Cadillac CTS-V Plus

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Spotters at the 'Ring have seen GM testing a high-po Cadillac CTS-V, dubbed the CTS-V Plus. It is supposed to have the LS2 with 450-500 hp. Although production plans have not been confirmed, I think GM is obviously setting its targets on the new 500 hp M5, which should get a run for it's money. Look at those flared wheel arches! (Could this mean that it has AWD? And would that be a positive or a negative?)

From http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7121&sid=178&n=158
And the requisite pictures.

 

[PSG]

I've also heard that it's called the CTS-V Super, and that more information will be available at the Detroit Auto Show in January. I haven't picked up the Jan. issue of Motor Trend, but there's supposed to be a blurb about this too.

 

[Ev0]

Is it just me, or do those tires look a little too small?

But a 500hp CTS-V would be truly sick, and it would certainly send a message to BMW that they are serious competitors.

And I think AWD would be a great addition to the car. With 500hp extra traction can't hurt, and it would also give it extra practicality for countries with lots of rain and/or snow.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I've also heard that it's called the CTS-V Super, and that more information will be available at the Detroit Auto Show in January. I haven't picked up the Jan. issue of Motor Trend, but there's supposed to be a blurb about this too.

It only says:

"Cadillac is mulling an ultra-high-power version of the CTS-v."

There's a picture labeled Cadillac CTS-v Super and under it they wrote, "Fender pumped for wider wheels and bigger tires. Hood scoop could mean 515-horsepower supercharged LS2 or the rumored 600-plus-horsepower, 7.0 liter Corvette Blue Devil v-8."

 

[ND4SPD]

This thing is gonna be badass. Love it in black with those black rims.

 

[98cobra]

That thing looks mean.

 

[1X83Z]

This is stupid. If they aren't going to make the V-series the top trim, then what the hell is the point? Audi gets away with an S6 and an RS6, but I'm not sure that Cadillac does.

 

[Revheadnz]

Wow that is one nice looking car. And if it does have the 600+hp 7.0L then it will truly show the Germans what they are dealing with. Looks much nicer than an M5. 👍

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

Jeez, everytime I see a luxury car like this, it makes me think all over again how NOW luxury cars are going to be FASTER than ever! BTW nice car! 👍

 

[pimp racer]

This is stupid. If they aren't going to make the V-series the top trim, then what the hell is the point? Audi gets away with an S6 and an RS6, but I'm not sure that Cadillac does.

Yeah really I agree with you WTF is the point? Next its gonna be the CTS-V super plus. Or somthing really stupid and WTF is up with the hood scoop or whatever it is?

 

[The359]

This is stupid. If they aren't going to make the V-series the top trim, then what the hell is the point? Audi gets away with an S6 and an RS6, but I'm not sure that Cadillac does.

Actually Audi has an RS6 Plus as well...

And the hood scoop is a "power bulge", to help fit the engine into the bay.

I bet this wont get the LS2, it'll likely get the "LS7", or whatever they call the engine that will go into the new Z06.

 

[87chevy]

Who cares what it is called??? It's simply a bad@$$ looking sedan that could quite possibly be very bad@$$ under the hood as well

 

[inferno]

I bet this wont get the LS2, it'll likely get the "LS7", or whatever they call the engine that will go into the new Z06.

That sounds about right. As the new "LS7" is rumored to produce 500 hp in the Corvett. (the same as whats rumored for this car) And the current CTS-V allready has the 400 horse LS2 under the hood.

 

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And the current CTS-V allready has the 400 horse LS2 under the hood.

It has the LS6 (from the C5 Z06), but detuned to 400 hp.

Looks like a very positive response. Also, the website I got these pics from said that the hoodscoop would be likely to dissapear in production form.

 

[1X83Z]

Obviously it would use the six-liter, the new "performance engine" over there.

 

[JNasty4G63]

.....And the hood scoop is a "power bulge", to help fit the engine into the bay.

Regardless of what "LS" engine they put in, the bulge on the hood seems pretty cosmetic to me. All of the variants of the LS engine are different internally. If they got the LS6 in, which they did, any engine in the LS family will fit without need for modding the hood or engine bay. More than likely, its just a cosmetic touch to help show externally that its the "Plus" model, or whatever they call it.

Hilg

 

[Iceman]

That looks pretty agressive, and 500hp doesn't hurt 👍.

 

[PublicSecrecy]

Who tf would drive a 600hp Caddilac? Just so you can die in luxury? Also, Americans have always answered to competition the same way every single time to the Germans: more power. "Well we cant offer anything else so lets just throw in another 150hp and torque and throw in a flare here and there. And dont forget hoodscoops, hoodscoops look fast and people like fast. Especially the 90% of our drivers who are over 60. " Like omg you retards, the M5 practically needs all that power. Im not saying it doesnt haul ass but anything short of 350 would make the M5 under powered. And Cadillac....get a life. The car looks fat. Not phat. FAT. It looks mean yes, but mean people can also be fat and usually are.

