Amnesia?

[milefile]

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to Develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great Deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face. - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983. - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively tothe threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs. - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process. - Rep. Nancy
Pelosi(D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies. Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

There is no doubt that .. Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a illicit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies. - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and Threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them. - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. - Al Gore, Sept 23, 2002

We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and Developing weapons of mass destruction. - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons... - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security. - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction. -Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, Every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show That Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons - Sen. Hillary Clinton(D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

 

[High-Test]

Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Without Question? He sounded pretty sure right there..... But John Kerry has been asking lots of them lately. His whole campaign stands on saying the war is wrong. He just defeated the very core of his campaign.

 

[Arwin]

Remind me again of the point of this?

 

[milefile]

Remind me again of the point of this?

If your response had been first the sarcasm may have come accross better. But Menglan already discovered the point. And he's only fifteen.

 

[Arwin]

Let's put it this way ... please remind me again why it is allowed to compare the situation before the UN Inspectors were readmitted into Iraq to that of after, please remind me again what information John Kerry was shown by whom, and please remind me again what would have happened if Kerry hadn't supported your government once the decision was made to give the president this mandate (imho the word that you'd now have used would begin with a 't' rather than with an 'f').

 

[milefile]

Every person quoted has accused Bush of lying about the weapons.

 

[Arwin]

And why would that be, you think? Because they trusted him and now feel betrayed, perhaps?

 

[milefile]

By Bush? They all had the same information from the same places. If they all feel betrayed then Bush should feel betrayed, too. There's also the fact that weapons were not the only reason for the war. And then there's also the fact that the inspectors report, just released a couple weeks ago, states flatly that there was overwhelming evidence that Saddam had every intention of creating an arsenal of unconventional weapons, that he was actively working toward it, and that he would had to have been taken out, regardless.

So how did Bush betray anyone?

 

[High-Test]

I'm going to print out the post I made earlier. It proves that the bush campaign is totally justified in calling Kerry a flip flopper.

If anyone should feel betrayed, It's the people who believe this misfit senator who talks out of his ***.

 

[Gil]

As has been said about the "hnorable" Mr. Kerry.
Bush is the only one that had trouble preparing for the debates.
Kerry doesn't support any one view. He supports them all and has the tendency to be as clear and understandable, and reliable as the reports of release dates for GT4.

 

[ledhed]

Anybody hear about a movie/ documentary called "Stolen Honor " ? unlike at michael Moores movie this one has kerry supporters causing civil disturbances and in Jenkintown Pa. tonight the movie house cancelled the showing because of it. I'm watching the news tonight and I see guys and women in thier 50's fighting and posturing like kids after highschool..people , people can't we get along..hehehe cripes whats the world comming to with violent democrats ! hehehehe..they didn't even sing koombaya ! politics in America...its better than pro 'rasling....ummmm I think ? Maybe..?

 

[Arwin]

As has been said about the "hnorable" Mr. Kerry.
Bush is the only one that had trouble preparing for the debates.
Kerry doesn't support any one view. He supports them all and has the tendency to be as clear and understandable, and reliable as the reports of release dates for GT4.

Let's not discuss the fact then that a certain U.S. president was opposed to just about any U.S. involvement abroad only 4 years ago. He even opposed action in Kosovo.

And wasn't the problem Kerry had with Iraq not that we had to do something about it, but that he wanted to go in there with the U.N.?

 

[ledhed]

What president would that be or are you going by a dream you once had ?

 

[Arwin]

George W. Bush while running for president four years ago.

 

[milefile]

Let's not discuss the fact then that a certain U.S. president was opposed to just about any U.S. involvement abroad only 4 years ago. He even opposed action in Kosovo.

Another example of unilateral millitary action... by a liberal Democrat! *gasp*

And wasn't the problem Kerry had with Iraq not that we had to do something about it, but that he wanted to go in there with the U.N.?

Maybe. Nobody knows for sure.

 

[ledhed]

Bush said Clinton bungled his kosovo actions and he is 100 % right. Clinton did too little too late in kosovo and in Somalia he totaly screwed up . In fact Clinton did very little right accross the board in his foriegn policy descisions. His taste in women is VERY suspect ...I mean LOOK at them. You would think the big guy could do much better. He did manage to survive impeachment and I would much rather go have a beer with him than G .W. .

 

[milefile]

I'm pretty sure Bush doesn't drink.

 

[Duke]

...any more. As we all know, he's unfit to be president because he got a DUI in Texas 25 years ago. Except he didn't, because the Men In Black neuralized the Texas DMV - all of them - so they forgot.

 

[ledhed]

can you see Kerry hangin out in the back yard having a beer and some barbaque ? No ? Me niether. See that , another reason not to vote for the stiff.
I could see Clinton or Bush having a good time chasing down some ribs with a cup of suds.
kerry is more a whine and cheese guy. Now thats the best reason not to vote for Kerry he would make a good French dude.

 

[Arwin]

can you see Kerry hangin out in the back yard having a beer and some barbaque ? No ? Me niether. See that , another reason not to vote for the stiff.
I could see Clinton or Bush having a good time chasing down some ribs with a cup of suds.
kerry is more a whine and cheese guy. Now thats the best reason not to vote for Kerry he would make a good French dude.

I'm pretty sure hanging out and having a beer is one of those skills you're guaranteed to pick up, if not during already during training, then certainly after active duty. On the other hand, as said before Bush even after 25 years may still have second thoughts on having a beer (in the family it's still an issue).

But don't look at me for judging anyone on these matters. Alcohol makes few people more interesting or fun, unless you're a fan of the circus. I'd prefer if people would just stay sober and develop a sense of humor instead.

 

[milefile]

So did the Christian Women's Temperance Union.

 

[ledhed]

Arwin take it easy. I was being sarsastic.

 

[Arwin]

Arwin take it easy. I was being sarsastic.

Well then it looks like (either) one of us needs to take that previous last sentence of mine to heart.