can you please tell the worlds worst drifter (me) how to drift properly please
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1) Get the perfect car for you.
2) Get the perfect settings for you.
3) Practice on the course that's perfect for you.
4) Use the style that's perfect for you.
But if that doesn't work, try this car out on Trial Mountain:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=584405#post584405
Follow the tips there and if you don't have at least one drift done in 2 days... tell me and I'll get you a training video.
2) Get the perfect settings for you.
3) Practice on the course that's perfect for you.
4) Use the style that's perfect for you.
But if that doesn't work, try this car out on Trial Mountain:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=584405#post584405
Follow the tips there and if you don't have at least one drift done in 2 days... tell me and I'll get you a training video.
- 1,093
- GTP_Pergatory
First step for drifting is to get a steering wheel. Seriously. You can't counter-steer properly without one. If you've got one, continue reading. If not, go get one =) or wait for the GT4 wheel...
Anyway, it's best to learn how to drift on a low-power car, not a really high-power one with a small powerband. It forces you to learn how to toss the car's weight properly. Once you've mastered a small light car (such as the Toyota Trueno), then you should be able to move on to a more powerful car and you will find it surprisingly similar.
The most difficult barrier I encountered was countersteering, which is very hard in a game, due to the fact that you can't feel G-forces. I found that if you go into Options and set the steering assist type to Professional, it helps a great deal. But basically, your main goal for beginner drifting is just to keep the front wheels pointed in the direction the car is travelling, so that they're not losing traction. (If you watch a replay, you'll be able to see smoke on the front tires if you're not countersteering properly.) If you can keep the front wheels pointed in the right direction, the rest is just about getting the back-end to sit in the right spot.
Well, I hope this was at least a little help. If you are having problems with a certain area, let us know and we'll try to give you more specific help.
Anyway, it's best to learn how to drift on a low-power car, not a really high-power one with a small powerband. It forces you to learn how to toss the car's weight properly. Once you've mastered a small light car (such as the Toyota Trueno), then you should be able to move on to a more powerful car and you will find it surprisingly similar.
The most difficult barrier I encountered was countersteering, which is very hard in a game, due to the fact that you can't feel G-forces. I found that if you go into Options and set the steering assist type to Professional, it helps a great deal. But basically, your main goal for beginner drifting is just to keep the front wheels pointed in the direction the car is travelling, so that they're not losing traction. (If you watch a replay, you'll be able to see smoke on the front tires if you're not countersteering properly.) If you can keep the front wheels pointed in the right direction, the rest is just about getting the back-end to sit in the right spot.
Well, I hope this was at least a little help. If you are having problems with a certain area, let us know and we'll try to give you more specific help.
- 1,093
- GTP_Pergatory
Oh yeah, it helps to have the car tuned decently too. I haven't browsed the cars on this board (I prefer to tune my own cars) but if you aren't having luck with them, try these settings from my S15 Silvia:
Full max out all the hardware. Wrap it with softs (not super softs, I found them to be a little too sticky, personally).
Springs: 10.0 / 10.5
Ride Height: 97 / 97
Bound: 8 / 9
Rebound: 8 / 9
Camber: 3.8 / 3.0
Toe: -1.0 / 0.0
Stabilizers: 1 / 1
Brakes: 13 / 13
Diff Init Torque: 50
Diff Accel: 60
Diff Decel: 20
Gear Ratio: Gear it nice and low, response is important in drifting
TCS and ASM at 0 of course.
Try a track with nice flow, like Deep Forest, Grand Valley Speedway, Midfield II, etc.
Full max out all the hardware. Wrap it with softs (not super softs, I found them to be a little too sticky, personally).
Springs: 10.0 / 10.5
Ride Height: 97 / 97
Bound: 8 / 9
Rebound: 8 / 9
Camber: 3.8 / 3.0
Toe: -1.0 / 0.0
Stabilizers: 1 / 1
Brakes: 13 / 13
Diff Init Torque: 50
Diff Accel: 60
Diff Decel: 20
Gear Ratio: Gear it nice and low, response is important in drifting
TCS and ASM at 0 of course.
Try a track with nice flow, like Deep Forest, Grand Valley Speedway, Midfield II, etc.
