Any reason not to buy a Toyobaru?

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My brother is looking to get a car for daily driving and fun while he keeps his Tacoma for projects and things. He found a good FR-S at 19,995 and can afford it. I know it's what everyone wants for cheap RWD fun, but is there really anything bad about it? He's not a family of four so there's that. And between Subaru and Toyota, which manufacturer is better?
 
And between Subaru and Toyota, which manufacturer is better?
I'd say the Subaru is probably the better option in this scenario. Supposedly the BR-Z has better suspension that both rides smoother and has better handling when you push it.
 
Then he should look long and hard about whether he can put up with a peaky and buzzy engine with a humongous, have-to-downshift-twice torque hole smack dab in the middle of highway speeds. He needs to drive it more than anything anyone else can tell him.

I'd say the Subaru is probably the better option in this scenario. Supposedly the BR-Z has better suspension that both rides smoother and has better handling when you push it.


They also tended to be equipped better.
 
Care to elaborate?
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Guess what RPM you are at in 5th and 6th gear at highway speed.
 
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Guess what RPM you are at in 5th and 6th gear at highway speed.
Okay? Can you lose the attitude though? He's not doing autocross or anything and at those speeds if the engine is using less power than you're saving on fuel. What's the problem?
 
No one should ever give up a Toyota Tacoma.

Also as far as I know the Toyota and Subaru versions are pretty similar but the Subaru is the nicer of the two to drive.
 
Okay? Can you lose the attitude though? He's not doing autocross or anything and at those speeds if the engine is using less power than you're saving on fuel. What's the problem?
You won't be saving fuel if you are trying to pass someone and have to floor it to get the engine into a part of the RPM range at which the engine is responsive and more powerful at. You also won't be saving fuel if you downshift into a different gear to get into a more responsive and powerful part of the RPM range either.
 
Okay? Can you lose the attitude though?
What attitude? You asked if there was anything wrong with them. I asked what he would use it for. I told you why that might not be the best car for his uses. I literally cannot explain it any simpler than a dyno graph.


If you already knew the answer you wanted, you shouldn't have made a thread.

He's not doing autocross or anything and at those speeds if the engine is using less power than you're saving on fuel. What's the problem?
The problem is the car has no power to give in fifth or sixth gear at highway speeds. All the throttle does is add noise. If he spends most of his time at highway speeds and is used to how is truck drives, it might not be to his liking. If he was planning on autocrossing it or taking backroads all the time it would probably be a much more enjoyable car for him.


Hence "He needs to drive it more than anything anyone else can tell him."
 
Surprised to hear the Subaru being decreed the more fun of the pair - typically in the UK people think it's the other way around, though in reality unless you drive them back-to-back you'd not be able to tell either way.

The Subaru is set up a bit firmer at the front and a little softer at the rear, and vice-versa for the Toyota (and I imagine the FR-S). So you get a little more turn-in precision from the Subaru, but the Toyota's back end is slightly more mobile.

But overall... both are quite firmly set up. Both are very nicely balanced indeed. Both have great steering. Both can feel just a little edgy sometimes on the standard low-grip tyres. Both have one of the best driving positions of any modern car. Both have a slightly naff interior. Both have the torque dip (which I'm led to believe is fixable with a few tweaks). Both should be fairly economical by most standards - last time I tested the 86 I averaged 30mpg imperial (25mpg US) but that included a significant proportion of fairly hard driving. I think to and from the test it had done nearer 40mpg UK (33mpg US), and in steady highway driving it'd probably do a little more.

In other words, test drive to see if it'll do the job, and buy whichever one is cheaper or closer and in the best condition. Or whichever one you prefer the badge of.
 
Reasons to not own a rear-wheel-drive Subaru Impreza:

- Everyone has one
- Torque Dip of Ultra-Death
- Other sports cars exist that you may not have tried yet
- The WRX exists
- Michelin Primacy HPs are Prius tyres and therefore the Devil Incarnate™
 

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