Better Race Events Wanted!

[Solid Lifters]

Face it. GT4 is more boring than GT3. When it comes to racing events, which is what I love most about the GT series. And lets face it, honestly, the racing events in GT4 were half-assed, at best.

We had a great verity of Super GT (JGTC) 300 class and 500 race cars in GT4. I loved them all. But, where were the "GT500" and "GT300" races we had in GT2? Didn't anybody love them? They were the best race events, and the most challeging, in the entire game. With all the Super GT cars, why didn't PD give us these races?

True, we have the "Japanese Events" that featured these style races, but that was for GT500 cars only. If you wanted a GT300 style race, you had to make one in Family Cup, which only won you 500 credits. But, that's not a big deal. What was a big deal where the cars you raced against. They weren't other GT300 class Super GT race cars. Why wouldn't PD make race events similar to those of real life racing series popular in Japan?

What about ALMS style, or Le Mans style race cars? We had no specific races for GT2, GT, C-class and LMP class cars. Why? Again, making your own in Family Cup yeilds results that aren't ideal. The Family Cup feature is awesome, but the cars it chooses aren't what I want for a specific type of racing event I'm hungry for. If there were race events similar to what I want and described, they were ruined by one overly-fast car that forced you to select a faster car then the others, which ruined your fun. So, instead of racing agianst a group of cars, you were racing against just that one car, and what fun is that?

This is just a small example of what PD missed this time out. What about the race events in general? There were few too little racing events, with what was given. Plus, there were other missing race events. What about horsepower limited races? That was the second most fun race events in GT2, and again, they're not present. This race event made you discover, by trial and error, what was the fastest car for a specific horsepower rating. Finding the correct car, and setup, was a lot of fun. Then, racing against these cars with different setups and different race cars, was also a lot of fun. That fun was missing in GT4.

So, were you happy with the race events in GT4? I felt they were lacking and vague. What should we ask for in GT5? What are we to expect? What would you like?

For GT5, I want to see race events held for one specific type of car. That's it. Super GT cars only, in either GT300 or GT500. How about both, but have two different first place winners for the same race event for both style race cars? Just like real car racing. With up to 24 cars possible on the track at a time now, I would hate being forced to select a race car that is much faster than the other 22, to compete with the one that blows every other car away. Wouldn't you?

How much fun would it be if you could have HP limited races again for GT5? Remember how close the racing was in that type of event in GT2? Just imagine 24 cars, or so, all with the same HP rating, fighting over position! Of course, the AI will have to improved to make it work, but I'm sure PD has fixed the AI problems.

What racing events do you want to see in GT5?

 

[Sambert]

Yeah, the lack of a dedicated GT300 series (despite having access to a full six-car grid) and the removal of the GT3 style Polyphony Digital Cup has me baffled. Although I think it unlikely, I’m holding out for horsepower limited events and air restrictors in the next installment.

 

[xXSilencerXx]

I miss those GT500 and GT300 events too.

 

[greenlightning]

With 700 plus cars, the race events is something that they should of really spent a great ammount of time on. I think that grouping events by country is in my opinion not the best way to go. It is frustrating only having a handfull of races that your car can enter. The manufactor races are for the most part boring and in general way to easy. It has been said maybe a hundred times if not more but horsepower limits like in GT2 should be the starting point for building the race event structure. What is the deal with race tires, less then 10 percent of the races allow you to use them. Having cars in the game that you can not race is stupid ( this is a game and allways will be, its not real ). I want more variety of tracks and random elements in most race events. With over 50 tracks, allow some of the race series to use things like random track order, random tracks, and random no. of laps. Or at least give us a full blown option to create are own race series and set our own race restrictions. Allow us to set the number of laps for family cup. GT4's mission was to have as many cars from across the globe and capture the auto history from beginning to now. I think they did a great job doing that, but the replay value may have suffered from putting such a heavy priority on keeping everything along those lines. GT4 is no doubt an amazing game with lots and lots of things to do. It would be nice to be able to jump in a car and have a race menu that you could go to which would list all the races that the car you are in will qualify for. A person should not have to spend more then 5 minuets finding a race to enter. This could also be set up to allow a player to choose a race and then choose only car that can enter that race. With a game this big, I would like to see everything done possible that would help get you racing as fast as possible. We can only dream that GT5 will be the answer, a game created, with out blantant and obvisuous features overlooked or bugs.

