Changing tire types during races

[Superhero Wally]

Does anyone know if changing tire types, i.e. R1 to R2, during an endurance race will lower a-spec points?

Sorry if this has been covered, but i was unable to find anything with the search results.

 

[Mayuri Ootsuka]

you get Aspec for your starting front tyre type.

You may alter to any tyres during the race of the same type
(N or S or R)

If you start on Normal tyres you will not be able to change to Sports tyres (And Vice versa)

Actually you can, but you will not infact change to sports tyres, but you are locked to Normal tyres.

 

[Superhero Wally]

Yes, I am aware of that, but what I am asking is will changing to a softer compound during the race lower the amount of a-spec points i win in that race.

 

[AMG.]

Yes, I am aware of that, but what I am asking is will changing to a softer compound during the race lower the amount of a-spec points i win in that race.

Nope, as mentioned by Mayuri Ootsuka your starting tyres define A spec points.

AMG.

 

[Mayuri Ootsuka]

A-spec is locked the moment you start the race. And fixed on you initial choice of front tyres.

If you change to softer compounds later then that is fine. But if you think starting on Normal tyres will get a huge ASpec haul, don't think you can switch to Sports tyres to

 

[Superhero Wally]

Alright, thanks for the info.

 

[Luca]

A related question - doesn't your opposition use the same tires as you? And if you're in a long race that requires a pit stop, if you choose to change your tire type, do your opponents change to the same tire type when they go in for their next pit stop?

I was just thinking that would be an easy way to make certain endurance races easier (not that they're terribly difficult in the first place)... if you can handle driving on Super Hard tires, you could start a race with Super Softs and then switch to a harder compound, forcing all your opponents to pit, say, every 4 laps while you only have to go in every 12-15 laps. Even if your lap times are slower you'd still get way ahead. This would work for both A-spec and B-spec.

 

[un_peacekeeper]

No, they have their own strategy.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

A related question - doesn't your opposition use the same tires as you? And if you're in a long race that requires a pit stop, if you choose to change your tire type, do your opponents change to the same tire type when they go in for their next pit stop?

Using the only words ever spoken by Marcel Marceau on film...

"NO!"

The AI do use different tire types and compounds for specific races, but never different tire types and compounds in the same race - and as these tire types and compounds are preset, they have nothing to do with the type of tire and compound you use.

 

[Duke]

A related question - doesn't your opposition use the same tires as you?

This is only in Arcade mode. Arcade opponents enter the race on the same tires as you do, but they stay on them throughout the race, even if you change.

 

[SirBerra]

One of the ways to win Endurance races for 200 A-spec points. Modify the car for more HP and install the hardest tires you can manage to stay on the track with just to make that precious 200 A-spec point mark. On the next pit stop you can change the tires for ones with more traction and you're good to go for the rest of the race.

No loss of points for the tire change.

 

[Holdenluva001]

well i did wat u r talking about i started with medium racing tyres and ended up going into the pits and getting hard on front and medium racing tyres on the bak. but i didnt check the points. Y coz i dont care about them points.

 

[Metar]

Try not to 1337-type or AOL-type next time.

But why the hell would anyone put harder tyres on the front, except for FF drivers (and those aren't any good for endurances)?

 

[Mayuri Ootsuka]

I actually put harder fronts on my Alpine for those quirky French races. Bit of a cheap fix for the oversteer. (Cheap as in I didn't buy any suspension parts.)

Better A-spec
Better handling car

C'est magnifique!

 

[djblackmon]

On my Pescarolo, my front tires are always green and the rear red, what tires should i put??

Right now F + R - RM

should i put

R - RSH
F - RSS??

 

[Luca]

Too extreme. I generally go either RSH (rear) + RH (front) or sometimes RH (rear) + RM (front) if I or Bob has trouble handling the car with the really hard tires.

 

[Metar]

Mayuri Ootsuka: This sounds nice... I'll try that on the Lancia Stratos. (I haven't won the Alpine yet..)

Luca: Bob has no trouble with the Pescarolo... And sometimes (depends on the type of track), this car can easily use the Rear-R1(RSH) Front-R3(RM) combo

 

[RoadHazzard]

To finalize this discussion (from another thread)...

Since there haven't been many suggestions regarding it, I'd propose the following methodology... One I'll leave for others to try...

The two main characteristics of Tires (not rims, regardless of which class/grade of tire is used) are Grip and Wear. A particular set's Grip chars. will show up in the Average Lap Times. Wear chars. will show up as how many laps can be run with them before they go from blue to red.

The car that is used to test for "Tire Class Swapping During Pitstops" should use 3 sets of tires, one each from Standard, Sports, and Racing classes. It'd be best to use a "Road Car" (one that comes pre-equipped with S2s, with no other Tires purchased for it yet), and only two sets should be available at any particluar time. This will ensure that the game can only choose between two (and not three or more) classes/grades of Tire.

- Take a car (pre-equipped with S2s) to the Tune Shop and purchase R5s, leaving them un-equipped.
- Start an endurance race, and run on the S2s until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Select the R5s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the R5s

- Reset the console, and take the same car to the Tune Shop, but purchase N1s this time.
- Enter the same endurance race, and run on the S2s until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven (to confirm the previous run's numbers).
- Select the N1s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the N1s

- Exit the race, go to the Tune Shop, and purchase the "missing" set of Tires (N1 if the car already has S2s and R5s, or R5s if it already has S2s and N1s).
- Enter the same endurance race, starting on N1s, and run on them until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Select the R5s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the R5s, and trying to switch to N1s.
...

