Check out the rear view mirror...
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No my very clear simple point is no cars have a visible spoiler, or anything for that matter, in the rear view mirror! It wasn't a question of my Ferrari knowledge fella........
So im thinking at some point Turn 10 must of wanted this in the game but it occurred only once then disappeared when i drove it a second time....
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- bryphotoguy
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I assume you do own Forza 4? If so its pretty clear that cars dont have anything in the rear view mirror at all certainly from FM1-4............. so the picture alone should tell a thousand words.
OK i got the car wrong, it was the F355 Challenge, but still regardless.....its pretty cool and if its a bug or whatever its a shame its not in the game as a normal feature....
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- bryphotoguy
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You did assume correct- I own and play FM4 and two weeks of game time in FM3. But I do not put those ridiculous spoilers on my car so wouldn't have noticed anyways. In fact, when thee is a spoiler delete, I usually do that modification. My point was that you didn't make it perfectly clear as you think you did and by telling me you are making assumptions only furthers my belief.
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hold it ladies.
I have seen it happen once or twice and thought it actually was pretty cool.
I have seen it happen once or twice and thought it actually was pretty cool.
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- bryphotoguy
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Who you callin a lady? 
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Yeah love it when this happens - especially awesome when your car has active aero / airbrake and you see the spoiler rise in the rear view
Though it only seems to happen online when theres around 12 to 14 players in the game...
It happens to me offline too, mostly when I use the Ruf RGT-8.
Nothing at all to do with putting 'ridiculous' spoilers on cars as it is a glitch, al beit a cool one. Further more the Ferrari F355 Challenge has a 'ridiculous' spoiler as you put it, as standard................ not all spoilers are pointless barry boy chav modifications....some actually work for the good....
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- Jamezinho
- Jamezinho
The Forza aero does look a bit crappy on most cars, though. Which makes it a shame that I only know of one car that has adjustable non-Forza aero parts, the Alfa 155 Q4.
At least the classic cars can look good and get a bit of downforce
I don't think they're that bad but I know what you mean. I guess, after playing GT5, I appreciate the option to put adjustable aero on all cars.
There should be more designs for adjustable aero spoilers, I agree. I quite like the adjustable rear spoiler design on hatchbacks (like the Megane 250 RS or Scirocco) in the game. At least they look a bit different. It's just a shame they can't be painted or have vinyls applied to them.
My dream is for Shift 2 style body kits and works upgrades. The ability to turn a normal road car into a full-on race car with full race cockpit is one of that game's best achievements. I'd be happy with a smaller car roster if we could do this in Forza.
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That would be ideal, yes. However, I'd be quite happy if T10 just allowd us to adjust the downforce of the licensed aftermarket aero parts. Also, rear diffusors should add downforce, too, if you can add them. Well, that, and being able to put at least fender flares on our cars to widen their track with for better handling.
That should be possible, I'd think. Some of that is already in the game, anyways, albeit limited to only a few specific cars.
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This can happen on any car, I think it's awesome and it should have been a permanent feature of the game. It is after all a true point that when you put a wing on the back of a car it totally ruins visibility.
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- bryphotoguy
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What about all the normal items that block viability like the rear pillars and rear seat head rests. Why does no one notice those reflections are missing? What about the cross beams from the roll cage?
To whoever mentioned that a bit of downforce is needed and this is a racing game so the large spoilers aren't ridiculous as I called them, maybe you haven't noticed but you are indeed turning every car into a ricer not a race car. What makes a ricer? Crazy spoiler, big body kits on a stock car. How is any different that what you can do in-game? It's not a race car.
To whoever mentioned that a bit of downforce is needed and this is a racing game so the large spoilers aren't ridiculous as I called them, maybe you haven't noticed but you are indeed turning every car into a ricer not a race car. What makes a ricer? Crazy spoiler, big body kits on a stock car. How is any different that what you can do in-game? It's not a race car.
Why dont you email this to Ferrari and explain how you believe that they, with their history and racing pedigree and talent and money......have got it wrong....i mean they are only one of the most desirable of car makers after all...
BTW you are totally wrong.
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If you don't want a rear spoiler on your car then fine. Those that want to add a race spoiler to increase and adjust down force will just beat you through the corners.
You obviously like domestic cars which is fine. But like he already said: This is a racing game, not the streets where you have your little 16 year old fast and furious battles against "ricers". I don't know if you have noticed but racing companies don't throw on rear spoilers for looks. I don't think McLaren Red Bull thought "You know what would look good on our F1 car? A huge ricey spoiler."
Arguing with personal opinions. [SARCASM] 👍 [/SARCASM]
Prove me wrong with facts and I'll listen. Otherwise
OK fact 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_(automotive)
fact 2: Ferrari added that spoiler to the F355 Challenge because it needed it, not for looks.... quite how you think you know better than them is beyond me, you tell me how many World Championships, and races your cars have won.....and i'll listen....otherwise...
BTW pretty sure Scaff wont be too happy with your latent racism either....
