Amazing, The Things You Can Learn!

[nd 4 holden spd]

You know, Ive been playing GT4 for a long time, and until now I've been very quick around the track, but as if to prove the game's limitless capabilities I've learnt a new style of cornering (not to do with racing line) which makes me incredibly faster and I'm hoping I can use to increase tyre and fuel economy! (haven't had a chance to test it) You see, this new style can be used at different levels of speed, it can be very easily toned down or up depending on the situation, man I love this game. It's a bit like magnetic ride control suspension, you can have one level for happy, no stress cruising and one level for hard core racing. Ahh the posibilities........
Btw, I aint sayin what the style is, some people will laugh coz they already knew it.

 

[Kent]

Well,
I'm happy to hear you have something that works.
However, if that style is "drift" then I suggest you take this to the drift forum.
Let me know so I can move the thread if needed.

Also, to let you in on the biggest secret ever... If it is drift you claim to be faster then it just means you weren't driving right in the first place!

 

[OZZYGT]

..... laugh COZ they ......

Almost an overall good post.

Nah... I'm kidding man. I know how you feel; I felt the same way when I started playing GT4, since it was the first game that I bought from the series.

Stick around and you'll find many activities that will extract your GT4 experience to the maximum.

One of them, the OLR (on-line racing) forum.





Ciao!

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well,
I'm happy to hear you have something that works.
However, if that style is "drift" then I suggest you take this to the drift forum.
Let me know so I can move the thread if needed.

Also, to let you in on the biggest secret ever... If it is drift you claim to be faster then it just means you weren't driving right in the first place!

She be right, it aint drift, even if it was, that would be lots worse on tyres. To think I been playing since GT1 and can't drift in GT4........very well.

 

[Fat Boy Drifter]

Also, to let you in on the biggest secret ever... If it is drift you claim to be faster then it just means you weren't driving right in the first place!

Whats wrong with drifting?! It is possible to drive faster drifting around a track. It just depends on the car and tires.

 

[CRXnut]

Yeah I remeber the time I discovered "slow in - fast out" technique :-)

As far as drifting - I believe that a slide before the apex could help but powerslides out of the turns are just good for show (and bad for tires)

 

[S!Lpheed]

I'm getting ready for my first autocross myself, and if it weren't for this game, I wouldn't know any braking skills OR a racing line. About drifting, it really is tough in this game but I'm also glad I learned the correct way to race.

 

[Dave A]

Whats wrong with drifting?! It is possible to drive faster drifting around a track. It just depends on the car and tires.

Yeah it's faster to drift a Viper GTS around Trial mountain than it is to grip drive a Mini One, that's kind of obvious, but to race a Viper GTS properly. It shouldn't have a chance. There is a reason race drivers are taught to not lose grip because it slwos you down, drifting requres loss of grip. Using the maximum available grip from your ttyre's and from the surface is the fastest way to drive, not exeeding it. On a loose surface the grip is constanly changing the surface is moving so the techniques required to tackle it change. The only situation I can see where drifiting is faster than grip driving on a road surface would be if your car understeerd far too much, be it due to the setup or the tyre's or whatever, but only if the car understeered too much (and I do mean too damn much) should kicking the back out help. However I am also aware that GT4 is not perfect so there may well be instances I've never experienced in the game where for some strange reason (much like the increased downforce sometimes increasing top speed) drifing might be just as quick or quicker. But it shouldn't be.

 

[S!Lpheed]

I've learned something from drifting, countersteering and that's mega important in any race. Countersteering is what you use to get your grip back.

 

[Scaff]

I've learned something from drifting, countersteering and that's mega important in any race. Countersteering is what you use to get your grip back.

No, reducing your tyres slip percentage and/or angle (by backing off the throttle, reducing your speed and/or reducing steering lock) is what gets your grip back, countersteering stops you ending up in the armco when you are doing it.

You are right that countersteering is important (but arguably you should do all you can to avoid getting in a situation that you need to do it) as a part of the recovery process, but by itself it doesn't get your grip back.

Regards

Scaff

 

[CJ350]

well, with a rear or mid engine car, tapping the brakes and setting the rear out a hair does speed up your times...

 

[S!Lpheed]

No, reducing your tyres slip percentage and/or angle (by backing off the throttle, reducing your speed and/or reducing steering lock) is what gets your grip back, countersteering stops you ending up in the armco when you are doing it.

You are right that countersteering is important (but arguably you should do all you can to avoid getting in a situation that you need to do it) as a part of the recovery process, but by itself it doesn't get your grip back.

Regards

Scaff

Well I learned all of that too. It all happens at the same time. If you didn't use countersteering while controlling the throttle, you'd spin out. There's some cases where the steering wheel can't save you but it generally is needed.

 

[Fat Boy Drifter]

There is a reason race drivers are taught to not lose grip because it slwos you down, drifting requres loss of grip. Using the maximum available grip from your ttyre's and from the surface is the fastest way to drive, not exeeding it. On a loose surface the grip is constanly changing the surface is moving so the techniques required to tackle it change. The only situation I can see where drifiting is faster than grip driving on a road surface would be if your car understeerd far too much, be it due to the setup or the tyre's or whatever, but only if the car understeered too much (and I do mean too damn much) should kicking the back out help.

Have you ever heard off Keiichi Tsuchiya? Back in the day he was famous for his drifting technique in grip racing. He used an AE86 when he raced.