Assuming we can all agree that there are marked, noticeable differences between N1/S2/R5 Tires, doing the above should indicate whether the game allows for switching between Tire Classes, and what it will actually switch to when we try. I'd recommend using a high-powered Road Car, at the Tokyo endurance. The high power should easily break the N1s loose, and Tokyo is a quick run-around with high-speed turns..

Just my $1/50...

Have A Great Drive!
RoadHazard

This challenge has now been completed.

Car: Nissan R390 road car.
Event: Tokyo Endurance

Results.

Car starting on S2: after lap 10 my fastest lap was a 1:55.000 ish (first lap standing start was 2:02.000 ish.) Came in to the pits and select N1 tyres. Lap times for the next 10 laps were consistantly 1:56-1:57

Car Starting on N1: After 2 laps my times were 2:20.000 ish and 2:15.000 ish. (I knew then the tyres were ) Came in to the pits and selected S2 tyres. Lap times for the next 2 laps were 2:22.000 and 2:15.000

Car Starting on R5: After 5 laps my tyres were red. fastest lap was 1:46.000 Came in to pits and I could ONLY select Keep Current or R5 Tyres. (even though the car had N1, S2 and R5 available before the race.

So there you go. this test says that yes you can select a different tyre type (S - N) however you will get the type you started on.

Indeed, I got similar results and behavior when I used the SILEIGHTY. I'll add that when starting this particular race with this particular car (Tokyo Enduro W/SILEIGHTY) on N1 or S2 tires, it didn't give me the option to use the R5s. I am unsure as to whether other races allow for switching to other tire classes/grades (in the pitstop menu, not necessarily in actuality). Furthermore, tire wear characteristics were DEFINITELY unchanged when trying to switch between tire classes.

I didn't do any testing in the case of "which tires are actually used when trying to switch from S3s to N1s, when ALL of N1/N2/N3/S1/S2/S3 Tires are purchased/available for the vehicle" question... I'm satisfied with the findings to this point.

Good stuff! Thanks for the input/confirmation, OpenAddict! 👍 I have my 1hour+ video still saved, but it's still in .avi form, and at 13.7GB, it's a doozy to convert and upload. I'm going to need the disc space soon...

Have A Great Drive!
RoadHazard

 

[GTsail]

Changing tires during pit stops:

I was doing my pre-race research on the 1000mile Race and saw the discussion about changing tires. When I first started looking for 200 point races a year ago, I also saw a discussion about this same topic and I did a quick test of this issue. I did not post it at the time because I was just a Nooby. My tire test follows:

I got in my Black Nismo 270R, drove to Suzuka and rented the race track for the weekend.

Not wanting the lap times to be influenced by my own driving skills, I put B-spec Bob in the driver's seat and I sat on the pit wall with my clipboard and stopwatch. At Suzuka, in the Practice Mode, I had B-spec Bob run three laps on each tire type (all previously purchased and installed), while I recorded the best lap times during each stint as follows:

Tires Lap time
----- -----------
N1 2.44.3
N2 2.37.3
N3 2.32.2
S1 2.28.3
S2 2.26.3
S3 2.24.9
R1 2.22.3
R2 2.19.4
R3 2.17.9

As you can see from the above lap times, as the tire grade got better, the lap times improved as well.

I then reset the console, so I could run my next series of tires tests on the exact same car with no additional mileage on the odometer.

I then went back to Suzuka and entered the Suzuka 1000km Endurance Race with my Nismo 270R. My expert pit crew sent B-spec Bob out on the track shod with N1 tires. I would then have Bob run a warm-up lap and two decent laps, and then I would bring him in on lap four to change tires (I had my pit crew top off his fuel each time to make the comparison equal). From my perch on the pit wall (where I could safely yell out encouragement, like faster, faster, faster!) I recorded Bob's best lap time from each set as follows:

Tires Lap times
----- ----------
N1 2.46.7
N2 2.39.6
N3 2.34.5
S1 2.46.1
S2 2.45.9
S3 2.46.7

The game does not give you the option of changing to race tires during the pit stops even thought I had purchased them for the Nismo. The other cars on the track (various Touring Race cars) did not interfere with Bob's results because they were all 30 to 40 seconds a lap quicker than my Nismo which has only 304HP.

It is quite evident from my results that you can not change to Sport(S) tires from Standard(N) tires during pit stops, even though the game seems to give you the option. If you try to change the tires, the game puts you back on the tires that you started the race on.

I also ran a test race starting on S1 tires, and let B-spec Bob run three laps on S2 and S3 tires (he recorded times of 2.30.8, 2.28.5 and 2.26.4). I then tried to change his tires to N1 and N2, but the game put me back on S1 tires (the tires that I started the race on) because in both cases, my best lap time was 2.30.8 again.

I also ran a test race starting on R1 tires, but this was uninteresting because the game does not allow you to change to anything other than race tires during the pit stops.

My results are similar to what Open Addict found above.

In conclusion, during pit stops, you can change your tires within each "grade" of tires (ie. from S1 to S2 to S3, if they had been previously purchased) but you can not change to a different tire grade (ie. you can't go from Standard to Sport to Race tires).

Respectfully,
GTsail290