Car of the Week 228: COTY GTS Finale
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Ah yes, one of the many cars that appeared in the first Gran Turismo (as an arcade mode exclusive vehicle) and in later titles including Sport. Really digging the silhouette and exhaust note of this v8 powered Vette. As for handling, it feels a bit boat-ish at times.
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The C2 Corvette Sting Ray Not A Review:
No review from me this week, as I am horrifically culturally and historically ignorant. I therefore can't tell you how good or bad the car is for its time, but it left a rather deep impression on me, regardless, so if you'll indulge me, I would like to share my virtual experience with a 1963 C2 Corvette.
While admittedly a stupid styling cue, the "spine" that bisects that rear window is such an integral part of the car's silhouette, and is such an important part of the "Sting Ray" image, this car feels visually crippled without it. You can see the rough shape of a sting ray in the raised bubble formed by the cockpit, and removing the rear window split really removes the "sting" from the sting ray.
And gosh, I adore the interior colours this thing came with. I adore the aluminum (?) gauges with inset dials. I love the quirkiness of the headrest-less back seats. I hope you have a strong crotch, because the roller coaster like seatbelt only secures you from there. This thing has such an emphasis on class and beauty, I almost daresay it's an old, American equivalent of a Pagani. It really is one of those cars you can appreciate just staring at, or even sitting in, without ever turning the key.
Bonus points if you can figure out whose perspective this shot was taken from. Hint: someone very red.
Also, this car has the single BEST set of headlights in the history of automotive industry. Fight me.
(Please click on the gif to view in imgur if it doesn't autoplay. I'll figure out how to gif ONE DAY)
Even in its second generation, the Corvette already had success and rep in motorsports. Yet, the road car doesn't respond well to being driven fast. It is a car that is spitefully lethargic to drive with modern day go-fast driving techniques. It's soft. It has drums on all four corners. It's on bias ply tyres. It has no ABS. Most glaringly, it comes with a completely open differential. All this means that the car takes a fair bit longer to stop than its 1,380kg curb mass (3,042lbs) would suggest. It may be common knowledge that a car brakes best in a straight line, but because the C2 is so soft, it's almost a caricature of this theory to show to a non-believer. This thing is so soft, there feels like there's weight over one tyre at any one time, and having to stomp on the brakes when the car is even slightly off neutral results in a severely elongated, meandering braking zone at best, and completely locking up the wheels at worst. This also means that it detests trail braking with a passion. If nudged wide or disturbed by road surface changes mid corner, the weight sloshes from left to right endlessly, there is no stopping it without assistance from a wall. Even with reasonably civil corner exit attempts, the inside tyres will spin, owing to its complete lack of a differential. This means that the car is very liable to snap on you in the blink of an eye if you were to, say, oh I dunno, use the rumble strips on the outside of a turn, as power distribution can change in an instant with zero warning as traction distribution changes (yeah, I even had to coin a new term to describe this car). Most embarrassing example of this is the second to last turn of Laguna Seca, as I spun the car in the lead for the entire field to see and overtake, and nearly lost it there again and again on subsequent laps.
All this means the car is very hairy on and especially past its limits. To drive this fast, the car's mechanical and physical limits are just as much a limiting factor as how much bravery and faith you have in your own skills to push it that far. It's a very, very new experience to me, as modern cars hit their mechanical limits way before my balls get called into question, and are more predictable and easier to... er-hem, retrieve, when lost.
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I almost gave up shooting for this post entirely because I took one look at your shot and I'm like, "yeap, nah, not gonna do better than that".
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Awesome read! I've always loved the C2 Corvettes. And it's a real shame with the tires. The Pontiac Trans Am suffers from the same thing in the game.The C2 Corvette Sting Ray Not A Review:
No review from me this week, as I am horrifically culturally and historically ignorant. I therefore can't tell you how good or bad the car is for its time, but it left a rather deep impression on me, regardless, so if you'll indulge me, I would like to share my virtual experience with a 1963 C2 Corvette.
Corvette. What a name. Even saying it to myself somehow oozes a certain sense of class and distinction, and how it always sounded so close to "covet" doesn't seem coincidental to me, even if the name is taken from a warship. Too rarely for my tastes do cars have proper names, instead of senseless clumps of letters and numbers. It really gives cars a sense of soul and identity, and the C2 is a car overflowing, exploding, with character.
One look, and anyone who's even remotely into cars know what it is. It's exactly the sort of car, or rather, exactly the car that comes to my mind when I think of a poster car for classic American cars. The car has such a stake in its image and identity, it's almost concept car like. So obsessed with styling was the car, certain over-the-top elements, most famously the split rear window and fake hood vents, were axed within a year of production, making the 1963 example in Gran Turismo Sport a particularly noteworthy one. Have a gander at the view out the back in this thing. How anyone could've greenlit this, I'll never know.
