Civic vs Sentra vs Corolla vs Protege

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Considering all generations of the car, which model do you preffer?

  • Honda Civic

    Votes: 17 32.1%
  • Toyota Corolla

    Votes: 13 24.5%
  • Mazda Protege

    Votes: 12 22.6%
  • Nissan Sentra

    Votes: 11 20.8%

  • Total voters
    53

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Of these 4 which one of these is the best from it's first generation to it's current generation. And provide specifics in bother technical aspects and personal emotional/bias aspects, and hold the flames and insults to NONE. Let's keep this civil like the other VS threads please.

Rule: Only these cars can be chosen, none of this "I'd rather have [x] car." please.

I'd choose the Nissan Sentra for 2 very good reasons and 1 not-so-good reason.
  1. It has had an SE-R model with gobs of power.
  2. In my opinion it looked better over more of the generations.
  3. It's a bloody Nissan for christ sakes. [Nissan bias alert!]
Let's get this thing started!

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Can a Moderator please add a Poll...I forgot.
 
Are you including the successor of the Protegé, the Mazda 3? Anyways, my vote goes to the Mazda Protegé. They've been reliable, decent fun to drive and heck my family has owned a 1999 Protegé LX Touring Edition once, very fun car. Never has it failed on us in the 3 years we've owned it. It also came with a MazdaSpeed version, and in the later years was equipped with a callaway Turbocharger! The handling of these cars were quite incredible in stock form, they may have not had as much power as its competitors but it sure made up for it when it came to the twisties.
 
Are you including the successor of the Protegé, the Mazda 3? Anyways, my vote goes to the Mazda Protegé. They've been reliable, decent fun to drive and heck my family has owned a 1999 Protegé LX Touring Edition once, very fun car. Never has it failed on us in the 3 years we've owned it. It also came with a MazdaSpeed version, and in the later years was equipped with a callaway Turbocharger! The handling of these cars were quite incredible in stock form, they may have not had as much power as its competitors but it sure made up for it when it came to the twisties.

The Mazda3 isn't technically a Protege. According to Mazda and Wiki.
 
At first, I counted Protege out. But when I started thinking about these cars in terms of their first generation models to the newest models, I'd actually pick Protege, because they've been the most consistent. This car has much shorter history compared to the other three, so I don't know if that's fair though.

I did own a '96(I think) for a couple of years. It was a great handling little car, and awesome build quality. Infact, the quality was so high, that when I bought my '98 Accord a couple years later, I was not impressed by it at all.

P.S. I think it should be 323/Protege/3.
 
At first, I counted Protege out. But when I started thinking about these cars in terms of their first generation models to the newest models, I'd actually pick Protege, because they've been the most consistent. This car has much shorter history compared to the other three, so I don't know if that's fair though.

I did own a '96(I think) for a couple of years. It was a great handling little car, and awesome build quality. Infact, the quality was so high, that when I bought my '98 Accord a couple years later, I was not impressed by it at all.

P.S. I think it should be 323/Protege/3.

But the Mazda3 isn't a Protege. Just about every place I checked said the 3 isn't a Protege.

I like the Protege, but the SE-R Sentra is more fun to drive than the MazdaSpeed Protege.
 
Poll added as well as what will probably be the only Corolla vote. :sly:
Go Toyota!
If you think it's boring than you need to take a ride in my Corolla- hint, the car is never as important as the driver! :trouble:

:cheers:

 
But the Mazda3 isn't a Protege. Just about every place I checked said the 3 isn't a Protege.
It isn't, it's called "3". But it was the direct replacement for the Protege though, wasn't it? If this was about Taurus/Fusion, I'd agree with you, but personally, I'd say 3 should count as Protege for this poll. 323 is a given.
 
I'll get laughed at for this, but Corolla. Why? AE86!

Despite the stigma that's been attached to it, due to the Initial D association, when it all comes down to getting on the road, the "hachi" is a gloriously fun car to drive, and awesomely mod-friendly.
 
Corolla's the bestselling of the bunch. I don't think Corolla fans should be ashamed at all.
 
I'm a Protoge fan, I must admit. Why? One word defines it:

"Balance"

People often go about looking for cars that suit their looks, personal tastes, etc while others go out and look for cars that get the best scores in reliability and driveability, etc. Me? I want to "feel" the road and "connect" with the car as if it were a living object, and of the choises, I feel it does the best job for doing so.

...That said, there are limitations to my love of the Protoge. Personally, I really only "love" the 1999+ Protoges, as they were indeed the best looking, and overall had the most appeal to them as a rational choise for a Japanese sedan. This was about the time that Honda completely ruined the Civic, Nissan really only cared about the SE-R, and Toyota decided to keep the Corolla boring, again...

I spent some time with a 2002 Protoge5, and I loved it. The feel was spot-on, with a somewhat "Germanic" overall feel to the car. It wasn't a life-changing drive, but it did make you appreciate good design in a cheap car. The engine wasn't overly powerful, but it was playful, added to that an easy-to-operate gearshift that made changes quite easy to do. We nearly bought that electric blue Protoge5, but we held-off.

God knows, maybe I'll pick one up used one of these days... The only problem is, its Japanese, and I don't know if I can switch to the "darkside" like that so easily. I'd still rather have a Golf or Jetta by comparison to the Protoge, but it is certainly one of my favorite economy cars out there to this day.

