Brady gets MVP...

[JCE]

...and doesn't deserve it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d805bfaa5&template=with-video&confirm=true

The New England Patriots' record-setting quarterback drew all but one vote Saturday in romping to The Associated Press 2007 NFL MVP Award

That one person that didn't vote for him is a very smart and respectable person.

Total bull****. He's on the best TEAM with the best PLAYERS, that doesn't mean he is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. The most valuable player should be chosen for the player that if injured the team would completely collapse. Anyone on this forum could be the QB for the Patriiots and still make the playoffs. The Patriots would easily still be in the top 5 teams if Brady got injured--that alone should negate him from the voting. Brett Favre should of won it this year over Brady, but I'm sure there are more deserving canidates than either of those two.

This is just more of the NFL lovefest with the Patriots. Can't say I'm surprised, but I still felt the need to rant.

 

[mustangGT90210]

They pick MVP based off production, not contribution to the team. Most of the time, the extreme production of the MVP's contributes a lot to the team, but it is chosen off of individual stat production.

I hate the Pats too. Let's go Jags/Bucs!​

 

[GrumpEone]

...and doesn't deserve it.
Total bull****. He's on the best TEAM with the best PLAYERS, that doesn't mean he is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. The most valuable player should be chosen for the player that if injured the team would completely collapse. Anyone on this forum could be the QB for the Patriiots and still make the playoffs. The Patriots would easily still be in the top 5 teams if Brady got injured--that alone should negate him from the voting. Brett Favre should of won it this year over Brady, but I'm sure there are more deserving canidates than either of those two.

This is just more of the NFL lovefest with the Patriots. Can't say I'm surprised, but I still felt the need to rant.

First off, probably not one of us could QB that offense, it is a precision passing, route intensive offense, but we would have all day to throw a pass, that O-line is superb. Brady is the real deal, smugness aside, yes he is lucky to have a great O-line to protect him, and excellent players to throw to, as well as a very good offensive system, but he still is the one who delivers the ball, he is the QB. Yet again the QB is the backbone of any team, thus it makes sense for the most productive team's QB to have the best stats, thus making him the best player, thus the MVP.

If you took Brady out of the offense, the Pats would have had easily lost at least 4 games, possibly many more. Having the best WR in the world doesn't matter if you can't get him the ball. All those 30+ point wins quickly become 3 point wins or a possible loss, without an efficient attack and time-consuming drives that that Brady can supply. Or maybe I'm just biased because I liked him at U-of-M!

They pick MVP based off production, not contribution to the team. Most of the time, the extreme production of the MVP's contributes a lot to the team, but it is chosen off of individual stat production.

I hate the Pats too. Let's go Jags/Bucs!​

The only way to beat the Pats, is to not let them have the ball. You have to exploit thier biggest weakness, which is thier Defense. But I could definitely see them going all the way. Go Pats!!!

 

[Kylehnat]

Wow. Just...wow. You really hate the Patriots. It's obvious to everyone under the sun that if Brady were hurt, the Patriots would have gone 0-16 instead. He isn't the best pure quarterback (Peyton Manning is a better thrower), but he is the smartest quarterback, and never has a lousy game. Favre is similarly important to his team, but he has had lousy games which cost him wins.

 

[GrumpEone]

Favre is similarly important to his team, but he has had lousy games which cost him wins.

Farve also bring more dedication out of his team, he is a true leader; he is not nearly as smart, efficient, or talented as Brady, but Farve makes everyone he plays with better. Farve has a stronger arm too, even at his age.

 

[Tornado]

There are other QBs that could have taken the Pats to the play-offs, and there are other QBs that could have taken them to the play-offs undefeated. The difference is that there aren't any other QBs that would have done those things in such predictable way as Brady did (it wouldn't have been such a sure thing with any other QBs).
I don't know if I agree that Brady deserves the unanimous voting that he nearly got, but he is most deserving of MVP regardless.

 

[JCE]

Wow. Just...wow. You really hate the Patriots.

Yes I do. they stand for everything a team should not stand for. They care about records, personal glory, and self promotion.

It's obvious to everyone under the sun that if Brady were hurt, the Patriots would have gone 0-16 instead.

I'm sorry but you definately must be under the influence of some sort of hallucenegic narcotic. You CANNOT be serious?

He isn't the best pure quarterback (Peyton Manning is a better thrower), but he is the smartest quarterback, and never has a lousy game. Favre is similarly important to his team, but he has had lousy games which cost him wins.

Brady is a good "system" QB, he is fairly smart but honestly he's not the god you make him out to be. Manning is so far superior. Favre gets more out of his teamates--they play infinitely better when he is on the field. That alone means he should win the MVP over Brady.

Farve also bring more dedication out of his team, he is a true leader; he is not nearly as smart, efficient, or talented as Brady, but Farve makes everyone he plays with better. Farve has a stronger arm too, even at his age.

*ding ding ding* We have a winnar ladies and gents!