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- Jamezinho
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That was me. The quote button is obviously hard work for you.
Anyway, nothing at all "ricer" about adding wings and spoilers. They are essential components for any serious racing car. As previous posters have said, aero mods are performance upgrades and go well beyond aesthetics.
If Forza, for you, is about driving unmodified street cars then that's fine. Personally I take no pleasure in that. For me it's about racing cars suitable for the track. Therefore most of my cars undergo heavy race modification.
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- bryphotoguy
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You say that and I will be honest with you. I race B and A class for the most part. My fastest B class car out of my half dozen tunes I've built for that class is an Acura NSX and it has no adjustable aero. Even with all the crashing going on online, I always end up towards the front of the pack with that car. I am not saying aero never helps a car but sometimes it's better to be a good racer than an average one with aero.
I am not arguing the fact that race cars don't need spoilers. They certainly do. I am arguing the fact that slapping one on doesn't make any car a race car. I believe you will agree with me there.
OK fact 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_(automotive)
fact 2: Ferrari added that spoiler to the F355 Challenge because it needed it, not for looks.... quite how you think you know better than them is beyond me, you tell me how many World Championships, and races your cars have won.....and i'll listen....otherwise...
OK, well, you are correct. Spoilers are needed on race cars. I never doubted you there. I am very much involved in the auto industry so I know how basic aerodynamics work. More than engineers at Ferrari? Heck no. But you are too focused on Ferrari in this argument. Ferrari isn't the only manufacturer in the game is it? Do you put front and rear aero on your F class cars, E class cars, D class cars, etc.... (That is a question I would like to know cause it determines to me at least when you believe adjustable aero affects speed or cornering abilities.)
My whole point is what i just mentioned above to ville style, not every car in this game is a Ferrari or a race car. Just adding body kits, aero, and go fast parts don't make a car a race car. I mean, does a Chevy Sonic with aero and a turbo really equal a Ferrari 355?
My point about proving me wrong with facts was your comment about Ferrari being as you put it, "....only one of the most desirable of car makers after all...." That is what your whole reply was about (Ferrari being so desirable) which is what I wanted you to back up with facts. You missed the point.
My latent racism? I would love to know where so i can fix that cause i am not intending to be racist. I don't think i've attacked you or anyone on a personal level in this thread.
It is when you're on a slow, buggy smartphone. Classy.
See above.... So, let me know when I can convert my ACR SRT4 into a serious race car in-game. To me, a serious race car involves seam welding, aluminum body panels, and basically a frame with a rollcage. No real glass, no cat, nothing. When I can use wide body kits and do all that stuff as someone mentioned that can be done in Shift 2, you're really still coverting a street car for race purposes and not doing it properly. And to me, that's the difference between racing and ricing.
All my cars go through a full lighten and I add wider tires, added grip and every adjustable modification possible in-game. They are in no way unmodified. But as mentioned above, I wouldn't call them race cars.
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Can we drop the term 'ricer' right now please.
It has almost nothing but negative meanings and I've seen it start more than enough flame wars over at GTP, which is why we don't let it get used there and why its not going to get used here.
On the general subject of aero and spoilers in particular, in the real world they are often fitted to cars (particularly in the aftermarket) for nothing but cosmetic reasons, offering no real advantage and plenty of negatives.
However a good number (and not just those fitted to the likes of Ferrari) do offer an advantage, not as many people believe in providing actual downforce, but in helping reduce lift. Lift will occur on just about any car once you start to get much above 70-80mph and above 130mph its significant for almost all road cars.
Not something to worry about on the public road for most people, but on the track its a consideration that needs to be made.
For the record I do fit active aero on most of my cars that I set-up for on-line racing, but that's as part of a package of upgrades designed to get the most out of the points available to use in any given class.
Scaff
It has almost nothing but negative meanings and I've seen it start more than enough flame wars over at GTP, which is why we don't let it get used there and why its not going to get used here.
On the general subject of aero and spoilers in particular, in the real world they are often fitted to cars (particularly in the aftermarket) for nothing but cosmetic reasons, offering no real advantage and plenty of negatives.
However a good number (and not just those fitted to the likes of Ferrari) do offer an advantage, not as many people believe in providing actual downforce, but in helping reduce lift. Lift will occur on just about any car once you start to get much above 70-80mph and above 130mph its significant for almost all road cars.
Not something to worry about on the public road for most people, but on the track its a consideration that needs to be made.
For the record I do fit active aero on most of my cars that I set-up for on-line racing, but that's as part of a package of upgrades designed to get the most out of the points available to use in any given class.
Scaff
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There's a top gear magazine? Hmmm
There's a reason you can sometimes use Forza aero to drop a few PI points when trying to squeeze the most performance into a given class (usually on slower cars). Same effect as adding DUB/Lexani rims.
In my experience, by forgoing Forza aero and Race suspension/everything, you can end up with a much faster car than your online competition, since it allows you to add more power. Some tracks will hardly punish your reduced cornering performance, and there's less danger of rolling your car on curbs.
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