Campaign needs more books , therefore races.

[tothesz]

Hi all,
I am about to finish the game and I just can't hold my thoughts in. This game had the potential to be so much more. PD made the wrong decisions where you wouldn't expect them to do so. The Campaign has a lot of problems like "chase the rabbit format" and the variety.

The variety hurts me the most because in a game full of content like this it just seems obvious to have it but the variety of Campaign races in this state is a joke. We have a lot of car categories being compeletly missed out in the game that "wants to teach you about cars".

Road cars
The Kei car book was cut. You don't need to collect any supercars except the Ferraris, so you won't have a series like Supercar festival. We got new track toys(Radical, BAC and the old one KTM), the campaign just doesn’t care about them.
We did not get to know the Vipers, the classic European GT cars, the modern European GT cars, the rotary Mazda models (Despite the Partnership) and so on...

Race cars
There are plenty of historic race cars and there isn't a single book about them. What about the Le Mans racers? You should buy them after grinding a month or spending a ton of money for credits in the historic car dealer instead of learning something about them and racing them in the Campaign.
No GT500 and LMP1? No cart racing in the Campaign? (It could have been a perfect beginner championship)
No One Make races?
What about the hypercars tuned for track?

Don't get me wrong, I like the Café structure of the Campaign. It just feels like they ran out of enthusiasm midway. They failed to make an impression of progression. They gave us a Campaign that could be done with the content of GT5 prolouge.

Anyone in this forum could make up at least ten more books of cars. Why couldn't do it PD then?

As long as GTS provides more variety of races, this is a failure.

 

[meekrab]

I agree with you, I expected a lot of that stuff to appear after completing the menu books, but nope. We just got half a Gran Turismo game.

 

[Batschisane52]

Don't get me wrong, I like the Café structure of the Campaign. It just feels like they ran out of enthusiasm midway. They failed to make an impression of progression. They gave us a Campaign that could be done with the content of GT5 prolouge.

It feels more, that they weren't finish yet with everything, but Sony forced them to put out the game instead of postponing the release for another month or two...

 

[Nielsen]

I agree with you, I expected a lot of that stuff to appear after completing the menu books, but nope. We just got half a Gran Turismo game.

More like a quarter of a GT game.

 

[Yard_Sale]

The word from people in the know is that new menu books will be part of the regular updates

 

[tothesz]

The word from people in the know is that new menu books will be part of the regular updates

Sure, that would be a welcome thing in the case of books that feature future update cars. But now, we have the content and we don't have a Campaign that touches that content.

 

[XSquareStickIt]

Variety is one thing, but if the races are all chase the rabbit and the AI is still dumb, I'd much rather buy the cars myself and run them in time trails.

 

[tothesz]

Variety is one thing, but if the races are all chase the rabbit and the AI is still dumb, I'd much rather buy the cars myself and run them in time trails.

You will mostly have money from the Campaign. So, why not add more variety and make at least this good?

 

[Lux Klonoa]

The word from people in the know is that new menu books will be part of the regular updates

I'd really prefer something like the GT League UI again, though, instead of this messy way of having to go through the Cafe and World Circuits menus.

 

[Lomic]

run them in time trails.

of which mileage won't be counted (either for daily workout or for your global mileage...)

 

[XSquareStickIt]

You will mostly have money from the Campaign. So, why not add more variety and make at least this good?

The problem is that the vast majority of campaign races don't pay well. The only way I can afford anything right now is to grind Fisherman's Ranch. Now if the point of arguing for more campaign races was to offer more variety in lucrative races, I'd be all for that. But that's not how it was framed for me. It was about the variety of cars we never got to use.

If I wanted to appreciate a car's history, I'd Google it. If I wanted to appreciate how a car drives, I'd time trail it. The brain dead campaign races wherein you get smashed, blocked, and brake checked by the AI only helps me appreciate the AI in other games.

I just personally find that the campaign races are a frustrating slog is all. I'd rather run Fisherman's on my own after overtaking the AI at the first chicane and earn enough to buy an overpriced RX-7 than to have to "race" a whole field of them driven by AI that would've been laughable two decades ago.

