is not right.

But of course, 7200rpm HDDs are pretty much standard for desktops which are used for gaming, unless the use of SSD is preferred.

Both games works in sandbox environments but both uses different techniques and way different amount of post processing and other level of detail.

Also structures in a sandbox environment "eats" a lot of resources as well, as shadows, reflections, lights/lighting, you need to put cubemaps everywhere for every little details etc...in a racing game that is not needed.

Just because it's usual, doesn't mean it couldn't be done different. What happens if you add rubber which detaches from tyres, moveable murbles, leaves, wind, living environment, detailed car damages with parts and particles flying all over the place, shadows, waving grass/trees, moving 3d spectators, reflections on car/rims, animated animals, visualized hot air effects, loose gravel/dirt/dust, animated drivers, glowing brakes, water reflection, animated water, flies, exhaust flames, aa/af, etc SHALL I LIST MORE? I can, no problem.


Why is it needed in a shooter? It's nice to have, but needed? A counterstrike as very popular PC shooter doesn't need that many effects, but it's still highly esteemed by lots of people and a big number in e-sports.
Elementary question: Does a racing game or shooter need to look good before it can possibly have a good gameplay?

Is not the same at all. Shooters are more demanding than racing games overall speaking.

The developers define how demanding a game will be, not the game or genre itself.

 

[steve30x]

5400rpm HDDs are very often used in PCs.

Its a lot more common to use 7200rpm HDD's in computers especially when they are used for gaming and some people use Western Digital VelociRaptor HDD's that spin at 10000rpm

When was it announced GT6 was going to be on PS4?

 

[PepeMickey]

That's not confirmed, and it might've just been a slip of the tongue. Both PD and Sony haven't released statements afterwards confirming that.

One can only dream for so long, all of the info we've gotten so far aims at a PS3 release, only speculation and theories aim at a PS4 release, nobody from Sony, PD or any online retailer or major gaming site has ever talked about GT6 on PS4, ever. All that has been talked about was a ''GT Prologue'' on PS4 and it came from only one source which wasn't Sony/PD related.

You have to wake up and face the truth.

 

[dr_slump]

Its a lot more common to use 7200rpm HDD's in computers especially when they are used for gaming and some people use Western Digital VelociRaptor HDD's that spin at 10000rpm

Did I really say anything else?

The raptors have no significance in comparison.

When was it announced GT6 was going to be on PS4?

I already asked the same question and it got answered.

Well I said GT6 but I meant to say GT alone, the guy asked about a GT game in the PS4, not GT6, I know. lol

 

[Tenacious D]

One can only dream for so long, all of the info we've gotten so far aims at a PS3 release

"All" the info we've gotten so far is one blub in a list of titles that might have been erroneous.

Once again, GT6 may well come out on PS3 - it could also solely come out on PS4 or both, but we don't know anything, and may not until SONY's E3 conference.

 

[PepeMickey]

"All" the info we've gotten so far is one blub in a list of titles that might have been erroneous.

Once again, GT6 may well come out on PS3 - it could also solely come out on PS4 or both, but we don't know anything, and may not until SONY's E3 conference.

I agree that E3 will be the time where everything is going to be sorted out and if we don't, then I don't know what SONY/PD want to accomplish by not saying anything but honestly most of the ''leaks'' are on the PS3 side and the AC4 statement was 100% correct afterall so this guy knows what he is talking about.

I don't really care on which system it gets released, I won't be buying a PS4 until I see a price drop and games that make it worth it, who knows, that might be until a Slim version gets released anyway. Obviously a PS3 release is very convenient for most of us but in the meantime I'll stick to Forza and the NextBox, they've proven that they do things better and faster without too much fooling around. I just wish Microsoft wasn't so greedy.

 

[daus26]

That's what I feel too. I can't help but notice that the momentum is all on the PS3's side, and personally it started after DriveClub's announcement. If there was no DriveClub, we'd all be focused on GT6 as the racing game to start the generation. As of now, I don't see Sony wanting to start the generation of the PS4 with two racing games. Michael Denny's comment, Sony's response, and two well known online retailer leaks didn't help either. Plus, there were several tracks and locations shown from the NSX/Corvette trailer in PS3 quality that we' haven't gotten for GT5. There was also some survey leaks mentioning the combination of a GT6 PS3/Vita combo for crossbuy, and for all we know crossbuy is only known to be valid among PS3 games and Vita only, not PS4.

When Sony quoted the Kaz statement about the development of GT6 already in play in 2010, to me, it basically says that the game is pretty much already announced, even if it's not officially at an event or press release. So it's not a matter of an announcement anymore if we already know GT6 is already in development. All that's left is the release info. So like most games that's already announced, releasing the launch date for the game 6 months before isn't too far fetched... and retailers actually do get info as early as half a year on release schedule.

Anyway, my thoughts is that if 2013, it's PS3, if 2014 or later, obviously PS4. I don't see GT6 as launch for PS4 and I certainly don't see cross gen for GT6 if it's not going to be release simultaneously, or close to each other.