Attacker in Japan kills several with knife

As long as it was not a gun.

OK, I will get my coat and see my way out lol. In all seriousness much condolences for the victims and families, senseless tragedy :(
 
I'd vote for keeping the breaking news updates in these threads just about the new information & waiting until another time to discuss the legislation & politicisation. As has been suggested recently on this site.
I've literally just heard about this incident because this thread was created & already it's setting up to be a gun debate in here.
 
My first thought was, "How do you kill so many people with a knife"....then I read the story. Incredibly heart breaking.
 
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I'd vote for keeping the breaking news updates in these threads just about the new information & waiting until another time to discuss the legislation & politicisation. As has been suggested recently on this site.
I've literally just heard about this incident because this thread was created & already it's setting up to be a gun debate in here.
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Let's face it, the debate should not be about guns as we know. The debate if there is a need for a debate at all is the fact that people kill people.

It is a sickening story and I am always most interested in the cause rather than the tool used. We can minimize this sort of thing, perhaps we are not doing such a bad job of that after all.
 
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I'd vote for keeping the breaking news updates in these threads just about the new information & waiting until another time to discuss the legislation & politicisation. As has been suggested recently on this site.
I've literally just heard about this incident because this thread was created & already it's setting up to be a gun debate in here.
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I agree, there is a Gun Thread for that.
 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36890655

Just saw this come across as breaking news, at least 19 deaths so far

Media is doing a good job of making us think the world has gone mad this month, and I'm inclined to think maybe it has a bit more than we usually see or get notice of.
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I think Media is having a good job of scaring people into talking something unthinkable.

Example: Trump supporters and some of the thread in the opinions section.
 
I think my only questions are, how was he able to get in a facility like this, did he have a relative there that he grew tired of helping or did he just waltz in? Because from my experience in the States you have to check in and do other crap, my wife told me plenty about it when she worked at them as a nursing assistant. However, there was plenty of stories of patients getting out unseen so it probably not all that impossible to imagine the opposite.

This is quite sad all around really, I'm sure we'll get back ground on the guy in the coming days, this is just disgusting, almost out of manga you'd find in Japan.
 
fumunaplz
He was a former employee right? Does not seem outlandish that he could easily gain access.
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Like I said, unless it was just a facility you could walk into without checking at the front, then no it's kind of silly. Nursing homes here only allow for certain ways to get in during open hours. This is to ensure that their patients don't get out, because if they do this could cause lawsuits or heavy fines and potential closure of said facility.

However this is Japan so I have no idea how they operate compared to here, which is why I'd like to know.
 
I have no idea how things go in Japan, I do live in the U.S. and I can tell you for a fact it is very easy to gain access. I am a self employed contractor with access to many places, the girl at the desk of a nursing home would be of very little problem for me to pass with signing a paper and a smile.

I'm not sure how you think these places are secure? They aren't.
 
fumunaplz
I have no idea how things go in Japan, I do live in the U.S. and I can tell you for a fact it is very easy to gain access. I am a self employed contractor with access to many places, the girl at the desk of a nursing home would be of very little problem for me to pass with signing a paper and a smile.

I'm not sure how you think these places are secure? They aren't.
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Never said you did have an idea...it was a general question, not for one person, I'm just responding what I was saying in a general sense. Since this is a general discussion...

Got it General? And not it's not that simple at least for the ones my wife has worked in, if you're a contractor then the head nurse or director dealt with you not the front desk. And they'd either call to clarify this and make you wait or go get said person. Like I said my wife did this job for 4-5 year before moving on to Hospitals as a Nurse/LPN, she worked front desk too and had plenty of stories. I'm not saying these places are secure, but there is limited access and where there is access you have to actually come face to face with staff.

Now not all places are the same, and thus some people may not go through correct protocol which wouldn't surprise me.
 
Well I do not question your 'a general sense' approach at all, what I am telling you is that gaining access is very easy in the states, I do it every day.