Not only does the split in the middle of the rear window block out the most important bits, but there is a raise in the bottom of the window as well, meaning you'll probably not see a car that's right behind you until it's sniffing your chrome rear bumpers.You could say F1 took a lot of inspiration from the '63 Corvette.
While admittedly a stupid styling cue, the "spine" that bisects that rear window is such an integral part of the car's silhouette, and is such an important part of the "Sting Ray" image, this car feels visually crippled without it. You can see the rough shape of a sting ray in the raised bubble formed by the cockpit, and removing the rear window split really removes the "sting" from the sting ray.
And gosh, I adore the interior colours this thing came with. I adore the aluminum (?) gauges with inset dials. I love the quirkiness of the headrest-less back seats. I hope you have a strong crotch, because the roller coaster like seatbelt only secures you from there. This thing has such an emphasis on class and beauty, I almost daresay it's an old, American equivalent of a Pagani. It really is one of those cars you can appreciate just staring at, or even sitting in, without ever turning the key.
Oddly, the rear-view mirror in the game doesn't show the split in the rear window, giving you perfect visibility.
Bonus points if you can figure out whose perspective this shot was taken from. Hint: someone very red.
Tan interior with dials lit at night, with GTS' way overdone windshield glass reflection.
Headrest-less back seats. My driver has been getting NO privacy lately. I put all this crap back there expecting them to NOT be seen.
Roller coaster seatbelts!
Also, this car has the single BEST set of headlights in the history of automotive industry. Fight me.
(Please click on the gif to view in imgur if it doesn't autoplay. I'll figure out how to gif ONE DAY)
Even in its second generation, the Corvette already had success and rep in motorsports. Yet, the road car doesn't respond well to being driven fast. It is a car that is spitefully lethargic to drive with modern day go-fast driving techniques. It's soft. It has drums on all four corners. It's on bias ply tyres. It has no ABS. Most glaringly, it comes with a completely open differential. All this means that the car takes a fair bit longer to stop than its 1,380kg curb mass (3,042lbs) would suggest. It may be common knowledge that a car brakes best in a straight line, but because the C2 is so soft, it's almost a caricature of this theory to show to a non-believer. This thing is so soft, there feels like there's weight over one tyre at any one time, and having to stomp on the brakes when the car is even slightly off neutral results in a severely elongated, meandering braking zone at best, and completely locking up the wheels at worst. This also means that it detests trail braking with a passion. If nudged wide or disturbed by road surface changes mid corner, the weight sloshes from left to right endlessly, there is no stopping it without assistance from a wall. Even with reasonably civil corner exit attempts, the inside tyres will spin, owing to its complete lack of a differential. This means that the car is very liable to snap on you in the blink of an eye if you were to, say, oh I dunno, use the rumble strips on the outside of a turn, as power distribution can change in an instant with zero warning as traction distribution changes (yeah, I even had to coin a new term to describe this car). Most embarrassing example of this is the second to last turn of Laguna Seca, as I spun the car in the lead for the entire field to see and overtake, and nearly lost it there again and again on subsequent laps.
Differentials? Where we're going, we don't need differentials.
All this means the car is very hairy on and especially past its limits. To drive this fast, the car's mechanical and physical limits are just as much a limiting factor as how much bravery and faith you have in your own skills to push it that far. It's a very, very new experience to me, as modern cars hit their mechanical limits way before my balls get called into question, and are more predictable and easier to... er-hem, retrieve, when lost.
As mentioned earlier, this car does come with period correct bias ply tyres. What's super annoying however, is that these tyres get replaced by modern radials the moment it touches the livery editor. You could literally save a blank livery with no changes and it'd take away your bias ply tyres. No, you don't even have to change the wheels to lose your bias ply tyres. No, there is no option to get the bias ply tyres back in the livery editor or car settings. That means that you either have a totally factory fresh 'Vette, or you compromise on the integrity of the look of the thing by putting any decals on it, including something as harmless and minor as a license plate.
Bias ply tyres, with the white bead area... ring... thing.
Radials as the default Sports Hard tyres.
In spite of all this however, I find the C2 to be quite a predictable drive once you get to know it and get used to it. It is a car that demands a certain level of respect to drive, but it absolutely reciprocates if treated duly. The highlight of the driving experience in a C2 Corvette is, of course, its engine. Featured in the museum-worthy example found in Gran Turismo is the (then) top of the line "Small" Block V8 (5.4 litres is small?!), whose party piece isn't displacement, but rather, its fuel injection, which was immaculately advertised on the front fenders. The 360HP produced by said engine doesn't sound much on paper, but trust me, it's plenty fast enough for something that's as scary to drive as the C2. And, believe me, this is a very different 360HP from your normal, everyday sports car. Being a big NA, freedom breathing V8, torque is of course the engine's biggest draw. With only four speeds and a final gear way too short for the speeds this car is easily capable of, you need only be within roughly about the same postal code as operating range on a racetrack for the engine to deliver heapings of torque. This is absolutely a highway pulls car, and it sounds damn good while doing it."But, honeeeeey! You don't understand! She DOES make my car faster! AND safer!" - The manliest statement ever spoken in the entire recorded history of motorsports.