 

[ALPHA]

In short, better events based on classes, and the ability to design spot races.

I found GT4’s race events to be the most repetitive and nauseating experiences ever. I left most of them to B-Spec themselves overnight, and for the ones not B-Specable, I simply did them with little or no enthusiasm, bouncing off walls to get the race over and done with, because to me, all that was important was getting that 0.2% closer to game completion.

As you say, there are no clear class races/cups and generally the spot races leave you with random or predictable opponent selections thus making it difficult to get a grid of desired cars. For example there’s the “Can’t Brake For Nothing Grid”, that even I without the aid of a crystal ball know I’ll end up against a SLR McLaren, W12 Nardo, NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car, ZZII or a Cadillac CIEN. Or perhaps the “Tyre Shredding Behemoths Grid” consisting of an R8, Speed 8, R89C, R92CP, Sauber C9 or an 88C-V when a blue moon’s around. What if I want to race against a 787B, XJR-9 or a 905? I have to fiddle around with the opponent “difficulty” for what seems like eons, and even then this pseudo “difficulty” slider doesn’t work for you, it’s only a measure of describing the PS2 and its ability at keeping the AI on the tarmac.

For a Photo Mode shoot, it took many attempts to generate a full grid of GT300 racers without any Altezza LM Race or 205 Rally Cars showing up. Even then the race itself was as dull as mud with AI that simply couldn’t drive to a speed and cleanliness I desired, now days LAN racing is where I get my fix.

Back in GT3, to me that’s where the best races were. The colourful grids including a red TS020, green & orange 787B, purpley blue R390, yellow Lister Storm V12 a red Gillet Vertigo and a black Zonda LM Race Car who could’ve wanted more? Sure the cars weren’t balanced as opposition but visually they sure were. To me that’s where a problem lies, the preset grids render you with blandness beyond beige. What happened to classic Gran Turismo races with Skylines, 3000GTs, NSXs, WRXs, RX7s and Evos? Those memories of brightly coloured blobs whizzing around Grand Valley Speedway are the best ones, perhaps the racing itself was rather piss-poor but because it looked so lively and fun it’s stuck in my brain.

Beyond the problems of drone based AI that we really should never have been exposed to, the inability to precisely select grids really gets to me. Tuning has always been a part of GT, and what’s the point of tuning up your RX-8 only to end up challenging stock super cars that spend most of the time in the sand trap at the end of the Mulsanne Straight at Le Sarthe?

I would love to be able to choose my opposition in say spot races from every little detail from the track, actual level of AI difficulty, the number of laps/duration, opponent vehicles and their settings & tuning, tyre compounds and visual modifications including their paint job, wheels and even wings (if it’s ya thang!). I want to be able to have the chance to be able to design races in GT to my guidelines, not a poorly designed algorithms. We all like to set up out own challenges in GT, and providing we are able to adjust whatever variables we desire, we can build our own custom spot races, now that’s true Gran Turismo to me.

As a bonus I’d love to be able to race against my own garaged vehicles too, providing they don’t come back scratched

 

[Solid Lifters]

In short, better events based on classes, and the ability to design spot races.

I found GT4’s race events to be the most repetitive and nauseating experiences ever. I left most of them to B-Spec themselves overnight, and for the ones not B-Specable, I simply did them with little or no enthusiasm, bouncing off walls to get the race over and done with, because to me, all that was important was getting that 0.2% closer to game completion.

