Audi LeMans Quattro Tune Complete

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After a recent trip to Europe, I managed to score an Audi 2003 LeMans Quattro. Well, I shouldn't say "score", as it seems Audi is practically giving these cars away. Odd, I thought as it was a car that put Audi on the racing map again, and is the precursor to their much praised R8 flagship car.

Well, getting it home, I can see why Audi didn't want this particular car in the hands of 50 something men, experiencing their mid-life crisis'. Pretuned, from the factory, this car is borderline suicidal. How many of those 50 somethings would be taking headers off the PCH (Pacific Coast Highway) with their hot, Viagra commercial, wife barking at them to slow down, before the car got pulled off the market anyway?

Probably no question as to why the production version boasts about 200 less horsepower.

Well, it's a car bred for racing, so into the shop it goes. Long painstaking process, and while the boys and me will do an occasional Vette, or other high performance car, most tuning is to the tune of 20 somethings with disposable income trying to eke out 2-3 more horsepower from their Dodge Neon.

So, what do you do when you get a car like this in your hands? Why, you gut it of course. Out comes the interior, and out comes the engine. Want to know what makes your engine sing? Only one way. Take it apart. Then in the truest spirit of American redneckness, we'll make it better. All those years of engineering classes in college made me an expert at one thing. Taking things apart. Putting them back together is another course structure, and I just couldn't afford any more student loans. I'll figure it out along the way.

Engine is gutted, interior is gutted. Now, it's time to start from scratch. A rebalancing of the engine, and a compression modification, and we managed to eke out about 100 extra ponies. If we manage to get this car under control, we'll add a couple of turbos. Gutting the interior saved us a few hundred pounds. YES, POUNDS, as in, "LBS". Our scales don't have kilograms, so deal with it. (Well actually they do, but I'm just being difficult). For the most part, they kept the car very lean when they built it.

Now, I'm a firm believer in the engineering creed of "if it ain't broke, fix it till it is". So, why on Earth would you add an extra 100 hp to a car that you can barely keep on the road as it is? Well, I don't have a good answer. We'll address that later.

Out to the test track and the car is frightening. It's fast. Just hope you don't have to stop. If you have to stop and actually turn the thing, just jump out. It'll be safer. Regardless of how fast you're going.

This bad boy is going to need suspension before that engine lets loose and rockets through the back of my skull. This car obviously did not get the suspension package they raced with. The front springs are WAY too soft and all the weight in the back wants to fly forward when you hit the brakes. When you turn, all the weight wants to swing out wide. Brake and turn? You're just screwed.

Having never tuned an AWD, mid-engined car, it was time to learn. Tweak, test, tweak, test, and so on. After weeks of white knuckling the steering wheel, this car is a BLAST to drive.

This is a race car. This car does not want to babied. In fact, it'll just mumble and gurgle unhappily if you do. If you let loose, you'll be rewarded with a roaring "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" coming from the engine and tires as this car screams around corners, tracks into the straightaway and launches it's attack. You can still feel the weight of the engine behind you, but it's better used as a weapon against your rivals than a suicidal death machine. You need that engine to stay put, it'll stay put. You need it to swing out and provide much needed oversteer because you were texting and racing and didn't see the turn coming up? It'll do it. It's forgiving of mistakes, but brutal against stupidity. Be stupid, it'll hurt you. Make a mistake, and it forgives, like a good friend.

Anyway, since Audi is giving these things away, I thought I'd share my tuning experience so no others end up in a ditch, or worse, doing a header off the PCH. Of course we added the turbos in the end to a resounding 870 hp. In my best Southern accent, all I can say is "HEY Y'ALL, WATCH THIS!!!".

Audi LeMans Quattro '03

Fully modded at the tuning shop. If you can buy it, I put it on it (or took it off for the weight reduction).

You can't adjust aero for this thing. Such a shame.

Transmission: 217
LSD Settings
Front: 5 / 10 / 12
Rear: 5 / 20 / 13
Torque: 50 / 50

Ride Height: -20 / -20
Spring Rate: 14.7 / 13.3
Extension: 7 / 6
Compression: 6 / 6
Anti-Roll: 5 / 5

Camber: 1.7 / 1.7
Toe: -0.26 / 0.07

Brake Balance: 6 / 7

Enjoy. Takes a bit to get used to how hard you can actually push it.