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Given the car's immaculate, concept car like, showroom beauty and cult icon status, along with its... ahem... discouraging at the limit handling, I couldn't help but to feel like I'm driving this car all wrong in this week's meet. I couldn't help but to feel like this car just isn't meant to be raced, or even driven fast. This is a car that somehow, even through a video game, encourages a laid back, lazy type of drive. I just want to hold the thin, large steering wheel instead of my Logitech G29. I wanted to feel how this car's shifter, instead of having to use my paddles. I wanted to smell the leather and the oil. I wanted to just cruise and sightsee the entire Route 66 in this thing in one gear with Metallica blasting in the car. I want to park this thing at a rest stop along the highway and look out to it from a restaurant. I could almost envision myself time travelling back to when gas prices were dirt cheap. This thing is a time capsule that translates partially in a digital medium, yet what this medium can convey, it delivers in spades and leaves me wanting more. This thing is so chock full of character and culture, it's inexplicable. It's almost... magical.
Also, @AgentBlackDog , WHAT. A. SHOT.Sting Ray and StingRay. Yeah, they're different.
The C2 Corvette, designed by Larry Shinoda took Harley Earl's 1959 StingRay Racer's ultra futuristic design and made it into a production car. The Corvette for 1963 was heavily praised for being so futuristic looking with its sharp angles and hidden headlamps. It is believed Shinoda got the center spine idea from the Bugatti Type 57 Atlantic.
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Sometimes, things just work out. A Corvette is selected for GT Sport Car of the Week and I have an evaluation drive for another Corvette in iRacing on standby. In my case, it's the GT1 Corvette C6R that was dominating at Le Mans and IMSA just as I was beginning to branch out from NASCAR and discovering the world of sports car racing. And to evaluate the car, it seemed appropriate to take it to one of America's most iconic endurance racetracks: Sebring.
The first thing I can say is that this GT1 Corvette immediately differentiates itself from the GT3 and GT4 cars I've driven on iRacing with the amount of power and downforce that's on offer. Once the tires are warmed up, you can seemingly throw untold lateral g-forces at it without the car breaking a sweat. But the overwhelming confidence you might get from those attributes are quickly extinguished once you get to a braking zone. The C6R Corvette has no ABS to help you; and the ideal zone between not pressing the brake pedal enough, and pushing too much and inducing lockup feels like you're playing "The Range Game" on The Price Is Right. You more or less just take your best guess and hope you got it right. And on a circuit as tough as Sebring, you're more than likely to get it wrong.
I find myself at the same state with my Ferrari GTO review a few weeks ago. The Corvette may be above my skill level, but there's no way I can call it a Beater. Just hearing that earth-shaking rumble from a GM V-8 is enough to help me quickly forget any of the faults the C6R may have. It's an absolute legend.
And it's not the only Chevrolet V-8 Powered Race Car I've bought recently...
The first thing I can say is that this GT1 Corvette immediately differentiates itself from the GT3 and GT4 cars I've driven on iRacing with the amount of power and downforce that's on offer. Once the tires are warmed up, you can seemingly throw untold lateral g-forces at it without the car breaking a sweat. But the overwhelming confidence you might get from those attributes are quickly extinguished once you get to a braking zone. The C6R Corvette has no ABS to help you; and the ideal zone between not pressing the brake pedal enough, and pushing too much and inducing lockup feels like you're playing "The Range Game" on The Price Is Right. You more or less just take your best guess and hope you got it right. And on a circuit as tough as Sebring, you're more than likely to get it wrong.
I find myself at the same state with my Ferrari GTO review a few weeks ago. The Corvette may be above my skill level, but there's no way I can call it a Beater. Just hearing that earth-shaking rumble from a GM V-8 is enough to help me quickly forget any of the faults the C6R may have. It's an absolute legend.
And it's not the only Chevrolet V-8 Powered Race Car I've bought recently...
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One of my favorite Youtubers like to call this car the Buzz Box or it's known from the classic Initial D series. This week we are taking a look at the Mazda RX-7 GT-X 1990. This weeks car is chosen by @Vic Reign93.
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I announce I can't race this week.
You guys choose an RX-7
You can't do this to me.
YOU CAN'T DO THISSSSSS!
You guys choose an RX-7
You can't do this to me.
YOU CAN'T DO THISSSSSS!
TonyJZX
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I just tried my FC3S. N400 praiano tune. Its surprisingly good. It does a job on GT4 cars around the Ring. Ludicrous corner speeds, moderate terminal speeds, I think it just bounces 280km/h however it has one vice... it has the same thing that the new Acura NSX has... the transition from gentle oversteer to unrecoverable crash in corners is quite unpleasant. The old Stratos problem but in this case I cant tell if it lacks both front and rear end grip and at what time.