As you say, there are no clear class races/cups and generally the spot races leave you with random or predictable opponent selections thus making it difficult to get a grid of desired cars. For example there’s the “Can’t Brake For Nothing Grid”, that even I without the aid of a crystal ball know I’ll end up against a SLR McLaren, W12 Nardo, NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car, ZZII or a Cadillac CIEN. Or perhaps the “Tyre Shredding Behemoths Grid” consisting of an R8, Speed 8, R89C, R92CP, Sauber C9 or an 88C-V when a blue moon’s around. What if I want to race against a 787B, XJR-9 or a 905? I have to fiddle around with the opponent “difficulty” for what seems like eons, and even then this pseudo “difficulty” slider doesn’t work for you, it’s only a measure of describing the PS2 and its ability at keeping the AI on the tarmac.

For a Photo Mode shoot, it took many attempts to generate a full grid of GT300 racers without any Altezza LM Race or 205 Rally Cars showing up. Even then the race itself was as dull as mud with AI that simply couldn’t drive to a speed and cleanliness I desired, now days LAN racing is where I get my fix.

Back in GT3, to me that’s where the best races were. The colourful grids including a red TS020, green & orange 787B, purpley blue R390, yellow Lister Storm V12 a red Gillet Vertigo and a black Zonda LM Race Car who could’ve wanted more? Sure the cars weren’t balanced as opposition but visually they sure were. To me that’s where a problem lies, the preset grids render you with blandness beyond beige. What happened to classic Gran Turismo races with Skylines, 3000GTs, NSXs, WRXs, RX7s and Evos? Those memories of brightly coloured blobs whizzing around Grand Valley Speedway are the best ones, perhaps the racing itself was rather piss-poor but because it looked so lively and fun it’s stuck in my brain.

Beyond the problems of drone based AI that we really should never have been exposed to, the inability to precisely select grids really gets to me. Tuning has always been a part of GT, and what’s the point of tuning up your RX-8 only to end up challenging stock super cars that spend most of the time in the sand trap at the end of the Mulsanne Straight at Le Sarthe?

I would love to be able to choose my opposition in say spot races from every little detail from the track, actual level of AI difficulty, the number of laps/duration, opponent vehicles and their settings & tuning, tyre compounds and visual modifications including their paint job, wheels and even wings (if it’s ya thang!). I want to be able to have the chance to be able to design races in GT to my guidelines, not a poorly designed algorithms. We all like to set up out own challenges in GT, and providing we are able to adjust whatever variables we desire, we can build our own custom spot races, now that’s true Gran Turismo to me.

As a bonus I’d love to be able to race against my own garaged vehicles too, providing they don’t come back scratched

Excellent post, as usual, sir.

I love the idea of a user-adjustable race event designer, but I doubt we'll ever get to see it. To be able to control what courses, what cars, how many laps and what difficulty level the AI operates would be an awesome addition to a GT game. Also, to have the abiltiy to title the race event, save and store it on your memory card or hdd, and then be able to share it on the net would be an even more awesome idea. Maybe this will be possible for GT6.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

What about ALMS style, or Le Mans style race cars? We had no specific races for GT2, GT, C-class and LMP class cars.

Actully, I recall racig in an Event in the Extreme Hall which usually had 2 Group C cars, 1 LMP and 2 GT1/GTS cars, then you.

I really miss those races with the great Japanese Sports cars. Like the Evo, WRX, Skyline, Supra and NSX. I was looking forward to one of those races in the PD Cup, and I find I havt to race against lower class Euro hatches.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Actully, I recall racig in an Event in the Extreme Hall which usually had 2 Group C cars, 1 LMP and 2 GT1/GTS cars, then you.

But that's my point. All those different cars together makes no sense if you aren't going to have seperate first place winners for each class of cars. If not, then what's the point to it? The only car that matters is the one Class C car that kicks the crap out of everything else, and therefore, that's the ONLY car to race against on a very long track.