 

[Wolfe]

Have you ever heard off Keiichi Tsuchiya? Back in the day he was famous for his drifting technique in grip racing. He used an AE86 when he raced.

Yes, everyone's heard of Keiichi Tsuchiya, and yes, we all know he used to "drift" an AE86 in an amateur racing series.

The fact of the matter is that at the time, tires were nowhere near as advanced as they are today, and some amount of tire slip was nearly unavoidable on certain corners. Also, his AE86 wasn't very powerful, so the conservation of momentum that drifting can (but doesn't always) provide helped him overcome his rivals' more powerful cars on a select few parts of tracks.

I understand that you like drifting, and find it exciting, but the fact of the matter is that almost all of the time, it's slower. Say, 95%-99% of the time if you're talking about dry pavement only. An easy way to look at it is like this -- the only time drifting is faster is when you have to slow down so much in order to maintain grip (whether it's due to weather/road/tire conditions or the curve of a particular corner) that allowing your tires to lose traction and intentionally sliding through the corner is simply faster anyway. That's why you'll see "drifting" in rally racing and such, but never in ALMS or F1.


Oh, and by the way, in an interview with Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson for Clarkson's "MotorWorld" series, Tsuchiya said that the only reason why he drifted back in the day was to give the spectators something interesting to watch, because he was such a good driver that everyone already knew he was going to win. So there you go.

 

[Duke]

You know, Ive been playing GT4 for a long time, and until now I've been very quick around the track, but as if to prove the game's limitless capabilities I've learnt a new style of cornering (not to do with racing line) which makes me incredibly faster and I'm hoping I can use to increase tyre and fuel economy! Btw, I aint sayin what the style is, some people will laugh coz they already knew it.

If you're convinced you were 'very quick' before and now you're 'incredibly faster', may I suggest you hop into the Weekly Race Series (WRS) GTP sponsors here on the Online Racing board. Then you can try your new style out against people who give 'very quick a whole new level of meaning.

 

[GT Pro]

The scary thing I once experienced when it comes to drifting vs. grip racing definately changed my view towards the matter. It was on El Capitan, I was driving an LMP at the time with around 1,100 hp and ran lap after lap for half an hour. After obtaining a fairly good time I decided to take one 'fun run' around the track by attempting to navigate the course using only the handbrake. To my amazement, I actually beat my time via handbraking around corners rather than the in-out-in, out-in-out method. Though, the way I was using the corners needed little weight-shifiting, unlike drifting.

Just my two cents, but there will no doubt be many a controversy over whether there is more to drifting and powersliding than first thought.

 

[German wunderkind]

I discovered a formula for explaining everybody's place in the universe but i will not tell

 

[OZZYGT]

Thank God you won't

Please stay on topic next time you post.





Caio!

 

[Famine]

I've learnt a new style of cornering ... which makes me incredibly faster and I'm hoping I can use to increase tyre and fuel economy!


Btw, I aint sayin what the style is, some people will laugh coz they already knew it.

So... the point of this thread is what? You've found something out, and have made a thread to say you've found something out and aren't telling anyone...

Throw me a bone here. Why shouldn't this be locked?

 

[daan]

Psssst. Brake. Turn. Accelerate.

👍

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Alright, let's keep some critics happy eh? When I used to race (I have ds2) for me there were three kinds of travelling, full brakes full acelerating and coasting. I've now learnt how to effectively use partial acceleration and partial braking so I can effectively hold higher speeds through corners, not to mention gaining all the more grip, (therefore not sliding) and saving tyres. I would love to race in the online series but I checked it out a while ago and I think I didn't have the right gear to participate. I had broke some lap records on the sight, but once again didn't have the right equipment to prove it so who cares? If I don't give reason to believe there should be no reason for people to be expected to believe right?

The purpose of this thread I guess was that even after years of playing GT series, you can always find something new and exciting proving the depth and excellence of the games, and also I was so excited I found a way to be quicker than I used to be that I just had to tell someone.

Like I said, I didn't tell anyone because a lot of you are now laughing thinking this guys a stupid idiot.........didn't mean to rile up anyone.

 

[Casio]

I'm bored, so if you like I'll give you a race. And I'll take your word for it.

Give me a car/track combo, and we'll test your new, lap record beating, cornering technique against someone who has done a WRS race or two.

 

[Scaff]

Like I said, I didn't tell anyone because a lot of you are now laughing thinking this guys a stupid idiot.........didn't mean to rile up anyone.

No one is laughing at you because you have reached a point of starting to use partial throttle and brakes, one of the single most common mistakes people make on racing/driving games is to treat the throttle and/or brake as if it were an on/off switch (and one of the reason a lot of people switch to the right thumb stick or a wheel and pedal set).

I think you will find most people are a little more puzzled by the manner in which you posted this, almost as if you had a secret that you wanted to brag about, but would not share. All this has done is draw attention to you, however if you had posted a thread simply discussing the use of part throttle and brakes and what a major difference it had made to your driving you would have found a lot of people who could empathise with you.

As far as kit goes for the OLR series, you have most of what you need already (as in a PS2, copy of GT4 and a PC with an Internet connection) all you need in addition is a copy of ARMax (around £10) and a USB Data-stick (around £15 if you don't already have one).

Regards

Scaff

 

[Grayman222]

I need to get better technique at high powered race cars. I'm good with stock street cars that i normally drive but when I put a minolta or r8 on R3/R2s(or lower) it takes a lot of laps to learn to drive a track.

 

[Speedy Samurai]

So the new thing you learned... is how to drive properly.