Its also a bit light so it tends to misbehave on kerbs. With a careful driver its very fast but it does require too much thought on my behalf to turn in good times let alone combat with other cars.
Its also a bit light so it tends to misbehave on kerbs. With a careful driver its very fast but it does require too much thought on my behalf to turn in good times let alone combat with other cars.
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GTS Nordschleife hot lap STOCK Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC) '90: 08.21.836
Nice old-ish JDM. Quite a handful actually, but definatly fun. I like it.
It even made it almost into the top 100 fastest cars list:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ort-with-hot-laps-daily-thread-update.394455/
Nice old-ish JDM. Quite a handful actually, but definatly fun. I like it.
It even made it almost into the top 100 fastest cars list:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ort-with-hot-laps-daily-thread-update.394455/
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Handsome, refined, dependable. It's not hard to see why the Corvette marquee is one of America's top sports cars. Each generation represents the peak of style and performance from their respective eras, from the class and luxury of the mid 50's all the way up to the high tech, low drag designs of today. A Corvette is usually a force to be reckoned with at a track day or on a GT circuit!
The C2 represents the transition from high class luxury cruiser to something a bit more racing focused. It was smaller, stiffer, more powerful, and featured the aerodynamic inspiration of a Mako Shark. And yet they called it Stingray. Despite all the "modern" equipment on it I could mention, it's ancient history now by comparison, so how does it fare up?
Put simply, I had a blast!!
It's got enough power to be fun, and the handling, while certainly not as tight as the Gr4 and Gr3 cars we've gotten used to in GT Sport, doesn't take long to get a feel for! It's quite satisfying being able to get around corners, inches away from rivals, with one wheel lit up. Of course, sometimes you get it wrong and end up in a fish tail, usually into a wall or way off line, but still this Corvette is a car that I'd actually quite happily drive again for fun!
Sure, it might get left for dead by some of the other N class rivals, but if there's a classic car race, or I want to enjoy throwing something around with no modern equipment or assists, I know what car I'll be choosing.
Sleeper!!
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The car is lovely!
I enjoyed the RX-7 on Fuji...
It has no power.
But it is a lot of fun.
For these reasons, it is NOT a sleeper.
A sleeper by definition is something deceptively fast.
The car ain't fast.
Therefore, IMHO, the RX-7 is a beater.
A very fun beater:
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I enjoyed the RX-7 on Fuji...
It has no power.
But it is a lot of fun.
For these reasons, it is NOT a sleeper.
A sleeper by definition is something deceptively fast.
The car ain't fast.
Therefore, IMHO, the RX-7 is a beater.
A very fun beater:
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1990 Mazda (Savanna?) RX-7 GT-X (FC3S) Review
While last week's C2 Corvette is something I'm largely oblivious about, but know how I feel about it, this week's second generation sports car is quite the opposite: I know what it is, but I don't know how I feel about it. This week, we're taking a look at the 2nd generation Mazda RX-7, chassis code FC3S.
(Also, am I the only one super annoyed with Scapes? Like, you go ALL THE WAY to Bonneville to take photos for your game. You take ONE photo, that's NOT EVEN ON THE SALT, and with the sunlight coming from a useless position? Really PD?)
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Because of how slim the tyres are, there is very little in its friction circle. The car is okay at about eight tenths, but it doesn't approach its limits as linearly and predictably as one would hope a sports car would. Push these tyres too hard, and they will just throw their hands up at you and scream, "I DUNNO!" and give up instantly. Because of how soft the suspension is as well, there seems to be weight over only one tyre at any one time through a corner, which makes the car very bad at multi-tasking (look I'm a bit sick as I'm writing this, most of this probably doesn't make sense). To drive this thing at the limit, trying to set a lap time is a very, very frustrating endeavour, as you need at all times to baby the car gently into and out of corners, and its limits is very difficult to explore because of how quickly and non-linearly it transitions from grip to slip. Pushing this car at the limits constantly feels to me like trying to babysit five spoiled children at once: each "child", the tyres, the suspension, the engine, the chassis, and even the aero, all require such care and attention to detail in handling them, and each have their own personalities and tendencies, making them all come together to do ONE thing well is excruciatingly frustrating. I suppose you can make the argument that it's a very involved and analogue drive because of it, but each and every element of the car is just too awful for me to be able to wring any enjoyment out of the drive.
oH iT's A jDm It'S mEaNt To Be TuNed
Okay, let's talk tuning this thing. It can't even put down its 206PS, so I'm guessing you're looking for any combination of fitting fatter tyres on it, putting a big wing on it, swapping out the differential, and stiffening the chassis. If lightness is the backbone of a good performing car, then chassis rigidity is the backbone of a good tuning car. The FC has already failed on that front. Good luck finding the space and money to add extra bracing and weld spots.