 

[Batschisane52]

The only way I can afford anything right now is to grind Fisherman's Ranch.

Why don't you grind the other two Rally Races: Sardegna and Colorado...they take only between 30 and 40 seconds longerper session than Fisherman's and have the same high pay out...

 

[Yard_Sale]

Variety is one thing, but if the races are all chase the rabbit and the AI is still dumb, I'd much rather buy the cars myself and run them in time trails.

I'd really prefer something like the GT League UI again, though, instead of this messy way of having to go through the Cafe and World Circuits menus.

From what I hear, the updates are going to feature new menu books, missions, and new campaign races… more specifically, 🌶 races. All of this stuff is already pre-programmed and was purposely held back at launch

Of course, you’re going to get people who bitch and moan on why PD didn’t give us the full game from launch. I for one however, think it’s smart of them. Keep a steady drip of new content coming to keep people hyped about the game, and to in a way…. “Season” new players to the franchise early in the lifespan of the game so they’ll be ready for the more challenging content when it comes.

Of course it goes without saying that probably a part of PD’s and Sony’s motivation to keep the pre-programmed DLC at a constant drip, is also to harvest more $$$ via MTX. Smart from a business aspect if you ask me. Shady, but smart.

And like @XSquareStickIt, I also love to just TT. Part of the reason I just ordered a shifter set for my rig, so I can drive some of the cars more authentically and enjoy this game even more

 

[tothesz]

@XSquareStickIt It is all true. PD should be blamed for their AI and the way they find it funny to give them a 40sec lead in every race.
The thing is, this is a part of the game that should be rebuilt from the ground up.
Meanwhile the variety of the Campaign is a thing that would never require the resources of an AI developement, still they manage to fail. That is embarrassing and this thread is driven by this embarrassment.

 

[Samus]

Why don't you grind the other two Rally Races: Sardegna and Colorado...they take only between 30 and 40 seconds longerper session than Fisherman's and have the same high pay out...

..and what if we don't want to do questionable quality rallying in Gran Turismo?

 

[tothesz]

From what I hear, the updates are going to feature new menu books, missions, and new campaign races… more specifically, 🌶 races. All of this stuff is already pre-programmed and was purposely held back at launch

Of course, you’re going to get people who bitch and moan on why PD didn’t give us the full game from launch. I for one however, think it’s smart of them. Keep a steady drip of new content coming to keep people hyped about the game, and to in a way…. “Season” new players to the franchise early in the lifespan of the game so they’ll be ready for the more challenging content when it comes.

Of course it goes without saying that probably a part of PD’s and Sony’s motivation to keep the pre-programmed DLC at a constant drip, is also to harvest more $$$ via MTX. Smart from a business aspect if you ask me. Shady, but smart.

And like @XSquareStickIt, I also love to just TT. Part of the reason I just ordered a shifter set for my rig, so I can drive some of the cars more authentically and enjoy this game even more

If we look at it in the business point of view, I would say this is not the Campaign of a $70 game.

 

[Samus]

From what I hear, the updates are going to feature new menu books, missions, and new campaign races… more specifically, 🌶 races. All of this stuff is already pre-programmed and was purposely held back at launch

Of course, you’re going to get people who bitch and moan on why PD didn’t give us the full game from launch. I for one however, think it’s smart of them. Keep a steady drip of new content coming to keep people hyped about the game, and to in a way…. “Season” new players to the franchise early in the lifespan of the game so they’ll be ready for the more challenging content when it comes.

Yeah but that's just telling customers in future - "Don't buy our game at launch, we'll purposely hold a chunk of it back. Just buy it 18 months later when we've finished it. It'll cost a third of the price and you'll get 300% more content".

Not a good tactic in the long term. Sure, there will still be plenty of people who have to get the game day one, but they're the dedicated fans. The casual millions with a take it or leave it attitude are more likely to leave it for now.

 

[Yard_Sale]

If we look at it in the business point of view, I would say this is not the Campaign of a $70 game.