I would have loved a Circuit De La Sarthe race with only real GT1 or GT2 cars. Same goes for Group C and LMP. But, don't mix the car classes together unless you have a seperate first place winner for each class. So, for GT4, they should have made only one class of car race against you that was similar class to yours, and restrict all the AI cars to actual Le Mans race cars that were in the game that were similar to yours. Because mixing them up was pointless and stupid, but for the sake of GT4 only. Now that GT5 is coming out with up to 24 cars, or more, per race, yes, then include different class of cars, again, so long there's a different first place winner for each car class.

 

[Superhero Wally]

Somehow I think the lack of race events, which i too am disappointed in, was the cause of people *****ing that 10 races with 10 laps per race, was ridiculous.
Understandably some of them were, ie the vitz races in the Pro mode of GT3, no one wants that, but still give us more racecar events too choose from.
Then again i just enjoy b;lasting aroung the ring in anything. Man I wish i lived in Germany.

 

[Floshizzle]

...we would happy to see more tourists coming to Germany!!
One Lap on the NBR in your on Car only costs 20 Euro!!!
So catch a plane or whatever and enjoy the ride!!

@topic: I would love to see that events on GT5 again, especially those pro-paces in GT3 which where harder than any event in GT4.
But after all we don't want to forget that GT4 is the real driving simulator and not the real racing simulator!!!!!!!
PD just concentrated on the thrilling driving exp., explaining those ridiculus 6 ride-rosters by giving all the PS2 power into Physics!!!!!!!!

Bye
Flo
germany

 

[Hebruins]

I think the Rally events are a PITA, so they can stay away from GT5 if you'd ask me

I'd like to see som more of the GT1/GT2 events also, events with HP restrictions for instance. Also it would be nice if the AI opponents don't drive with a car that you couldn't enter in due to the regulations.

 

[Milliethemutt]

As Famine has said elsewhere the 20lap stock car races in GT3 need to return. I would also like to see the return of HP limit for some races to make things a bit more interesting. More race options on the Nurburgring too as all I seem to do at the moment is family cups there.

 

[Coiler]

Yea its sad but gt4 is boring after compleating the game once :/

 

[Dave A]

I haven't even completed it once, been at 70% for 4 or 5 months now.

Different events need a wider range of entry limitations, have touring car events that only allow cars in that have or are based on a stock car that has 4 seats or more. Have bhp limits, have weight limits, have power to weight limits. Have events for V8 powered cars and for V12 powered cars, add more variety to the events, thats what the next GT needs.

 

[Milliethemutt]

Totally agree with the engine based cups. There is the boxer cup so why not v8 and v12?

 

[Disturbed07]

Anybody else miss the Hard-Tuned cup from GT1? Not only was it extremely hard, but it was the one cup they ever had where you HAD to tune your car, to the max. The way the past 3 have been, there isnt much for your 6-900 hp cars to race in, if anything....

 

[Nattefrost]

Anybody else miss the Hard-Tuned cup from GT1? Not only was it extremely hard, but it was the one cup they ever had where you HAD to tune your car, to the max. The way the past 3 have been, there isnt much for your 6-900 hp cars to race in, if anything....

True, and it's sad. Even the races in Exreme Hall, where your opponents have cars like Nissan R89C, Minolta, Bently Speed 8, etc, there's no competition for your own well deserved (to say the least) Nissan R89C. If you're in a car like that, you'll destroy the competition, even though they're as fast and agile as yourself. Seems like the AI can't handle high speeds and great handling cars.

GT needs more challenges, that's clear by now. Makes me think Enthusia. A GT5 that's as challenging as Enthusia, that would be nice.

 

[Brock5000]

Something I've wanted to see in GT for a long time, more than anything else, is to be able to select the opponents in a spot race. At least then you could try to create a challenging race.

ALPHA hits it on the head with the comment about GT4's lack of variety in the grid. I've spent countless hours trying to find that perfect combination of car, track & opponents that gives a satisfying race but 90% of the time I find only a single worthy opponent out of a pack of sluggabeds.

 

[T5-R]

I'd agree that the events were uh pretty uneventful in terms of competition variety. Considering how many cars there are in the game it always feels like your racing 1 of 5 generic packs to me. They could have atleast done a new background pic for the races, yes you can argue its not neccesary but to me atleast it adds to feeling I've done it all before.

