ATi's new AGP fleet

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Sapphire RADEON X1600 PRO 256MB DDR2 AGP 8X - in stock
http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/prod...CPDR7TCN8P41B7

ATI RADEON X1300 PRO 256MB DDR AGP 8X - in stock
http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/prod...CPDR7TCN8P41B7

ATi RADEON X1600 PRO 512MB DDR AGP 8X - not in stock
http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/prod...CPDR7TCN8P41B7

ATI Radeon X1600 Pro AGP 512MB DDR3 - not in stock
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=321351

VisionTek XTASY Radeon X1300 AGP 8X 512MB DDR2 - not in stock
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=327007

ATI Radeon X1300 Pro AGP 256MB DDR2 - not in stock
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=321353

ATI Radeon X1300 Pro AGP - coming soon
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4077344

ATI Radeon X1600 Pro AGP - coming soon
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4077342

First Nvidia makes the 7800GS, then ATi strikes back with a whole series of new cards.
Rumors have it the X1800 are coming soon too.

Where i got this from: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33842503
 
There has been talk for months that XFX, are trying to get ATi to make an AGP version of the X1800.
 
toyomatt84
AGP sucks. Why bother with it?
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Word.


It's nice having compatibility with these high-end cards, but anybody that buys these cards is most likely a gamer, and gamers will and have move on to PCI-E. I need to get a PCI-E setup sometime in the near future. AGP just bottlenecks the holy living hell out of these beautiful cards because there just is no room for data transfer in AGP, even 8x.

P.S: You f'd up the ZipZoomFly links. try not putting the shortened verisons in :rolleyes:
 
MachOne
P.S: You f'd up the ZipZoomFly links. try not putting the shortened verisons in :rolleyes:
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And you wonder why people always argue with you. Try being more courteous next time.
 
MachOne
Word.
AGP just bottlenecks the holy living hell out of these beautiful cards because there just is no room for data transfer in AGP, even 8x.
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AGP isn't really that much worse. It could take maybe about 10 fps, when the fps are into 3 digit numbers.
 
RobcioPL
Why bother posting? AGP does not suck, and its not dead. PCI i dead. PCI-E is a bit better than AGP, but why make stupid posts?
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It's not nessicarily (sp? sorry :P) stupid. PCI-E is faster than AGP. And seeing as AGP is going to get dumped off sometime in the next year (especially when Vista comes out), there's no point. Heck, my dad just got me a 32MB NVidia GeForce MX200 to use in buidling a spare computer for a relative and I said "This is a PCI card, how cna I use this?". I'm talking, a pretty up to date computer, nice mobo and all, with a 32 MB Video card. AGP Bottlenecks cards that were originally designed for PCI-E. It's like putting an Xbox 360 game on a PSX, it's not going to be as good, and it's probably never going to sell after about a year.
 
RobcioPL
Why bother posting? AGP does not suck, and its not dead. PCI i dead. PCI-E is a bit better than AGP, but why make stupid posts?
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PCI is not dead, sorta. It can be used for more than just a graphics bus, and apparently PCI-E is no good for things such as soundcards. That's why Creative chose to keep going with PCI for their new X-Fi cards. AGP, on the other hand, is solely a graphics bus. And now that something bigger and badder has come along (PCI-E), its no longer needed.

AGP = dead. End of story.
 
Shannon
PCI is not dead, sorta. It can be used for more than just a graphics bus, and apparently PCI-E is no good for things such as soundcards. That's why Creative chose to keep going with PCI for their new X-Fi cards. AGP, on the other hand, is solely a graphics bus. And now that something bigger and badder has come along (PCI-E), its no longer needed.

AGP = dead. End of story.
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Its not dead. PCI is dead for graphic cards. How can AGP be dead if new cards are still coming out? Exactly. Just because there is something better, does not mean AGP has to be dead. You see what im saying? People will still be buying AGP for another 2 years or so. Once vista comes out, most people will start switching, slowly.
 
Quit thinking you're always right. It's very obnoxious. Saying "Exactly." before anybody answers is the most egotistical crap I've ever heard.