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Ya you should read the drift guide. You should get a Impreza LM Race Car and set it up with Majiik's settings they are on the last page near the bottom. that is a good car to drift given lots of countrol the move up from that recomending Vinkento's ZZII Setting. The small corner on the Super Speedway is an easy corner to drift thru. And you don't need a Wheel to drift. i can to a 70 degree-90 degree drift with the d-pad. i registered here and have only been doing this for about 2 weeks or so. Vinkento helped in suggesting ZZII and it was great. so i thank you, Vinkento 
- 1,093
- GTP_Pergatory
You can definetely drift without a wheel but it's sort of a struggle and really not something you need to be worrying about if you're half-way through a drift. Precision is key, and the analog sticks aren't precise. Know what I mean? Plus it actually helps you drift better in real life, believe it or not, which is something else the controller never really did for me.
Anyway, md0125 is right in that it's not really THAT important, but I do think you should start with a lower horsepower car. Trust me.
Also, I haven't read the entire drift guide but I noticed a few things on there aren't really very accurate. For example, on exiting a drift, you want to countersteer less for a fluid exit. Of course, that alone won't bring you out of the drift, alone it will just make you spin out. But if your entry is good and you are on about the right line, you should start taking the wheel back towards center as soon as you pass the apex of the corner.
Also another important thing to understand is that laying on the gas doesn't move the car in a direction, it accelerates it in that direction. In other words, the effects are delayed. If you floor it until your rear end comes out to about where you want it to be before letting off the gas, then it's too late, you're going to spin out. You have to anticipate it and back off the throttle before it even happens. Some people figure that out quick, but some find it to be a huge barrier, so I thought it would be worth mentioning.
Anyway, md0125 is right in that it's not really THAT important, but I do think you should start with a lower horsepower car. Trust me.
Also, I haven't read the entire drift guide but I noticed a few things on there aren't really very accurate. For example, on exiting a drift, you want to countersteer less for a fluid exit. Of course, that alone won't bring you out of the drift, alone it will just make you spin out. But if your entry is good and you are on about the right line, you should start taking the wheel back towards center as soon as you pass the apex of the corner.
Also another important thing to understand is that laying on the gas doesn't move the car in a direction, it accelerates it in that direction. In other words, the effects are delayed. If you floor it until your rear end comes out to about where you want it to be before letting off the gas, then it's too late, you're going to spin out. You have to anticipate it and back off the throttle before it even happens. Some people figure that out quick, but some find it to be a huge barrier, so I thought it would be worth mentioning.
- 1,093
- GTP_Pergatory
I'm glad you think so highly of yourself, but you don't earn my respect by talking. Anyway, do you really think this person should start out by drifting with no countersteer? I hope you reconsider your advice.
My advice to you, BMW, is to start just with simple powerslides. Just use the gas to bring out the back-end. Slow down before the corner and shift down into the appropriate gear BEFORE the corner, then just focus on taking the right line. It doesn't really matter how fast your speedo says you're going or how much gas you give it, if you take the right line, it will be fast. Once you master the powerslide, move on to bigger and better things like the e-brake. Sure, you can go straight to drifting without countersteer, but odds are to do that you either have to tune your car like crap, or just simply bash your head against the wall learning until you finally figure it out.
My advice to you, BMW, is to start just with simple powerslides. Just use the gas to bring out the back-end. Slow down before the corner and shift down into the appropriate gear BEFORE the corner, then just focus on taking the right line. It doesn't really matter how fast your speedo says you're going or how much gas you give it, if you take the right line, it will be fast. Once you master the powerslide, move on to bigger and better things like the e-brake. Sure, you can go straight to drifting without countersteer, but odds are to do that you either have to tune your car like crap, or just simply bash your head against the wall learning until you finally figure it out.
- 2,987
excuse me pergatory... but you were the one claiming that using an eloectrnic steering wheel in a video game... made it easier for you to drift in real life... ok well i dunno you and i dunno if you can or cannot drift... but please dont tell me that drifting on a tv screen will prepare you for real life... and please dont get mad at vinketo for disagreeing.. or however you spell... he was just trying to show that with ds2 its possible to have a great deal of control...
my advice for you bmw is not to get too far ahead of y ourself... start with a car that is modded only with suspension brakes and tires... try sims but if you dont like how they feel go with super slicks or slicks... i would suggest just getting the feel for a car like a sylvia 9 older one) a trueno or a fc rx-7... get a feel for these cars and getting them sideways... dont be too heavy on the gas and make sure you always stay at high revs if you wanna slide... gas to slide rear in fr and counsteer brake or let of the gas to maintain grip in the rear... dont expect to master this so easily... after yyou have the basic skills down... and feel relatively confortable... try some mr cars and use the same basic skills... it should be much easier... perfect you driving skills with a mr car and then go back to fr and 4wd... try a slightly modded speedster or stock engine nsx... if you want settings pm me or look on the drift setting guide...