[edit] I'm surprised they arent putting a Hemi in it, along with Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep hehehehehehe [edit]

 

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What is to say that the Cadillac doesn't need all that power? It can clearly handle it, lapping Nurburing the way it does (I will selectively ignore any reports of axlehop at launch )

Cadillac is simply joining in the horsepower wars that have been going on between German marques for quite a few years now, to show that it can indeed play with the big dogs. To prove that it is "the Standard of America" and not "American Standard".

EDIT: and as to your Hemi comment, get your marques straight. Hemi is Daimler-chrysler. Caddy is a GM brand.

 

[///M-Spec]

I'd be amazed if those arches made production, nevermind the hood scoop.

Suggested name. Just drop the V. If this thing is supposed to remind you of a race car, call it the CTS-WC500 (as in World Challenge, where the CTS-V is kicking butt and taking names, 500, as in the hp)

Who tf would drive a 600hp Caddilac? Just so you can die in luxury? Also, Americans have always answered to competition the same way every single time to the Germans: more power. "Well we cant offer anything else so lets just throw in another 150hp and torque and throw in a flare here and there. And dont forget hoodscoops, hoodscoops look fast and people like fast. Especially the 90% of our drivers who are over 60. " Like omg you retards, the M5 practically needs all that power. Im not saying it doesnt haul ass but anything short of 350 would make the M5 under powered.

I really don't even know where to begin with this one... 500 hp in an M5 is okay, but 500 hp in a CTS is not? Why?


M

 

[PublicSecrecy]

What is to say that the Cadillac doesn't need all that power? It can clearly handle it, lapping Nurburing the way it does (I will selectively ignore any reports of axlehop at launch )

Cadillac is simply joining in the horsepower wars that have been going on between German marques for quite a few years now, to show that it can indeed play with the big dogs. To prove that it is "the Standard of America" and not "American Standard".

EDIT: and as to your Hemi comment, get your marques straight. Hemi is Daimler-chrysler. Caddy is a GM brand.

...omg i know that. I knew someone wouldnt pick up on the sarcasm so im going to say it: I REALIZE THAT DAIMLER/CHRYSLER / BENZ/DODGE/JEEP ARE INDEPENDANT FROM GM/CHEVY/CADDY/PONTIAC ETC. I WAS MAKING FUN OF AMERICAN CARS AS A WHOLE. Also, European and Japanese cars aren't engaged in so much of a horsepower war as a technology war, the american car companies just know that when people hear "500hp" they immediately think a car is good, whereas Japanese/Asian car and European car manufacturers are more likeluy to lean towards special features, technology, practicality and comfort to sell their cars.

Edit: isnt American Standard a toiletry company?

I really don't even know where to begin with this one... 500 hp in an M5 is okay, but 500 hp in a CTS is not? Why?

Ok, 500 or 600hp in a Caddy seems a bit much, and highly american. The 500hp in an M5 is not quite expected, but highly welcomed, as the M5 iis not directed as a luxury car for old lead-foot geezers (unlike Caddillacs 75% of buyers). Giving an old man or woman a 500hp car would be like giving a firecracker to a 2 yr old. Someone's going to get hurt. And a good analogy also seem to be the older they are, the bigger the car. When u have an old lady/man behind 500 horses in a 195inch long car u better watch ur ass hope they know how to use proper braking maneuvres. Also, i wasnt saying it wasnt ok, its just that most people who can handle that or even put it to good use are the younger crowd (many of whom cant even afford a new Cadillac). Also, the M5 is a decked out 5-series. The caddy beast seems to be its own model.

 

[The359]

Ok, 500 or 600hp in a Caddy seems a bit much, and highly american. The 500hp in an M5 is not quite expected, but highly welcomed

So no one expects a 500hp Cadillac or BMW, but the BMW is magically welcomed while the Cadillac is not? Fault in logic #1.

as the M5 iis not directed as a luxury car for old lead-foot geezers (unlike Caddillacs 75% of buyers).

Over 75% of Cadillac's model lineup isn't even the CTS-V. Just the same as over 75% of the BMW model lineup isn't the M5. Fault in logic #2.

Giving an old man or woman a 500hp car would be like giving a firecracker to a 2 yr old. Someone's going to get hurt.

Tell that to Mario Andretti. Fault in logic #3. The kind of person in the market for a CTS-V or CTS-V Plus is not an old man with no experience. The CTS-V is meant for a younger crowd then that. Fault in logic #4.

And a good analogy also seem to be the older they are, the bigger the car. When u have an old lady/man behind 500 horses in a 195inch long car u better watch ur ass hope they know how to use proper braking maneuvres.

Only old people can buy more car then they can handle? And only with a Cadillac? Fault in logic #5.

Also, i wasnt saying it wasnt ok, its just that most people who can handle that or even put it to good use are the younger crowd (many of whom cant even afford a new Cadillac). Also, the M5 is a decked out 5-series. The caddy beast seems to be its own model.

The CTS-V is a...DECKED OUT CTS *gasp* who knew?! That's not even a fault in logic, that's just stupid.