I disagree with GT4 being more boring that GT3 though, GT3 was hideously dull in my opinion, GT4 is better but not by alot.

I played my GT4 for the first time in over a month yesterday previous to that it had been about a 4 month period. Hence my GT4 is currently sitting at 36.5% completetion. Thought about creating a new game on my other card though were I just do exactly as I want, its hard to resist trying to win races you haven't yet won even if you do find them boring opposed to ones you already have and prefer.

 

[2004TSX]

It definitely needs an extra little kick in race choices. We really do need something for the 700-1200hp cars. I love tuning it to perfection at those speeds but I blow everyone away. Gets boring quick. Something for those ind of cars would be awesome. If in GT5, they implement the online mode, this would be the perfect place for the high horsepower races. A 940hp Nissan Skyline against an 870hp Mercedes SL65 AMG! Ooh, how much better could it get. (Probably lots but I can't think right now)

 

[ket01084]

In short, better events based on classes, and the ability to design spot races.

I found GT4’s race events to be the most repetitive and nauseating experiences ever. I left most of them to B-Spec themselves overnight, and for the ones not B-Specable, I simply did them with little or no enthusiasm, bouncing off walls to get the race over and done with, because to me, all that was important was getting that 0.2% closer to game completion.

As you say, there are no clear class races/cups and generally the spot races leave you with random or predictable opponent selections thus making it difficult to get a grid of desired cars. For example there’s the “Can’t Brake For Nothing Grid”, that even I without the aid of a crystal ball know I’ll end up against a SLR McLaren, W12 Nardo, NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car, ZZII or a Cadillac CIEN. Or perhaps the “Tyre Shredding Behemoths Grid” consisting of an R8, Speed 8, R89C, R92CP, Sauber C9 or an 88C-V when a blue moon’s around. What if I want to race against a 787B, XJR-9 or a 905? I have to fiddle around with the opponent “difficulty” for what seems like eons, and even then this pseudo “difficulty” slider doesn’t work for you, it’s only a measure of describing the PS2 and its ability at keeping the AI on the tarmac.

That would be a very nice idea. To base events in car classes. In GT4, there are a lot of powerful race cars that you don´t have in GT3, like the Peugeot Race Car, Panoz Esperante, Pescarolo´s, Bentley, Audi Race Car, BMW 12-V Race Car, Mercedes Race Cars, Mazda 787B, Nissan Race Cars, Toyota GT-1 Race Car, etc. Some of these cars are very expensive to acquire, and you practically don´t have any incentive to acquire them (you can won the toughest events with the powerful cars you won in Endurance Events).

You really need to have more events in which you can compete only against some of these cars. I can propose the following events:

Manufacturer:

Nissan GT Championship: the prize car is the Nissan R390 GT, you can compete with this one, the Nissans R380C and other Nissan Race Cars.

Toyota GT Championship: Prize Car is a Toyota GT-1 Race Car. The only cars that can compite are Toyota GT-1, Toyota Minolta, and Toyota One-Race Car.

Tommy Kaira Cup: the ZZII is a very interesting car to drive. The prize car is optional.

BMW Race Car Cup: Prize Car is a BMW V-12 LMR Race Car. Car Restrictions: BMW McClaren Race Car and BMW M3 Race Car.

Mercedes Race Cup: Prize Car: whatever. You can only use the Mercedes CLK Car or the Sauber Mercedes Race Car.

Audi 1 Competition: Prize Car: an Audi Touring Car, you will only use the Audi Race Car.

Porsche Cup: Prize Car: Porsche Race Car (A new one), this event will be harder than the event GT4 has in the Professional Mode.

Pescarolo Cup: Prize Car is one of the Pescarolos. You can only use these cars.

Bentley Cup: Prize Car "James Bond´s" Classic Bentley. You can only run with the Bentley Speed Race Car.