This is truly one of the stupidest car designs I think I've ever seen.
You want chunkier tyres? Well, I guess you now need flared fenders on it, because even the eraser thin tyres on it are pushing the Japan Class 5 body of the FC to its class limits. Oh, what's that? Flared fenders increase the width of the car, and now the car is a Japan Class 3, and you're in a legal cesspool of technicalities and increased tax? Gee, I'm so envious of you, FC Owner-san! Please, teach me how to cope with such suffering in your life!
For reference, the FC's width is listed as 1,690mm (~66.5″). Class 5 limits are 1,700mm (~70″). If GTS is to be believed for its undercarriage accuracy, given its painstaking detail in the underbody of cars, then there simply is no more room for bigger tyres in the FC's body.
I will stop myself for a bit to make excuses for this car, though. The car is very delicate, not just mechanically, but also dynamically. It not only requires very progressive, smooth (and slow) inputs from the driver, lest you upset it and it whines or even tries to kill you. Because of how delicate the driving dynamics are, the FC is also very much affected by small changes to the car, and Gran Turismo Sport hasn't been very kind to the FC with small changes here and there.
"Life's problems can all be settled with the warmth of a cup of coffee"
Gran Turismo Sport also compresses 100 litres (~26.4 gallons) of fuel into every car for every event, unless you specifically set an initial fuel load (which is only available in lobbies, that hardly anyone uses). This means that, as tested, the FC has 30 extra litres of fuel, amounting to roughly 22 kilos (~49lbs) of extra mass aft the cabin. It's a minor thing that every other road car is subject to in GTS, but the extra mass might go some ways in explaining the horrendous rear end behaviour of the FC. Yes, yes I am trying to make excuses for the car. I just want all cards on the table to be as fair as possible. And, honestly, if a car with back seats is that troubled by an extra 22kg behind the driver... what the heck is it doing with rear seats?!
And guess what, that was all on-track comparisons. Off the track, none of the aforementioned cars give you the headaches of a Rotary Engine ownership. None of those cars require an engine rebuild every 150,000km. None of those cars will cook your left thigh when you drive it. None of those cars require you to mix oil into your fuel every time you fill it up. None of those cars will require you to redline it once a day as part of maintenance. None of those cars made me think, "this component is so stupid, I wish I could get rid of it". And when something does go wrong, mechanics will have a better idea on how to fix it rather than just looking into the engine bay and then shrugging.
Ox_IronMan_xO has shared a fantastic collection of US License Plate resources.
HondaFitJDM, his second account, has more decals.
Here's a lap I did with the FC on the Nordschleife, on sport hard tyres, 100 litres of fuel with no consumption for a time attack board. It was swiftly demolised by Alex P, but hey, I have it, might as well share, right?
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Have to give a comment about this interesting vehicle, too.
Found last week my love again with it as I use it now as my methadone for the Transaxle Porsches
I love RWD Coupés, and I love the FC. It brings together the basic joy of a sporty and dynamic 80s car with the weird but loveable Wankel engine and interesting 80s Japanese engineering.
The handling of it is not so great, but always fun. Cause of its small tires there is such a small line of limit, even a small change of engine load on the rear tires making it unstable. Unfortunately there is not too much torque from the Wankel left in stock trim to make it look like a smooth power drift.
So I will say: This car should be made the new standard for driving school. If you master this, you know how car physics work and you can handle your dads SUV like a champ. If not, you are either traumatised to never drive again or wait till autonomous driving is a real thing. Action for Road Safety
Found last week my love again with it as I use it now as my methadone for the Transaxle Porsches
I love RWD Coupés, and I love the FC. It brings together the basic joy of a sporty and dynamic 80s car with the weird but loveable Wankel engine and interesting 80s Japanese engineering.
The handling of it is not so great, but always fun. Cause of its small tires there is such a small line of limit, even a small change of engine load on the rear tires making it unstable. Unfortunately there is not too much torque from the Wankel left in stock trim to make it look like a smooth power drift.
So I will say: This car should be made the new standard for driving school. If you master this, you know how car physics work and you can handle your dads SUV like a champ. If not, you are either traumatised to never drive again or wait till autonomous driving is a real thing. Action for Road Safety
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So I've been doing some catching up on COTW, both for GTS and GT6. I'm not sure how so ask without sounding too confrontational, but what happened to COTW? There used to be so many participants and reviews, so much banter and wit in the GT6 thread (and sexy women!). Did interest in COTW wane, or is it simply because there are fewer people playing GTS than GT6, owing to the smaller car roster and PS+ exclusivity? I'm just genuinely curious, not trying to start anything here.
I can't believe I've been playing since GT5 and haven't even looked into a COTW thread until about two months ago. God I'm stupid.