PCI Isn't dead. You never said, at first, in terms of graphics cards only. PCI is NOT dead. PCI is actually THE most popular bus (Soundcards, Video Cards, USB Cards, LAN Cards, Ethernet Cards, Modems, Wirelesss Cards, etc.). AGP is used solely for video cards and isn't even used for much of that any more since PCI-E is becoming the video card standard now. AGP hasn't made as many sales as PCI-E has in the past 6 months by a long shot. AGP is slowly dying my friend, sorry to tell you.
 
RobcioPL
Why bother posting? AGP does not suck, and its not dead. PCI i dead. PCI-E is a bit better than AGP, but why make stupid posts?
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I bothered, because AGP is a waste of money. No matter how many new cards come out for it, it's still completely restricted by it's bus speed. Therefore....... wait for it....... Not a stupid post. 💡 :rolleyes:
 
RobcioPL
Its not dead. PCI is dead for graphic cards. How can AGP be dead if new cards are still coming out? Exactly. Just because there is something better, does not mean AGP has to be dead. You see what im saying? People will still be buying AGP for another 2 years or so. Once vista comes out, most people will start switching, slowly.
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Because they need to keep non-PCI-E users happy. If they stopped making AGP cards, AGP users would be left way back with the (crappy) GeForce FX series while PCI-E users zoom along on 7800GTXs.

And because PCI-E isn't very well supported on motherboards yet (I think there's only two or three chipsets with PCI-E support at the moment), they need to make some money from the vast amount of users still running AGP who don't want to build a whole new computer, just to update their video card.

nVidia made PCI versions of their FX series of cards, even though AGP was all the rage at the time. Why? To keep their sales up, even though PCI graphics were clearly dead. Just like ATI will continue to make AGP cards until PCI-E is what the vast majority use.
 
MachOne
Quit thinking you're always right. It's very obnoxious. Saying "Exactly." before anybody answers is the most egotistical crap I've ever heard.

PCI Isn't dead. You never said, at first, in terms of graphics cards only. PCI is NOT dead. PCI is actually THE most popular bus (Soundcards, Video Cards, USB Cards, LAN Cards, Ethernet Cards, Modems, Wirelesss Cards, etc.). AGP is used solely for video cards and isn't even used for much of that any more since PCI-E is becoming the video card standard now. AGP hasn't made as many sales as PCI-E has in the past 6 months by a long shot. AGP is slowly dying my friend, sorry to tell you.
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We are talking about graphic cards, so PCI in not in the talk. I mentioned PCI because it "was" used for graphic cards, now its dead. AGP maybe dieing, but that doesnt mean its sucks.

I never said we werent talking about GPUs? Look at my first post, its commom sense............
 
RobcioPL
I never said we werent talking about GPUs? Look at my first post, its commom sense............
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Density, density, density.

Why am I bothering?

Why bother posting? AGP does not suck, and its not dead. PCI i dead. PCI-E is a bit better than AGP, but why make stupid posts?
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You said PCI was dead for GPU's only....where?
 
RobcioPL
Post 10, first or second sentence. So whats with the attitude, pal?
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Ouch, Mach.

Anyways. AGP is going to die out. The only reason that AGP cards are still coming out is for the above stated reason that companies don't want to piss off their customer base. PCI-E is the way to go, graphics wise. By the end of the year I would be surprised to see any new, high end, AGP graphics cards still being produced. I'm definately regretting going with AGP for my graphics card when I built my system 8 months ago.
 
RobcioPL
Post 10, first or second sentence. So whats with the attitude, pal?
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I was replying to the attitude you copped before replying to Shannon.

So, what's up with your attitude pal? Do you not like somebody saying AGP is dead? Does that offend you greatly?
 
MachOne
I was replying to the attitude you copped before replying to Shannon.

So, what's up with your attitude pal? Do you not like somebody saying AGP is dead? Does that offend you greatly?
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Nice come back, really nice, if you would have read every post, then maybe you wouldnt argue. AGP is LESS used, not dead, but there is still more people with AGP boards, looking for AGP cards. The other 30% do upgrade to PCI-E, but not everyone has the money to replace there motherboard, or they dont have the intelligence. You see what im saying?
 