Agreed. But you and I still bought it, didn’t we? Mission accomplished!

DLC (free and paid) is an integral part of the lifespan of any game these days. Lucky for us, the DLC is free.

Not to mention, I think we’re going to see PS5 only updates in the near future (my original guess was 2 years. Then 18 months after I saw the state of play event. Now my estimate is 1 year tops). The writing is on the wall as they already separate PS4 and PS5 players in sport mode… I’m not sure about lobbies tho.

See @Imari, I told you I’d be right 😜

Yeah but that's just telling customers in future - "Don't buy our game at launch, we'll purposely hold a chunk of it back. Just buy it 18 months later when we've finished it. It'll cost a third of the price and you'll get 300% more content".


Not a good tactic in the long term. Sure, there will still be plenty of people who have to get the game day one, but they're the dedicated fans. The casual millions with a take it or leave it attitude are more likely to leave it for now.

The casual game will be none-the-wiser to the “incomplete” game my friend.

Trust me when I say that Sony and PD are businesses first, only accountable in the end to share holders. Companies like them…. Hire other companies to run the metrics to see what the cost vs returns of decisions like this will be. Clearly the numbers are in their favor to pursue this business model. Wether we like it or not

 

[tothesz]

Agreed. But you and I still bought it, didn’t we? Mission accomplished!

DLC (free and paid) is an integral part of the lifespan of any game these days. Lucky for us, the DLC is free.

Not to mention, I think we’re going to see PS5 only updates in the near future (my original guess was 2 years. Then 18 months after I saw the state of play event. Now my estimate is 1 year tops). The writing is on the wall as they already separate PS4 and PS5 players in sport mode… I’m not sure about lobbies tho.

See @Imari, I told you I’d be right 😜

Oh man, the truth you are telling me makes me sad.😩

 

[Samus]

The casual game will be none-the-wiser to the “incomplete” game my friend.

Trust me when I say that Sony and PD are businesses first, only accountable in the end to share holders. Companies like them…. Hire other companies to run the metrics to see what the cost vs returns of decisions like this will be. Clearly the numbers are in their favor to pursue this business model. Wether we like it or not

Sure they will, unless they've got the memory of a goldfish. If they buy one GT game every console, they're going to notice that this one was incredibly short.

Also it's not just casual fans. I'm not a casual fan, I'm not buying it until they've added more content.

Sure, they've decided it will work but that doesn't meant it'll be true forever. There are lots of times companies have decided a business model will work, right up until the point it doesn't. Some are even so stubborn in sticking to their model that they go out of business entirely (Blackberry, for example).

 

[Yard_Sale]

Sure they will, unless they've got the memory of a goldfish. If they buy one GT game every console, they're going to notice that this one was incredibly short.

Also it's not just casual fans. I'm not a casual fan, I'm not buying it until they've added more content.

Sure, they've decided it will work but that doesn't meant it'll be true forever. There are lots of times companies have decided a business model will work, right up until the point it doesn't. Some are even so stubborn in sticking to their model that they go out of business entirely (Blackberry, for example).

Luckily for companies like PD and Sony, the majority of the run of the mill consumers these days are either oblivious, or do have the memory of a goldfish…. Or have a case of FOMO.

 

[Joey D]

I'm sure more stuff will be added in the coming weeks and months. It would be relatively easy for them to add additional menu books or missions. So far, I'm only on like menu book 14 or something, so I still have some time before I run into the wall of not being able to do anything. I haven't even touched the races outside of what's required for the menus either, or even the missions. Personally, I haven't really found the game to be lacking in content at the moment outside the terrible refresh rate on the used car dealership.

 

[Lomic]

Yeah but that's just telling customers in future - "Don't buy our game at launch, we'll purposely hold a chunk of it back. Just buy it 18 months later when we've finished it. It'll cost a third of the price and you'll get 300% more content".

Exactly the way I used to buy my PS4 titles, and I bought the PS4 years after the launch too. Bought GTS cheap, HZD hugely cheaper, Skyrim I am ashamed to say the price, NMS cheap too.