I can't believe I've been playing since GT5 and haven't even looked into a COTW thread until about two months ago. God I'm stupid.
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The problem with GT Sport 'partipcation' is the same problem that's been day one in comparison to GT6.
People arent that motivated or invested in GT Sport in comparison to GT6. That's it.
I'd also put it it like this... if someone dredges up an original day one car (like the FC3S) in a game 2.5yrs down its game life cycle then I can expect few people to be interested.
Polyphony arent doing much to generate activity in this game so I cant expect people to be excited either.
I would contrast to the way the GT6 Seasonals worked. They did it all the way to the end and even to the end, people were reasonable invested with GT6. When GT6 ended there was a final drive send off and people were really upset.
I dont think we'll see that with GT Sport, at least not to that level.
People arent that motivated or invested in GT Sport in comparison to GT6. That's it.
I'd also put it it like this... if someone dredges up an original day one car (like the FC3S) in a game 2.5yrs down its game life cycle then I can expect few people to be interested.
Polyphony arent doing much to generate activity in this game so I cant expect people to be excited either.
I would contrast to the way the GT6 Seasonals worked. They did it all the way to the end and even to the end, people were reasonable invested with GT6. When GT6 ended there was a final drive send off and people were really upset.
I dont think we'll see that with GT Sport, at least not to that level.
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With COTW, there has been 4 different people that have taken up the mantle of running the group and each one has a different style of presenting the car. The original thread started with GT5 with someone else but each car had it's own thread but in GT6 is was consolidated to one thread with MCD running the show and he got to choose the photos for the car. By the end of the life cycle of GT6 @Nismonath5 took up the mantle and finished COTW there. For GTS, I took up the mantle to bring back the series and the regulars who would race with us.
I know not everyone from GT6 days continued on with the group to GTS but maybe they will return for GT7 as that will be more of a traditional Gran Turismo game. Other racing games have captured the interest of some of the members or others have joined more competitive racing groups that take up their time. But as long as there is an interest we will continue doing COTW.
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The big appeal for COTW on GT5 and 6 was that there were so many "oddball" cars to review and race. The Audi Auto Untion C, the Mitsubishi i, the Honda Z act, the Toyota 7... all freakishly different cars, meaning the racing each week could be totally different, and that's why so many people loved it.
Here on GT Sport, it's more or less mostly race cars or high performance road cars, there's very little in the ways of oddballs.
Maybe GT7 will breathe new life into the group, but one thing's for certain. Even on GTS, it's great fun playing around with all the different cars on offer!
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- New Brunswick
Sorry for the blasphemous paint job... figured since I have a 944 turbo I could get away with it... lolHave to give a comment about this interesting vehicle, too.
Found last week my love again with it as I use it now as my methadone for the Transaxle Porsches
I love RWD Coupés, and I love the FC. It brings together the basic joy of a sporty and dynamic 80s car with the weird but loveable Wankel engine and interesting 80s Japanese engineering.
The handling of it is not so great, but always fun. Cause of its small tires there is such a small line of limit, even a small change of engine load on the rear tires making it unstable. Unfortunately there is not too much torque from the Wankel left in stock trim to make it look like a smooth power drift.
So I will say: This car should be made the new standard for driving school. If you master this, you know how car physics work and you can handle your dads SUV like a champ. If not, you are either traumatised to never drive again or wait till autonomous driving is a real thing. Action for Road Safety
- 1,738
- Singapore
- XSquareStickIt
Oh, please, don't get me wrong. I'm enjoying COTW as it is thoroughly. I just wish there were more reviews so that I can have more perspectives and opinions. That's a big part of it for me.
It might be a little off topic, but I'm not sure GT7 will give us the full suite of oddball cars that GT6 had. I think it's safe to say even back in GT6, most of its oddball cars are standard carryovers from the PS2 era. I think I recall seeing an article somewhere that said that even PS3 era cars took 5 or so months to fully prepare for the game. So even though I was disgusted by Sport's car roster before launch, I also sort of understood why it's so focused and race car centric. Unless PD starts expanding or outsourcing, (and I doubt they will. They look like a close knit group of perfectionists) I really doubt the day will come where we get to race Midgets in COTW (and trust me, I want to!)
Oh, please don't worry about it! I was pointing out your car in jest, because it fit so well with what I was trying to say in my review: that the FC took styling cues from the Porsche 924. (and by extension, the 944 as well I guess?) It's your car man, do what you want to it. Far be it from me to judge virtual cars in a game.
It might not be a fair comparison, but do you think you can share how the 944 is to drive, and how it compares to the virtual FC RX-7? I'd really love to hear from someone who actually owned a 944. I'm not very knowledgeable about Porsches as a whole.