Jaguar Cup: Prize Car: Jaguar XJ220 Stock Car. You can compete with all the Jaguar Race Cars and the XJ220.

Chevrolet Race Car Cup: Prize Car Corvette Chevrolet Race Car. You can compete with the Corvette or Camaro Race Car.

US Open: Prize Car: Panoz Esperante. You can only compete with the Esperante or the Chevrolet Race Cars.

Tickford Cup: you can only compete with Aussie´s cars.

Local Events:

Japanese: GT Japanese World Championship: The Prize Car is a Mazda 787B. Only the 3.5-4.5 Million Japanese Race Cars can enter.

French World Championship: Prize Car is the Peugeot Race Car, or a Pescarolo. Restrictions: Pescarolo´s, Peugeot Race Car, maybe a new Renault Race Car.

German World Championship: Prize Car ¿a BMW Formula 1?, you can only use the German 3.5-4.5 million Race Cars.

European GT World Championsip Prize Car ¿a Renault Formula 1? you can only use the European 3.5-4.5 million Race Cars. In this race, you can include new venues like the GT3 Rome Circuit, Monza, Catalunya, Hockenheim, Silverstone, etc.


If they add this events in GT5, you will be able to use and enjoy driving many valuable cars, and avoid just collecting them like in GT4. Many of the events that were in GT3 (but not in GT4) would be wisely to resurrect.

Do anyone else has better suggestions?💡


P.S. The 24h, 8h endurance races are really broing. Instead of these boring events, I will suppress B-spec mode and have at most only 4h Endurance Races.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I like your list. There are some good race event ideas listed. Would I include some others? Oh yes.

You forgot about horsepower limited races. What's great about this type of race, it can be on its own, for any car to enter, with separate events for mod and non mod cars, as well as a separate event for race cars. Like this...

124 Limited Horsepower Stock Car

124 Limited Horsepower Tuned Car

238 Limited Horsepower Stock Car

238 Limited Horsepower Tuned Car

238 Limited Horsepower Race Car

And so forth, for 342, 491, 658 limited horsepower race events . To make limited hp races work, we would need restrictors in the form of a mix of say four restrictor plates that we can add to a car's engine. Say a 35 hp plate, a 75hp plate, a 123 plate and a 247 plate. That way you wouldn't be able to add a 247 plate to a 660hp Le Mans car like Pescarolo and enter it in the 342 limited hp race, or gain a huge advantage of entering it in the 491 limited hp race. Because, 660hp - 247 plate = 413hp. Also, you wouldn't be able to take a 480hp SuperGT car, add a 123hp restrictor plate and enter it in the 342 limited hp race event.

Now, on the other hand, you can have SuperGT 300 races, and SuperGT 500 races that wont allow restrictor plate cars. Actually, these races should be limited to just real SuperGT style race cars. Then, maybe have races for unlimited type of cars, but restricted to the hp level of either 300 or 500 hp. But, this time allowing the use of restrictor plates. So, like this...

GT 300 Championship Limited (limited to real JGTC cars)

GT 300 Championship Unlimited (Any Car w/wo plates)

GT 500 Championship Limited

GT 500 Championship Unlimited

You could then add the the hp limited races to say your "Japan vs. Europe" race events for an even wider variety of race events.

This, I hope, is how GT5 will be like. I want to see GT5 the game with the greatest variety of race events. Race events are the most fun aspect of the entire GT game series, and we need a nice change from the race event disaster of GT4.

 

[ket01084]

I like your list. There are some good race event ideas listed. Would I include some others? Oh yes.

You forgot about horsepower limited races. What's great about this type of race, it can be on its own, for any car to enter, with separate events for mod and non mod cars, as well as a separate event for race cars. Like this...

This, I hope, is how GT5 will be like. I want to see GT5 the game with the greatest variety of race events. Race events are the most fun aspect of the entire GT game series, and we need a nice change from the race event disaster of GT4.