There are other QBs that could have taken the Pats to the play-offs, and there are other QBs that could have taken them to the play-offs undefeated.

Excellent! That is quite my point.

The difference is that there aren't any other QBs that would have done those things in such predictable way as Brady did (it wouldn't have been such a sure thing with any other QBs).
I don't know if I agree that Brady deserves the unanimous voting that he nearly got, but he is most deserving of MVP regardless.

But here is where I think it fails. You know, just because he is on the best team doesn't automatically mean he should be the MVP. Just like Shaq should of never won his because he had a better player called Kobe on his team, and Steve Nash shouldn't of won his because he had Marion and Stoudemire.

The MVP award in American sports just like the All-Star/Pro-Bowl games are a popularity contest--as evidence by this year's NFL pick.

 

[Kylehnat]

Brady is a good "system" QB, he is fairly smart but honestly he's not the god you make him out to be.

Where the hell did I call him a god?

How many teams would rather have Brady as a starting quarterback? I'm guessing 25 or 26. Would the Patriots want to switch for Peyton Manning or Brett Favre? No.

 

[GrumpEone]

Where the hell did I call him a god?

How many teams would rather have Brady as a starting quarterback? I'm guessing 25 or 26. Would the Patriots want to switch for Peyton Manning or Brett Favre? No.

Either Brady or Manning could run nearly any offense in the league well. Manning is an excellent QB who excels in his 'scheme', but still has the draw back of getting rattled. Brady is a pocket QB with better decision making skills (than Manning), and is far better in his scheme, What brady lacks in physical ability, he more than makes up for, in football-intelligence.

Actually, I think the Lions' Kitna would be a decent fit with NE, but there are few QBs in the league that could do Brady's job well, in the NE system.

 

[Danoff]

Crap!!!

I actually agree with JCE.

Anyone can heave the ball in the direction of Randy Moss and hope he'll come down with it. Anyone can hit Wes Welker (even a dolphins QB for crying out loud). Garcia had no trouble taking advantage of Stallworth's skills. All three of these guys are play-makers capable of supporting a team's passing game - putting them together makes the job really easy on the QB. Especially when the O-line gives Brady about an hour to throw each pass.

There is no way that anyone on the new england patriots team deserves the MVP. They're simply too good a team to rely so heavily on one player.

I vote for Steve Hutchinson.

 

[Kylehnat]

Shaun Alexander (circa 2006-2007) would agree with you.

 

[Danoff]

Shaun Alexander (circa 2006-2007) would agree with you.

...and Adrian Peterson this year I imagine. Funny how he left Seattle and Shaun Alexander suddenly sucks while Adrian Peterson is setting records as a rookie.

Since Peterson is somewhat replaceable by Chester Taylor, it seems like Hutchinson is the most important viking by far. Quite possibly more important to his team than any other player.

I'd also entertain notions of Shaun Taylor (after his murder), or possibly Albert Haynesworth (who I really dislike, but is absolutely critical to the Titans). Vince Young should possibly have won it last year, but LT was a decent call.

 

[JCE]

Crap!!!

I actually agree with JCE.

Welcome to the dark side.

 

[Tornado]

But here is where I think it fails. You know, just because he is on the best team doesn't automatically mean he should be the MVP.

That is not what I said. I said that there are very few other QBs that could have done what Brady helped lead his team to do. Could Manning? Maybe. Could Favre? With practice.
But, lets face it, around the 8th week, when the Pats started steamrolling everything that moved, who didn't think they could go 16-0, even if you didn't want them to? My point was that I don't think any other QB could have made that as obvious of a thing as Brady did, even if it was only because he was so used to the team.
I think that Favre deserved it more, because he essentially carries his team around in some games (when he play good, the whole team does). But its hard to quantify something like that, and hard to back up, because you don't have hard data to support your decision. In Brady's case, they do.

 

[Kylehnat]

Let's not forget that Brady won three Superbowls passing to the likes of Patten, Givens, Gaffney, and Brown. Those aren't exactly Hall of Fame receivers. The man must have some ability.

 

[Omnis]

Yeah but those weren't from this season.

Actually, I think that if they give Brady the MVP, it MUST be shared with his O-line. ANYBODY can pass that well when they can stay in the pocket for 10 seconds. The Patriots pass protection is so good that Brady doesn't even have to move. He won't shift his feet more than twice before throwing the ball.

 

[GrumpEone]

26-28, 262yds 3TD, and no Randy Moss; against a good Jaguar team!
and 11 of those were to RBs in the flats... Brady is a damn efficient QB, on the best team.

Do you all still think he didn't deserve the MVP?¿? Just because he has a good O-line dosen't discount his abilities.

The NE O-line, is probably one of the best since maybe the 90s Dallas teams, and Troy was never as efficient, and he had a superb downhill running RB, too.

 

[Omnis]

His pass protection is just sick, though.

That's why I hate football. "Skill" positions are so damn overrated.