It might be a little off topic, but I'm not sure GT7 will give us the full suite of oddball cars that GT6 had. I think it's safe to say even back in GT6, most of its oddball cars are standard carryovers from the PS2 era. I think I recall seeing an article somewhere that said that even PS3 era cars took 5 or so months to fully prepare for the game. So even though I was disgusted by Sport's car roster before launch, I also sort of understood why it's so focused and race car centric. Unless PD starts expanding or outsourcing, (and I doubt they will. They look like a close knit group of perfectionists) I really doubt the day will come where we get to race Midgets in COTW (and trust me, I want to!)
Oh, please don't worry about it! I was pointing out your car in jest, because it fit so well with what I was trying to say in my review: that the FC took styling cues from the Porsche 924. (and by extension, the 944 as well I guess?) It's your car man, do what you want to it. Far be it from me to judge virtual cars in a game.
It might not be a fair comparison, but do you think you can share how the 944 is to drive, and how it compares to the virtual FC RX-7? I'd really love to hear from someone who actually owned a 944. I'm not very knowledgeable about Porsches as a whole.
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- South Auckland, New Zealand
- Nismonath5
For me personally it's a time thing.
Back in the GT6 days I was in high school, I had all the time in the world to do reviews, take pics, goof around, etc. Now I'm adulting (much as I hardly feel like it), so I'm juggling all of life's bits and pieces as well as my real world Motorsports activities and managing a race team, and it doesn't leave much wiggle room for writing up detailed reviews and analysises. That said, I seem to be pretty free today, so I may well try whip up something...
Back in the GT6 days I was in high school, I had all the time in the world to do reviews, take pics, goof around, etc. Now I'm adulting (much as I hardly feel like it), so I'm juggling all of life's bits and pieces as well as my real world Motorsports activities and managing a race team, and it doesn't leave much wiggle room for writing up detailed reviews and analysises. That said, I seem to be pretty free today, so I may well try whip up something...
- 1,523
- Munich
I owned a 924S for many years, drove about 120.000km with it. Also had a RX-8 and tested the 944 Turbo. Both cars are actually the best handling cars I head the pleasure to drive. The point of the 924 / 944 is, that they are transaxle, so weight distribution is a dream. The sisters are absolutely neutral to drive and offer a good load of traction you do not expect from a RWD car. It was easy to maintain 200km/h on a icy Autobahn. The 944 Turbo has also the most violent Turbo I have yet experienced in a stock car. I don't remember exactly but at about 4000 rpm it feels like a small car has crashed into you, something you will never see again in modern cars. About the Turbo experience @The_Nagger187 could tell you more for sure.
The RX-7 has nothing of it. It's a oversteering disaster which could only be cured with sticky, unrealistic tires. But I still love it. Guess in real life it could be a real heartbreaker, a crazy 80s JDM pocket GT.
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- Golden
- racer2833
We are testing one of the few track day cars in the game and first made it's appearance in GT5. This week we are taking a look at the Pagani Zonda R. This weeks car is chosen by @Baron Blitz Red
- 6,656
- Hanover/Germany
- alexpkas
GTS Nordschleife hot lap STOCK but with sport hard tyres Pagani Zonda R '09: 06.57.846
This car has really an insane amount of downforce and grip. The speed, with which you can take the corners, is the highest of all yet tested cars. Well, it is a race car after all. The speed to 280 km/h is crazy, from there on it's rather "tame" though. Still, this is a highly impressive piece of machinery. I love it.
This car has really an insane amount of downforce and grip. The speed, with which you can take the corners, is the highest of all yet tested cars. Well, it is a race car after all. The speed to 280 km/h is crazy, from there on it's rather "tame" though. Still, this is a highly impressive piece of machinery. I love it.
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- New Brunswick
I've actually had 3 rx-7's 2 mk 1's and 1 mk 2. Will see if I can summon my inner writer and do up a comparison of all 3 for you.
- 6,281
- Ottawa
- Pyano1132
I know that feel bro. Went through the same thing here personally. I was in high school during the days of GT6 but now I barely have time to follow up on anything around here anymore or to even hop on most weeks because I'll be working the morning shift at a retirement home. I also have a feeling that I'm going to get busier as the years roll on.
I remember saying I was going to review the last two cars that were around here. I don't think those ever materialized. I'm also behind on my requests for liveries at the moment and haven't touched my PS4 in a week.
- 2,456
- South Auckland, New Zealand
- Nismonath5
(I thought the Jim's joke went over the heads of everyone who wasn't Aussie / Kiwi, but I thought it was funny.)
The FC RX-7 isn't really my first choice in 90's Japanese sports cars. Like most rotaries it has little in the ways of grunt, weak torque and a loose, spongy handling character. I can see why so many kids love them as drifters, though. Easy to throw in, and even on sport tyres and lacking power it wasn't hard to break grip.
It just doesn't excite me though. Not really much else to say about it. Hopefully the Zonda will prove more exciting to talk about.
