Ayrton Senna signed stuff

[Vitocorp]

Ok, so after looking on eBay about signed stuff from the Brazilian champion, I sent a p.m. to an Italian seller asking if he still had a signed page of a magazine.
He said that he sold that page but he have a signed Donington 1993 vip pass for sale at 250€.
Recently he sold (via eBay) a signed visor shield and a couple of on-paper autographs, some other memorabilias (such as the page of the magazine) were deleted from eBay by the seller as no longer available (he probably sold those via private ways, still talking about Senna signed stuff).
He also sold via eBay, a signed Alboreto's Balaclava and a signed replica of a Lauda's helmet.
Now I'm really interested about this piece, and I checked the signature, some others 1993 autographs on sale are really similar to this one, indeed, during his career he changed his signature various time.
What should I do? Do you think I can trust this guy? (p.s. he send me the photo of the pass)
No certification of auteticity, of course, otherwise the price would not be so "low".
I hope to hear some advices from you guys, thanks .

 

[a6m5]

Credible certificate of authenticity is a big deal, at least to me. If I'm going to spend money on a autographed item, personally, I'd have to be 100% sure that the autograph is authentic.

I used to collect basketball cards, and they were easy, because most of them were signed by the players to be officially released by the card companies as "auto" cards. I do own couple of Rod Strickland(my favorite player) autographed cards that haven't been authenticated, but I have so many of his autographs and am so familiar with them that I'm convinced that they are real.

If the price is low enough, and you don't care much about the collector value, then I can see how some one would purchase an autograph with a question mark on its authenticity. I wouldn't touch it, it'd drive me nuts.

 

[Vitocorp]

Credible certificate of authenticity is a big deal, at least to me. If I'm going to spend money on a autographed item, personally, I'd have to be 100% sure that the autograph is authentic.

I used to collect basketball cards, and they were easy, because most of them were signed by the players to be officially released by the card companies as "auto" cards. I do own couple of Rod Strickland(my favorite player) autographed cards that haven't been authenticated, but I have so many of his autographs and am so familiar with them that I'm convinced that they are real.

If the price is low enough, and you don't care much about the collector value, then I can see how some one would purchase an autograph with a question mark on its authenticity. I wouldn't touch it, it'd drive me nuts.

I would buy it for my personal collection (as I am a big fan of Senna), personally even I'm not completely sure of its authenticity my 6th sense tells me that it's not a fake.
I'm not extremely familiar about his signature since I have not any autograph but I've compared the signature with some others (talking about certificates ones) from the same year and they look very similar.
Starting from this research I've even spotted 2 autograph from the another seller (from 1993) which looks completely different and potentially, they could be a fake.
The price as I said is low enough for a non certificate one, Iwith COA we're talking about 700/1'000 € if not more.
I was lucky enough to find a signed ticket (no autentication) from the exactly same Gp judge from yourself...
Here's the pass

Here's the ticket

 

[a6m5]

Based on the comparison between these two autographs, I'm not convinced. Personally, if it was my money, I'd pass. Either way, best of luck. 👍

 

[phillgt2002]

Yeah, I'm not too convinced myself. Doesn't paper fade after a few years or are those laminated?

 

[Vitocorp]

Yeah, I'm not too convinced myself. Doesn't paper fade after a few years or are those laminated?

The ticket is not protected, the pass has the plastic cover protection

 

[mister dog]

Ayrton's signature (or any signature for that matter), is not that hard to fake.
I remember looking at Senna memorabilia on Ebay also and seeing some fool that sold a F1 picture with Senna's autograph, and the picture dated from after may 1994...

 

[Vitocorp]

Ayrton's signature (or any signature for that matter), is not that hard to fake.
I remember looking at Senna memorabilia on Ebay also and seeing some fool that sold a F1 picture with Senna's autograph, and the picture dated from after may 1994...

Indeed, most students can make a fake signature of their parents, so it's definitely not that hard to do....
Recently I lost an autograph of the champion plus a Niki Lauda's one, the bids were pretty low but a b:censored: managed to make an offer higher than mine, 2 seconds before the end of the auction.
The risk was very very low, 35€ for 2 pseuo-autentic autographs.

 

[Robin]

I have to say the pass signature looks very neat, almost way too neat if someone was signing that in a hurry and likely not on a flat surface.

 

[Vitocorp]

I have to say the pass signature looks very neat, almost way too neat if someone was signing that in a hurry and likely not on a flat surface.

 

[mister dog]

Looks realistic, How the "A" starts with a little deformation as if not signed on a steady surface, and it is not the perfect Senna signature in any way but looks hurried.
I liked @Robin. 's post, but i guess he meant it the other way around haha

 

[Vitocorp]

Looks realistic, How the "A" starts with a little deformation as if not signed on a steady surface, and it is not the perfect Senna signature in any way but looks hurried.
I liked @Robin. 's post, but i guess he meant it the other way around haha

He was referring to the other pass, the signature looks almost perfect. The second I've posted looks 'authentic' 💡
If the price wouldn't be so high I would probably get this one.

 

[mister dog]

He was referring to the other pass, the signature looks almost perfect. The second I've posted looks 'authentic' 💡

Ah damn, didn't realize
Then he has a point the sig on the donington pass looks to good to be true, if they have to take the time to sign each fan attribute that nice they would never get away on time.

 

[BobK]

If the lack of a certificate of authenticity is an issue, just put a higher grade than usual in the printer and make your own.

Kidding of course.

Seems to me that many of the certificates I've seen would be easier to fake than the items themselves.

 

[Vitocorp]

If the lack of a certificate of authenticity is an issue, just put a higher grade than usual in the printer and make your own.

Kidding of course.

Seems to me that many of the certificates I've seen would be easier to fake than the items themselves.

Imagine if I buy an authentic one without the certificate and I print a fake one, that would be ironic...!
I've decided to decline the offer to the first pass for the above reasons, thanks to you guys.
I'm thinking about offering on the secon one because it looks more 'realistic'; he wants 600 Australian Dollars/388 Euros which seems to much for me, if I manage to convince him for a reasonably low price, who knows maybe he needs money...I'll grab it.