btw i use both wheel and analog... depending on if i am playing two player or fooling around or racing angainst people... with slicks i tend to use analog but with sims i use wheel... easier to control... i suggest slicks and controller to get used to it man... but that is jsut how i learned... its really up to the individual
my advice for you bmw is not to get too far ahead of y ourself... start with a car that is modded only with suspension brakes and tires... try sims but if you dont like how they feel go with super slicks or slicks... i would suggest just getting the feel for a car like a sylvia 9 older one) a trueno or a fc rx-7... get a feel for these cars and getting them sideways... dont be too heavy on the gas and make sure you always stay at high revs if you wanna slide... gas to slide rear in fr and counsteer brake or let of the gas to maintain grip in the rear... dont expect to master this so easily... after yyou have the basic skills down... and feel relatively confortable... try some mr cars and use the same basic skills... it should be much easier... perfect you driving skills with a mr car and then go back to fr and 4wd... try a slightly modded speedster or stock engine nsx... if you want settings pm me or look on the drift setting guide...
btw i use both wheel and analog... depending on if i am playing two player or fooling around or racing angainst people... with slicks i tend to use analog but with sims i use wheel... easier to control... i suggest slicks and controller to get used to it man... but that is jsut how i learned... its really up to the individual
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- GTP_Pergatory
My bad bengee, I see your point. I just got the impression that he was here to brag about his skill rather than actually help someone, so I got a little carried away.
Anyway, believe it or not, GT3 teaches you many things about drifting that apply in real life. Don't take it the wrong way, I'm not saying you can learn how to drift in GT3 and then jump in a real car and do it. I'm just saying that the physics are very real and very precise, and it can teach you how a car reacts to your input. When I first bought my wheel in GT3 I noticed an IMMEDIATE improvement in my real-life drifting.
Anyway, believe it or not, GT3 teaches you many things about drifting that apply in real life. Don't take it the wrong way, I'm not saying you can learn how to drift in GT3 and then jump in a real car and do it. I'm just saying that the physics are very real and very precise, and it can teach you how a car reacts to your input. When I first bought my wheel in GT3 I noticed an IMMEDIATE improvement in my real-life drifting.
- 1,093
- GTP_Pergatory
Please don't take this the wrong way, I mean no harm, but it seems to me that the people who brag are the ones with something to prove. A month is not very long, I still have a lot to learn and I've been playing for almost a year.
Anyway, if that's the case then I apologize about the whole countersteering debate. However, I'm interested to see some videos of you drifting with no countersteer, vink? Do you have any? Drifting FR without countersteer after only one month is a hell of an accomplishment, I'm curious to see your style.
bengee: Actually, I live in an area where it rains all the time. Ahh, the great northwest! Drifting in the rain is SOOOO much easier on the pocketbooks. =) Anyway, there's actually quite a few places you can go to practice drifting, especially in the CA area. Check out www.club4ag.com they always keep pretty good track of the drifting events here in the U.S. Lately there have been several Gymkhana events locally which is really good practice too, if you ever get the chance to participate in one of those I highly recommend it.
Anyway, if that's the case then I apologize about the whole countersteering debate. However, I'm interested to see some videos of you drifting with no countersteer, vink? Do you have any? Drifting FR without countersteer after only one month is a hell of an accomplishment, I'm curious to see your style.
bengee: Actually, I live in an area where it rains all the time. Ahh, the great northwest! Drifting in the rain is SOOOO much easier on the pocketbooks. =) Anyway, there's actually quite a few places you can go to practice drifting, especially in the CA area. Check out www.club4ag.com they always keep pretty good track of the drifting events here in the U.S. Lately there have been several Gymkhana events locally which is really good practice too, if you ever get the chance to participate in one of those I highly recommend it.
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It took me a month to learn to drift WITH countersteer and another to learn it without countersteer. Although it is alot more difficult with an FR than it is a 4WD, I have succesfully pulled off no countersteer drifts with my Trueno and Varietta. I'll get a video to you as soon as I can of what sometimes 18 hours a day of drifting can teach a guy in GT3. If you'd like to see some different FRs drifted with little or no countersteer then please specify. I'm here to please ^_^
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thats alot of patience.... i must have ADD because i can't sit in front of PS2 that long.
ADD = attention deficit disorder
ADD = attention deficit disorder
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200/20 vision ?????
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ohh ok
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you drive irl?
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http://hammer.prohosting.com/~ccimoc/drift/driftguide.htm heres a guide to help u out alite and get the whole idea od drfiting, not sure if any1 else posted it up but its a pretty good reference