- 1,738
- Singapore
- XSquareStickIt
I totally hear you guys. I'm only free to race (sometimes) and do these reviews only because of the "big 19". COTW races happen at 10:30am my time, so if life ever goes back to normal for me, I will never be able to race you guys again
I'm glad to be here racing and reviewing as long as I can though. I'm glad too that I'm not the only one who thinks the FC isn't that good. I keep thinking maybe I'm too cynical in my reviews, or I'm too much of a spoiled brat. Glad to know I'm not completely off my rocker.
The Zonda is a car that I've been wanting to say a few things about, from trashing it around Nurb GP in a practice session for last week's Nations race. I'll do a quick impressions of it later this week. Right now I kinda want to do a closing... sendoff... thing, for the FC. At the end of the day, it's a Rotary, and it's always going to have a special place in my heart, as evidenced by how I've two of them in the game, a white one and a red one.
I completely forgot I edited together and uploaded a video of me lapping the Nordschleife in my white FC. The big difference here is that this lap was done without ABS, before I learned that the turbo models came standard with ABS. It was a very slow and messy lap (8:27.805, 3.9 seconds off my other video in the red FC).
I will echo @ringkurier 's sentiment that the FC is a very good car to learn driving techniques in, albeit still not the best one. It's soft suspension is very good for understanding weight transfer. Its slim tyres makes it a good teacher for learning how a car behaves when transitioning from grip to slip, at speeds that won't immediately kill you. The lacking power curve is good for understanding and learning when to shift, as well. Most importantly, being an 80s car, when ABS wasn't that common, the FC is a car that doesn't come with unnecessarily gigantic brakes for show. It's not a car that relies on ABS to be driveable. It still has enough to cause the tyres to slip under excessive braking force if you just stomped on the brakes willy nilly, which in my very unscientific measure, is "enough" brakes.
I wouldn't recommend driving without ABS in GTS, as I hear the tyre model simulation isn't very true to life when it comes to brakes locking. I imagine however, in real life, the FC will be a very good teacher's car, just with a DTSS delete. At the end of the day, I kinda still inexplicably like it, just for being an RX-7, in spite of all of my complaints against it. It holds a lot of sentimental value to me, as I start the PS1 era GT games with a used FC under 10k credits. It's always on top of a list of exotic supercars and fire breathing race cars because of it.
I still respect the heck out of anyone who still drives this 40 year old granddad of a car, when *ahem* better options exist. The dedication to keep these things on the road is insane. And anyone who drives a Rotary feels like family, to me (even though I don't own one but shush you!)
I'm glad to be here racing and reviewing as long as I can though. I'm glad too that I'm not the only one who thinks the FC isn't that good. I keep thinking maybe I'm too cynical in my reviews, or I'm too much of a spoiled brat. Glad to know I'm not completely off my rocker.
The Zonda is a car that I've been wanting to say a few things about, from trashing it around Nurb GP in a practice session for last week's Nations race. I'll do a quick impressions of it later this week. Right now I kinda want to do a closing... sendoff... thing, for the FC. At the end of the day, it's a Rotary, and it's always going to have a special place in my heart, as evidenced by how I've two of them in the game, a white one and a red one.
I completely forgot I edited together and uploaded a video of me lapping the Nordschleife in my white FC. The big difference here is that this lap was done without ABS, before I learned that the turbo models came standard with ABS. It was a very slow and messy lap (8:27.805, 3.9 seconds off my other video in the red FC).
I will echo @ringkurier 's sentiment that the FC is a very good car to learn driving techniques in, albeit still not the best one. It's soft suspension is very good for understanding weight transfer. Its slim tyres makes it a good teacher for learning how a car behaves when transitioning from grip to slip, at speeds that won't immediately kill you. The lacking power curve is good for understanding and learning when to shift, as well. Most importantly, being an 80s car, when ABS wasn't that common, the FC is a car that doesn't come with unnecessarily gigantic brakes for show. It's not a car that relies on ABS to be driveable. It still has enough to cause the tyres to slip under excessive braking force if you just stomped on the brakes willy nilly, which in my very unscientific measure, is "enough" brakes.
I wouldn't recommend driving without ABS in GTS, as I hear the tyre model simulation isn't very true to life when it comes to brakes locking. I imagine however, in real life, the FC will be a very good teacher's car, just with a DTSS delete. At the end of the day, I kinda still inexplicably like it, just for being an RX-7, in spite of all of my complaints against it. It holds a lot of sentimental value to me, as I start the PS1 era GT games with a used FC under 10k credits. It's always on top of a list of exotic supercars and fire breathing race cars because of it.
I still respect the heck out of anyone who still drives this 40 year old granddad of a car, when *ahem* better options exist. The dedication to keep these things on the road is insane. And anyone who drives a Rotary feels like family, to me (even though I don't own one but shush you!)
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- Rob_on_Drums
connection issues ruined last night. Hope we can drive the Zonda tonight. Enjoy two races with the RX-7 from last week.
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