*Update*

Okay, after a few "Hey Y'all watch this" moments in the "Green Hell", I've decided to loosen up the suspension a bit. New values.

Transmission: 249

Rate: 13.0 / 9.5
Ext: 6 / 5
Comp: 5 / 5
Anti-Roll: 4 / 4

Was kind of like a rabid cat with a nervous twitch. Now it's not nearly as twitchy. Smoking fast though.
 
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what tyres did you use on this tune please?

I put racing softs on. Glad i did :D
Beast of a tune my friend but takes a bit of getting used to. I put the hammer down in 2nd gear while coming out of a corner and the car just went straight (rofl). Note to self *make sure car is facing the way i want to go first before applying throttle :D *
 
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what tyres did you use on this tune please?

I put racing softs on. Glad i did :D
Beast of a tune my friend but takes a bit of getting used to. I put the hammer down in 2nd gear while coming out of a corner and the car just went straight (rofl). Note to self *make sure car is facing the way i want to go first before applying throttle :D *

:crazy::sly:

Yeah, a little tire spin with a harder tire might make some people feel a bit more comfortable for that exact reason. I wanted to do the tune because it's a free car, and when I searched the forum for a tune I just found "just have to live with it" and that offends my re-engineer everything attitude. Since the car is a free award, and it's lightening quick, it deserved at least an attempt at a good tune. Definitely looking for feedback though on how it can be improved.

The hardest part of tuning this car is balancing the rear end so that it maintains a consistent arc around a corner and mimics the front end. The back end likes to sit back and be a bit lazy, so if the back end and the front end are on a different line, you get a lurch in the opposite direction or your turn. Getting that back end to swing around and match the front end line, while maintaining enough grip was challenging.

Like I said, you don't really need to be shy with the car. Point the nose and hammer the throttle. It'll go. There are points where toeing the brake is a good idea to maintain a bit of throttle response going into a hard corner.

I've had are really hard time with Laguna Seca with this tune though. It accelerates very quickly, but you need to be very straight to not flop the back end around on a hard brake. Not uncommon in cars like this though (Murcielago anyone? ;)), and Laguna just exposes this weakness on the opening straight and that nasty uphill/downhill chicane.

On Cape Ring, and Deep Forest, it flat out moves, but yeah, there's a learning curve. I think I got it to the point of just "different", and it's not where you're wrestling with it like when it's stock. Gonna try the Japanese circuits tonight. Going to try some different brake settings as well to see if I can calm that thing down a bit during hard brakes.
 
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I used this setup for the cape ring circuit and won it by days :D . The only problem i had was the car hated being below 5000-6000rpm which caused quite a problem especially in 2nd gear when going into and out of sharp corners. The car literally stopped and then went again.
I then used the car on the nurburgring :D :D :D :D
I changed the gear ratio to 224mph to try and rid myself of the low rpm stoppage to find that every time i braked, the rear end of the car decided to try and over take me. None the less i abandoned the race 3/4 of the way through after spinning out ..... i lost count of how many times :).

It is though a great tune, giving the car awesome acceloration but i feel it need to be tweaked slightly.
 
I used this setup for the cape ring circuit and won it by days :D . The only problem i had was the car hated being below 5000-6000rpm which caused quite a problem especially in 2nd gear when going into and out of sharp corners. The car literally stopped and then went again.
I then used the car on the nurburgring :D :D :D :D
I changed the gear ratio to 224mph to try and rid myself of the low rpm stoppage to find that every time i braked, the rear end of the car decided to try and over take me. None the less i abandoned the race 3/4 of the way through after spinning out ..... i lost count of how many times :).

It is though a great tune, giving the car awesome acceloration but i feel it need to be tweaked slightly.