It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, I speak the truth, walk into one similar wearing work clothes, act professional, smile at the girl or guard or whatever, sign the sheet and go about your business. If you do nothing wrong, sign out, if you do something wrong, well....... run :lol:

I do not understand your idea that a place of that nature would be secure.
 
fumunaplz
Well I do not question your 'a general sense' approach at all, what I am telling you is that gaining access is very easy in the states, I do it every day.
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So you go about places and just enter them where you do not belong?

It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, I speak the truth, walk into one similar wearing work clothes, act professional, smile at the girl or guard or whatever, sign the sheet and go about your business. If you do nothing wrong, sign out, if you do something wrong, well....... run :lol:
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Not saying you're lying, I just said that not everyone makes sure people who are suppose to be there are, but the places my wife worked at were strict, due to patients getting out and so on. Or even family members taking patients out without permission.

I do not understand your idea that a place of that nature would be secure.
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So you didn't read my post, good to know. Once again never did I say secure, but it is a controlled environment due to patient care and the cost to the facility if something happened to people due to letting some "contractor" in that didn't belong and someone were to get hurt. Just like you have a certain understanding, I have a close perspective as well.
 
I read all of your posts with due diligence, we disagree I guess. I do not enter places of business that I do not belong but I do realize just how easy it is.

Back to the topic, if he was a former employee it seems to me very likely he could gain access without trouble, that is my opinion of it. Let us not forget how tragic it is, let us not argue over trivial things such as security which can always be breached, let us think of the reason this man would do such a horrible thing.

Why is what we should be asking, not how.
 
fumunaplz
I read all of your posts with due diligence, we disagree I guess. I do not enter places of business that I do not belong but I do realize just how easy it is.
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In hindsight

Back to the topic, if he was a former employee it seems to me very likely he could gain access without trouble, that is my opinion of it. Let us not forget how tragic it is, let us not argue over trivial things such as security which can always be breached, let us think of the reason this man would do such a horrible thing.
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If no one is watching sure, he could. If other employees know he is a former employee then they wouldn't let him in, thus I think the access is a lot easier than places here. Or he could have probably gone on a shift that he never worked when employed there thus people would see a person in uniform, not pay no other mind to it and go about their business.

Like I said people are still going to want to see why this was so easy to execute especially the families of the dead. And that was my point, not anything about secure or unsecured.
 
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I never knew Japan had mass stabbings, I mean I was aware they have happened in places especially Asia. However, the article I posted hinted at other notable cases in recent years in Japan, with this newest one being the worst.
 
Some sort of discontent or maybe a simple case of more population equates to more anomalies I guess. In case you don't realize it, I am of the opinion that society is falling short and creating some of these monsters.

It's just how I feel about it, I try very hard to treat every person with over respect and care, I know it's not enough and I also know there will always be this or that one that will not respond in a positive way.

I hope you see what I say.
 
fumunaplz
Some sort of discontent or maybe a simple case of more population equates to more anomalies I guess. In case you don't realize it, I am of the opinion that society is falling short and creating some of these monsters.

It's just how I feel about it, I try very hard to treat every person with over respect and care, I know it's not enough and I also know there will always be this or that one that will not respond in a positive way.

I hope you see what I say.
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I understand what you're saying, but I feel other than the mentally ill, that those who act on their own volition without any issues have no excuse. I feel that could be said about a number of the crazy events that have happened one after another this month, though part of me wonders if such publicized events gave motivation to the others.

I wonder if the over media-sensation of Nice drove the killer in Munich more so to do what they already had planned, or this attack in Japan. Not anything to do with context behind individual events, just the fact that hey one guy did it now I'll do what I wanted and felt needed to be done sort of thing.
 
I hear you, where is the line I'm asking, not asking you but just pondering. Sure there are mentally ill, sure there are flat out buttholes and so forth, but there is a fringe. Are we doing what we can to overcome that possible outcome of a fringe?

Anyway to lighten the mood I propose to you that the world is a much better place to live in today then it has ever been in the past. We are making progress albeit slow and painful.
 
Let's keep this on-topic please. If you have nothing useful, factual or even remotely logical to add to the discussion, feel free to stay out of it.

Yes, posts were erased. Carry on.
 

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