But I managed to get a PS5 for christmas and was waiting GT7 to be released. There are things I like and others I dislike. And I am optimistic for the future of the title.

 

[Lux Klonoa]

new menu books

So exactly how many menu books were there supposed to be anyway? Seeing how the events only go up to National A, I'm gonna guess half of what we first got.

 

[Samus]

So exactly how many menu books were there supposed to be anyway? Seeing how the events only go up to National A, I'm gonna guess half of what we first got.

One person with an "inside source" says 50, another who has dug into the game files through less-than-intended methods says 59. Either way day one buyers have been shafted.

The latter also says that the extra events are all sat locked on the server but unless you're Jimmy Fallon, you can't play them. Yet.

 

[Race_Fit]

From what I hear, the updates are going to feature new menu books, missions, and new campaign races… more specifically, 🌶 races. All of this stuff is already pre-programmed and was purposely held back at launch

Of course, you’re going to get people who bitch and moan on why PD didn’t give us the full game from launch. I for one however, think it’s smart of them. Keep a steady drip of new content coming to keep people hyped about the game, and to in a way…. “Season” new players to the franchise early in the lifespan of the game so they’ll be ready for the more challenging content when it comes.

Of course it goes without saying that probably a part of PD’s and Sony’s motivation to keep the pre-programmed DLC at a constant drip, is also to harvest more $$$ via MTX. Smart from a business aspect if you ask me. Shady, but smart.

And like @XSquareStickIt, I also love to just TT. Part of the reason I just ordered a shifter set for my rig, so I can drive some of the cars more authentically and enjoy this game even more

I would say their choice was a mistake. Without more races to do people will stop playing the game, as I've slowed down playing.
Even from an incredibly pessimistic view of "selling mtx", people who stop playing the game aren't ever going to pay for mtx.

I mentioned this in the other thread, but custom championships would solve this for me as that would essentially let me create my own Cafe books and really it's the championships I want to play.

And before people make some kind of "rushing" argument, you need to "rush" to unlock everything in the game.

 

[Yard_Sale]

I would say their choice was a mistake. Without more races to do people will stop playing the game, as I've slowed down playing.
Even from an incredibly pessimistic view of "selling mtx", people who stop playing the game aren't ever going to pay for mtx.

I mentioned this in the other thread, but custom championships would solve this for me as that would essentially let me create my own Cafe books and really it's the championships I want to play.

And before people make some kind of "rushing" argument, you need to "rush" to unlock everything in the game.

I have zero data to back this next claim up, but I would bet my paycheck that the vast majority of people who are playing this game, are nowhere near 100% completion yet. I do get a kick out of the people who have played 10 hours a day since launch, and then complain there’s not enough content once they’ve put 100 hours into the game.

I’ve been strategically pacing myself (made even easier by Me only being home a 2-3 days a week to play), by splitting my time between Gran Turismo and ACC, so I don’t run out of content to play. Although admittedly, I do absolutely love just hotlapping various cars around circuits just to test them .

At any rate, I’ll be very curious to see how PD manages their DLC pace, and what this game will look like a year from now

 

[Samus]

and then complain there’s not enough content once they’ve put 100 hours into the game.

People have completed everything in 30-40 hours. 20 hours for the menu books, the main meat of the game. A far cry from the old games which would indeed take more like 100 or 150 to do everything.

 

[Nielsen]

Of course, you’re going to get people who bitch and moan on why PD didn’t give us the full game from launch. I for one however, think it’s smart of them. Keep a steady drip of new content coming to keep people hyped about the game, and to in a way…. “Season” new players to the franchise early in the lifespan of the game so they’ll be ready for the more challenging content when it comes.

So the game didn’t end with the ending credits? I think it very much did.

PD could still include post-release content if they had released a finished game. There are no valid excuses for the unfinished campaign.

 

[ruestchiva]

I'm sure more content will come with time. At the moment it does feel incomplete. At least the campaign part. Besides that, Physics need adjustments. With both of those enhanced the game would definitely become #1.