If we include these events, you'll be able to play many cool classic cars that are too slow to drive in the Professional or Extreme Hall. You can have the chance to really play with the Mercedes SL 1954, the Jensen Interceptor, some 1970's Hondas, Mitsubishis, etc.

You can organize HP max limits with type of cars. You can have the following 100-200 HP races:

1900-1950 Golden Legends Classic: You can have a very interesting race where you can race with the Ford Model T, The Kharman Kia Coupe, Peugeot 360, the Citroen 2CV HP, the 1940 VW Bettle, and all interesting old cars with 20-60 HP.
1937 Classic Audi Cup: These event will be only played with 1937 silver Audi. It's a very crazy and funny car to drive.
1960's European, Japanese, American Classic Car Cup (in GT4 you only have it in the Japanese Version) Manufacturer's: Classic Jaguar, Classic Chevrolet, Classic Mercedes, and a Muscle Car Event with a restriction of 250 HP.
1970's European, Japanese, American 200 HP Classic
1980's You can have one 200 HP event per country
1990's You can have one 200 HP event per country or manufacturer (there are more cars)
2000's Don't forget that there are many nice cars on this area that deserve their own event.

You can also have these races, but now with a 250-400 HP limit, then you can enjoy playing very powerful cars and really take 'em to the edge. You don't really enjoy playing these cars on Beginner Hall's or Professional Hall's Events. Now, you will have a reason to drive the Plymouth Superbird, the Stingray, the Shelby Cobra, the fast AC classic car, the Pontiac Solstice, Mercedes CLK Compressor, the Audi Nuvollari Quatro, Audi Pikes Quatro, and Audi Le Mans, etc.

In the +/-400-600HP category, where available you will have these year events where you have cars with these requirements. You can now enjoy driving the Callaway, the Cizetta, the Jaguar XJ 220, other fast cars in their own events, and possibly a more challenging Truck Event.

Finally, I think that the Nike One 2022 and the Jay Leno Tank Car deserve their own event and the possibility to play them in some races (and not just in practice).

Yes, you'll have more events, but they don't necessarily make this game extremely long, each of these events can have 3-5 races, each with 3-10 laps.

 

[greenlightning]

I think that at least in GT4 there are pleanty of cars that can be grouped in to horsepower divisions. Then with tuning hp upgrades most can cross into higher hp divisions. I personally do not think the time to develope and implement restictor plates in the game would be worth while. Horsepower should be the number one method for developing great race events that would allow just about all the cars to be used in competive races.

 

[Dave A]

It wouldn't take much time to implement restrictor plates, and at the same time it goes inline with your idea of restricting races with horse power.

 

[Nattefrost]

There's a better ultimate solution than just HP and other restrictions in races. It's already in GT4 in the family cups, but should be further tweaked.

You should be able to enter any event with any car you like, and still have a challenging race. You shouldn't choose the right car for a race, the race should select the right opponents for your car. By relying on a number of parameters (which shouldn't be limited to just HP and weight), the game should select worthy opponents for you. This could go from cars in the exact same class (same HP, same weight, same stopping power, etc.) to cars with a lot less HP but a hell of a lot more handling in the corners to cars with heaps more HP but worthless brakes to.... Options are endless.

They could even combine this with an Enthusia style odds system. If you increase the difficulty on a race, you could walk away with a nice bonus. A no-collision bonus would be nice too, but that's a different story.

Only problem I see with this is people would ignore a lot of cars because they aren't required to use them anymore. So some restrictions are needed still. I don't know exactly how they should do it, but in any case there need to be events for each and every class of vehicle in the game. Events for FF's, FR's etc, events for SuperGT cars, events for touring cars, limitations concerning dimesions, concerning weight, country, buildyear, every limitation they could think of (which is obviously a lot more than I stated here).

Anything to make events more challenging and involving would be a huge improvement in the next GT. And that's what I'm expecting, a major change in the way the GT mode plays out. If it isn't there, it would be worse than not having damage, online, Ferrari or anything else (except better AI, which is the absolute most important of all). I'm counting on you PD.