Now how many young people do you know who can afford a $80,000 M5? Probably less young people then who can afford a $50,000 CTS-V. Fault in Logic #god only knows how many...

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[JNasty4G63]

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Totally!!! I don't think he knows whats going on with cars like these.

Hilg

 

[1X83Z]

Cadillac doesn't even sell cars to old people anymore. If you compare their lineup of 1994 to their lineup of 2004, they're easily the most-improved brand, with the possible exceptions of Nissan, Infiniti, and Volkswagen. Far-and-away the most improved domestic brand, though. Cadillac still sells Devilles - but all the other "old people cars" have either been redesigned sharply (Seville -> STS; Catera -> CTS; Eldorado -> XLR) or cancelled outright (Fleetwood Brougham). These days, if an old person walks into a Cadillac dealership, they turn him away. Kind of like minorities at Saab dealers...

 

[///M-Spec]

Ok, 500 or 600hp in a Caddy seems a bit much, and highly american. The 500hp in an M5 is not quite expected, but highly welcomed, as the M5 iis not directed as a luxury car for old lead-foot geezers (unlike Caddillacs 75% of buyers).

The average age of a BMW 3-Series buyer is 42.
5-Series buyer is 48.
7-Series buyer is 55.
Audi owners: 44
Mercedes-Benz owner: 49.
Lexus? 51.
Porsche 911? 52.
The average age of a Cadillac CTS buyer? 50.

The CTS buyer is no more a geezer than a typical BMW buyer. I myself, at aged 31 am at the younger end of BMW's owner demographic.

Giving an old man or woman a 500hp car would be like giving a firecracker to a 2 yr old. Someone's going to get hurt.

...SNIP...

Also, i wasnt saying it wasnt ok, its just that most people who can handle that or even put it to good use are the younger crowd

This would be borderline funny if it weren't so obviously divorced from reality. I guess only a 16 year old would actually believe older people are more dangerous than younger people behind the wheel of performance cars.

Tell you what: You go ask your insurance agent how much it costs to insure a non-married 16 year old male who drives a... say... 2004 BMW M3. Then find out how much it costs to insure a married 50 year old driving the same car. Assume clean driver's records for both. Get back to me and we'll pick up from there.


M

 

[Ev0]

Ok, 500 or 600hp in a Caddy seems a bit much, and highly american. The 500hp in an M5 is not quite expected, but highly welcomed, as the M5 iis not directed as a luxury car for old lead-foot geezers (unlike Caddillacs 75% of buyers). Giving an old man or woman a 500hp car would be like giving a firecracker to a 2 yr old. Someone's going to get hurt. And a good analogy also seem to be the older they are, the bigger the car. When u have an old lady/man behind 500 horses in a 195inch long car u better watch ur ass hope they know how to use proper braking maneuvres. Also, i wasnt saying it wasnt ok, its just that most people who can handle that or even put it to good use are the younger crowd (many of whom cant even afford a new Cadillac). Also, the M5 is a decked out 5-series. The caddy beast seems to be its own model.

Ever heard of this guy named Paul Newman? He would absolutely obliterate you at anything to do with motorsports, and he's in his late 70s.

@ ///M-Spec - I guarantee you in Ontario it would cost around $100,000 a year to insure a 16 year old male on a 2004 M3 (Rates for drivers of said age and gender are normally well over 100% of the vehicle's value). For a 50 year old driver, I'd guess anywhere between 5-10k.

 

[1X83Z]

You go ask your insurance agent how much it costs to insure a non-married 16 year old male who drives a... say... 2004 BMW M3. Then find out how much it costs to insure a married 50 year old driving the same car. Assume clean driver's records for both. Get back to me and we'll pick up from there.

I had to make a few more stipulations you didn't account for:

- Michigan state minimum insurance plus collision and comprehensive coverage, since any M3 owner would get those two unless he/she was ugly and/or stupid
- Primary use: five-mile commute to work
- Vehicle: 2004 BMW M3 coupe

With these in place:

- 16-year-old: $4800/6
- 50-year-old: $1130/6

Take out collision and comprehensive coverage, though, and they both slip below $500/6. But if you're not going to get collision or comprehensive, you're boned if you have a wreck, especially in an M3.

 

[PSG]

Regardless of the negative things said about this car, if this was one of those threads where everyone posts pictures of hot girls, I'd say "I'd hit it."

I'm glad to see that Cadillac is back in it.

 

[RandomHero]

Don't dealers require full coverage insurance on any car that is not fully paid off? So unless you have the money to outright buy a 2004 BMW M3, you couldn't get away with not having to pay collision and the such.

 

[1X83Z]

Don't dealers require full coverage insurance on any car that is not fully paid off? So unless you have the money to outright buy a 2004 BMW M3, you couldn't get away with not having to pay collision and the such.

Fair point, I never even considered it. Imagine - $8900 a year with state minimum coverage (plus collision and comprehensive, but with a deductible). God knows what it would be with full coverage. And I used my ZIP code, where there hasn't been a car theft in God knows how long. I can't imagine what it would be in Gary, Indiana. Actually, I can - think $20000 pa.