Robcio:

It wasn't a comeback, it was a simple fact. Comebacks are for verbal fights.

You said PCI is dead. Wrong, at least by your standards. It's just less used. I know a small population of people that still rely on 32MB PCI cards. Many people do.
 
MachOne
Robcio:

It wasn't a comeback, it was a simple fact. Comebacks are for verbal fights.
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How is this not a verbal fight?

Anyway its not going anywhere and there's very little chance you'll agree, so just drop the issue.
 
MachOne
Robcio:

It wasn't a comeback, it was a simple fact. Comebacks are for verbal fights.

You said PCI is dead. Wrong, at least by your standards. It's just less used. I know a small population of people that still rely on 32MB PCI cards. Many people do.
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Yes, but not many people buy PCI cards. That makes them dead. There is no market for them. New PCI cards are not being produced. Which means you're wrong.

And to be honest, you did get quite 'pwned' so to speak by Rob...haha. How did Rob have an attitude anyway? That was a lame comeback. Rob is at least arguing for what he thinks instead of posting stupid comments like
'Density, density, density.

Why am I bothering?'

Totally unnecessary, especially when you're wrong. You seem to think you know a lot more than other people, but you still have a lot to learn. :)
 
DODGE the VIPER
Yes, but not many people buy PCI cards. That makes them dead. There is no market for them. New PCI cards are not being produced. Which means you're wrong.

And to be honest, you did get quite 'pwned' so to speak by Rob...haha. How did Rob have an attitude anyway? That was a lame comeback. Rob is at least arguing for what he thinks instead of posting stupid comments like
'Density, density, density.

Why am I bothering?'

Totally unnecessary, especially when you're wrong. You seem to think you know a lot more than other people, but you still have a lot to learn. :)
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Why is it that I can count on you to try to come in and not even contribute to a thread, but, just try and point out anything you might find wrong in my post.

It all depends on your definition of "dead". It can mean NOBODY uses it, or it can mean sales are over for it. Mine differs from yours, apparently.

And I see your trying to make a valid argument using the word "pwned".
 
Dead, when used to refer to a line of electronics, means does not have a future . Not necessarily isn't selling right now or nobody uses it . It means that the technology is outdated and will never be updated.
 
MachOne
Why is it that I can count on you to try to come in and not even contribute to a thread, but, just try and point out anything you might find wrong in my post.

It all depends on your definition of "dead". It can mean NOBODY uses it, or it can mean sales are over for it. Mine differs from yours, apparently.

And I see your trying to make a valid argument using the word "pwned".
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Do you read my posts?

Yes, but not many people buy PCI cards. That makes them dead. There is no market for them. New PCI cards are not being produced.
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Clearly contributed to the thread. I agree with dan's post though, but no longer being produced would contribute to them not having a future.

Secondly, I didn't use the word 'pwned' in my argument, and I was using it sarcastically which is why I obviously put it in these things quotation marks. I think you need glasses or something, seriously.
 
DODGE the VIPER
I think you need glasses or something, seriously.
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Wow, a mindreader!

:rolleyes:

I don't see how you "clearly" contributed to the thread, with all of your other crap in the way, but to each their own.

Move on ladies and gentlemen.
 
Your saying there will always be someone using 32mb PCI GPU, well there will be more people using 256-512mb AGP GPU, because more AGP cards have been produced, and will be produced.

Thread back on track.....................
 
Have you guys ever thought the makers of those new physic cards, could use AGP in the future.
 
Shannon
AGP = Accelerated Graphics Port

AGP was solely a graphics bus, intended only for graphics cards. Anyway, I presume you're talking about the Ageia PhysX card? It'll initially come in PCI, with PCI-E later on.

So, for about the 50th time — AGP is ****ing dead!
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And if it was dead, why most of the market have PCI Graphic Cards still brought. Like more brought then AGP or PCI Express, plus when people move out of PCI then go for AGP still.

Because it is more cheaper to buy the motherboards, and Graphic cards. Plus PC people are able to find ways of making PhysX cards work on AGP. Some of those people are smart.
 

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