 

[Danoff]

Much as it pains me to say it (because I hate Favre), Favre would have been a better choice.

 

[SS69]

How can you hate Farve? I can understand not liking the team, but Ive never met a person who didnt like Farve.

 

[Danoff]

How can you hate Farve? I can understand not liking the team, but Ive never met a person who didnt like Farve.

Overrated. He's a "gunslinger" in the worst possible sense of the word. He's the anti-Brady (who I also hate). He's impatient, and it often gets him into a lot of trouble. When the team is down, he's horrible (remember him leading the league in interceptions? even while rex grossman was still starting???), when the team is up, he can look good.

I just don't like the heaps and heaps of praise he gets with fairly erratic QB play.

 

[GrumpEone]

How can you hate Farve? I can understand not liking the team, but Ive never met a person who didnt like Farve.

I don't like him either, but I do respect what the guy can do on the field, and more to the point, what he does in the locker room. He should have been a closer 2nd for MVP, but how can you argue with the Undefeated QB getting it.

 

[Danoff]

I don't like him either, but I do respect what the guy can do on the field, and more to the point, what he does in the locker room. He should have been a closer 2nd for MVP, but how can you argue with the Undefeated QB getting it.

Easy.

Anyone can heave the ball in the direction of Randy Moss and hope he'll come down with it. Anyone can hit Wes Welker (even a dolphins QB for crying out loud). Garcia had no trouble taking advantage of Stallworth's skills. All three of these guys are play-makers capable of supporting a team's passing game - putting them together makes the job really easy on the QB. Especially when the O-line gives Brady about an hour to throw each pass.

There is no way that anyone on the new england patriots team deserves the MVP. They're simply too good a team to rely so heavily on one player.

 

[GrumpEone]

Easy.

Yes but if you took out Farve, GB is a .500 or less team, and the same goes with Brady, you remove him and NE is a .500 team.

But then again, Trent Dilfer does have a SB Ring, so it's not always the QB who's most important, but neither GB or NE have that scary of a Defence.

 

[Danoff]

Yes but if you took out Farve, GB is a .500 or less team, and the same goes with Brady, you remove him and NE is a .500 team.

I'll go along with Farve, but not Brady. Even a crappy QB (culpepper??) can hit randy moss. Especially if the o-line is as good as NE's.

Hmmm... maybe Derek Anderson for MVP.

 

[GrumpEone]

I'll go along with Farve, but not Brady. Even a crappy QB (culpepper??) can hit randy moss. Especially if the o-line is as good as NE's.

Hmmm... maybe Derek Anderson for MVP.

Well, I guess with a month to throw a pass, it makes it eaiser, but he still has to hit a target. He is good in his system (tailored around him), and that kinda the point too, the offense is designed for his style of play, Culpepper would still try and improvise, and screw-up like he always does.

If Brady was on the Lions though his stats would be similar to Kitna's (maybe lower), because Kitna is used to running for his life.

How about Michael Vick, Look at what happend to the Falcons. MVP or LVP??

 

[Danoff]

How about Michael Vick, Look at what happend to the Falcons. MVP or LVP??

The Falcons weren't so great before the loss of Vick. They lost Vick and two coaches this year though. So I don't really blame them for sucking worse.

Still, better than the dolphins.

 

[GrumpEone]

The Falcons weren't so great before the loss of Vick. They lost Vick and two coaches this year though. So I don't really blame them for sucking worse.

Still, better than the dolphins.

Actually they did better than I thought they would after the Vick fiasco, Guess it's time to rebuild in Atlanta huh.


How about a Marino Comeback...lol
I really liked that guy, almost his whole career he was the Dolphins MVP. Poor guy, no support=no ring.

 

[JCE]

26-28, 262yds 3TD, and no Randy Moss; against a good Jaguar team!
and 11 of those were to RBs in the flats... Brady is a damn efficient QB, on the best team.

Do you all still think he didn't deserve the MVP?¿? Just because he has a good O-line dosen't discount his abilities.

The NE O-line, is probably one of the best since maybe the 90s Dallas teams, and Troy was never as efficient, and he had a superb downhill running RB, too.

Exactly, without the OTHER PLAYERS Brady wouldn't do anything. Brady is a .500 QB, the Patriots without Brady are easily .750 or 10-6 or better.

How can you hate Farve? I can understand not liking the team, but Ive never met a person who didnt like Farve.

+1 He's a very likable guy, and he is as tough as you can get for a QB. He's still in amazing shape...I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play a few more years. But after throwing that INT that ultimately buired them maybe GB fans won't want him back?

Yes but if you took out Farve, GB is a .500 or less team, and the same goes with Brady, you remove him and NE is a .500 team.

But then again, Trent Dilfer does have a SB Ring, so it's not always the QB who's most important, but neither GB or NE have that scary of a Defence.

NE is more than a .500 team without Brady, I'm serious he isn't the god everyone makes him out to be.

 

[Kylehnat]

Why are you still fixated on this?