I messed with it for a few hours again last night. The main problem is I can't keep it on the ground. I've messed with everything I can, and any minor bump and the car is airborne. I was in Tokyo last night and two bumps made my life miserable. Same with Laguna. Choice is either slow down to avoid going airborne or go airborne. The car is FAST, and I'm trying to figure out if I'm just that much faster at the time I'm hitting the bumps than the other cars. A grippier race car can hit them a bit faster than I can so, it's probably the speed. I don't know. You just accelerate soooooo quickly.

If it wasn't for the bump in the middle of the straight in TokyoR246, I'd probably be at 225 mph by the end. My Minolta race car hits 210, but is a good 20 mph slower at the bump.

I can do a 6:40 Nurburg time, but I have to lay off the throttle. Run at about 80% for most of the track, and only open it up in areas you're very familiar with. The car is fast enough to do much faster, but just not controllable.

That would tell me that the top speed needs to be increased, but then you run into the problem you're having in second gear. Would be nice to be able to individually tune gears. Next step is to remove the turbos, and go N/A. The torque band should widen a bit at the sacrifice of horsepower at the top end of the power band. So, I'll be trying that later.

Oh, and one more thing I thought of while driving the minivan for a fill up. The car REALLY needs a downforce adjustment, but it's just not available. A good amount of downforce would bring it right in line. Would probably fix the whole not being able to stay on the road problem.

Edit again. On the rear spinning out, I've noticed this on a lot of mid-engined cars, and quite a bit on AWD mid-engined cars. To fix this, maintain throttle while applying the brake (toeing the brake). It's a learning curve, and kind of a finesse move, but it works great.
 
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I was using this setup as well and the rear of the car would swing out when braking. Also I running this car at Daytona and it was doing good until the 5 th lap and the tires were shot. As soon as I would enter into the turn around 200 mph the rear would of the vehicle would swing out. In short it was eating the tires. Does anybody have any improvements for this setup?
 
I tried this on the rome track and it was ok but my R8 5.2 fsi beats it by about 3 seconds every time even in b spec the R8s faster, this tunes good, maybe a little too much understeer for my tastes, but the R8's got this car beat by a long shot
 
I tried this on the rome track and it was ok but my R8 5.2 fsi beats it by about 3 seconds every time even in b spec the R8s faster, this tunes good, maybe a little too much understeer for my tastes, but the R8's got this car beat by a long shot

Yeah, the R8 has downforce. Makes a HUGE difference.

Really the only appeal for the Lemans Quattro is it's free. It's a good B-Spec earner, but in hard competition it'll get beat by real race cars because of the downforce.
 
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I got this car a while back, and since I don't have many 4WD cars, and this looked like a good start (almost didn't believe my eyes when I saw the fully tuned HP)

Thing I can't understand, why F/R traction 50/50?

I tuned the car to the settings you suggested, (the more loose suspension) just now and tested it on my favorite track, Laguna Seca. I don't own a wheel (yet) and so far the magic limit for this track has been around 1:20 - I've gotten just a few thousand parts of a second under that with my fully tuned & race modded corvette, (of course I've driven the corvette much much more..) - this was first test for Audi. Managed to pull around 1:30 though I was on the grass at least two times.

But with 50/50 traction it was like a missile when I put the pedal to the metal but cornering is terrible. Also it started wiggling very easy when breaking. Based on this, I'd say that the rear tire LSD decelerating settings are way too tight -> hence the wiggling / spin. Also the high initial and high LSD Acceleration makes the cornering harder, probably on both front and rear.

I quickly tweaked the F/R power distribution down to 35 / 65, and, all though haven't tested much yet, I'd say that this suites me much better. I did about 10sec faster (almost 1:20) time with on the second lap with racing:soft just after chancing only the front-rear traction.

Also I'm going to get into the LSD system later on and try to do some testing with a bit different tracks, when I do and if I find something useful, I'll post it here. I'm pretty sure that it can be made much much better to handle by doing some tweaking on LSD and power distribution. (-though the suspension settings seemed to be pretty good otherwise, thank you for that :)

But I'll stop here since this was only a quick test and only on Laguna Seca -track. I'll do another post if I get some improvements done on the settings.

btw, what kind of laptimes do you get on Laguna Seca with your setup?
 
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