It really is too bad that the Mazda3 didn't quite live up to everything it's predecessor represented, but even then, the Mazda3 isn't that bad.

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A roundup of why I don't care for the others:

The Honda Civic: Too many people have them, in particular stupid people, so I don't want to follow the masses. Added to that the car is horribly overrated in most cases, and you end up losing more money given it's higher insurance rates than what you would stand to "gain" in resale value and fuel economy. The only Civics I would ever buy would be the old CRX Si from the early '90s and the late-model Civic Si coupes from the last batch of "good" Civics.

The Toyota Corolla: Can anyone say "Vanilla?" We had one at one point, and although we certainly did appreciate it's reliability and ease of use, it simply isn't a driver's car. Of course one could argue for the "extreme" models of the '70s, '80s, and early '90s, but we're talking about newer models here... Whats that leave you with? The Corolla XRS, and even then, they are killing it after 2007! The car is just too "soft," as that is why you see teenage girls and old people driving them...

3) Nissan Sentra: While it was once my favorite compact car, it certainly has lost it's "edge" in that battle. It was always the wild-child from Japan in the small car segment, that one with all the power and had no idea how to use it. I've always liked the Sentra better than the Civic, and the same rules still apply. I'd only ever consider an SE or SE-R model, as I'm still searching for that "feel" part of the equation, but the Sentra has one major flaw: Its too "crude" to be a serious compeditior all the time. Hopefully the next-gen Sentra will change that, as it really only stands to gain ground in it's segment...
 
I know few people if any will agree, but I like the looks of the Protege, best in Mazdaspeed form.
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Just...ditch...the...spoiler...
 
I like how the Corolla is winning and yet the voters didn't explain why...
 
But the Mazda3 isn't a Protege. Just about every place I checked said the 3 isn't a Protege.
Yes it is. And the "6" is really the next generation of the 626. Mazda wants everyone to believe that these cars are "not" merely replacements, but wholly new models (in order to ditch their previously bland image). And that is true; both are complete redesigns, but they take the same spots in the lineup.

I vote Protege, BTW. I drove a 1990 Protege (first model year, I believe) for a couple years in high school. It's the slickest little car I've ever driven, and a great deal of fun, considering it was a compact sedan. I've heard the new 3's are top-notch as well. I'm considering buying one once I have the means. I've driven each of the Civic/Sentra/Corolla, but they just don't have that fun factor, and they're quite vanilla. They have their place, but that place is not my garage.
 
Well i love the Honda Civic, im not saying i dont like the others because i do but in my opinion the Civic is my best of the bunch, i think they are great cars, very strong engines, good variety of engines especially the B-Series. The bodywork however is made of thin metal so it does dent easy.

Ok so how many fool is driving around with a Civic with a stupid spoiler and a large industrial pipe at the back, but that happens with all cars and most people dont remember that!

I had a Civic hatch for two and a half years and the only points i didnt like about it was the insurance costs, i never spent a penny on repairs (nothing broke !) only for tires, brakes - anything that wears out! and the only reason i got rid of it is to save for an Integra Type-r or an SiR-II.

The good thing though, as i stay in the UK, Civics arent hated here, we have worse cars than Civics being 'Ricer'ed. Mainly Corsa's, Astra's, Clio's, Most Peugeots (106, 206, 306, etc...)!
 
some generations really stick out among these, so its hard to pick a "best overall" for me. and sometimes its just a particular model, like the 323GTX, or sentra SER or the honda civic hatch VX that got about 50mpg

id go honda though. even though i hate thier stupid fanboys
 
The Mazda3 has nothing to do with the Protege, except maybe in the engine department, as the MZRs are developments of the old 1.6 blocks. (the US 1.8 and 2.0 Protege engines are from the now-defunct FS family). The Mazda3 is based on a shared Volvo C-platform. I'm not sure how much the Mazda6 platform (the basis for the Escape and Tribute) shares with the Mazda 626, but I was struck by how similar in size, space and feel the 6 is to the 626... same low-slung chassis, same stiffness of the rear (although the rear end feels much more sophisticated than my 626's) and same of-a-piece-feel to the steering (but the 6's steering is miles better).

I'm obviously voting for the Protege. YSSMAN explained it completely, but I'll bore you with my version anyway:

The 323s, even the early ones, were noted for their good handling balance and engaging drive, even in the plain jane vanilla 1.6 versions. They were never the best cars, being just slightly less durable than a Civic or Corolla, and the engines were nothing to write home about, but they just "did it" for some people.

The Protege just took that formula and made it better. The driving feel is spot on, especially in a P5 or MP3, with the quicker ratio steering. The suspension is firm without being brittle (at least, not until you wore the damn bushings out) and the steering wheel was as communicative as a BMWs (if you were to believe the car mag guys who'd actually driven both back to back). Sure, it'd understeer at the limit, like any front driver, but it had such a wide "sweet spot" where the car was completely neutral (neither oversteering or understeering) and completely obedient to your commands. Throw one around in a parking lot, and it'll gamely kick the rear end out, unlike most front drivers.

It still wasn't the best car. The shifter feels like it's ****t*ng itself to pieces if you drive "hot" for too long... Mileage isn't a match for a Corolla or Civic (again), and Nissan's SE-R (the last one) was still a much faster car than the MP3, with similar handling benefits, but the Protege just makes you feel happy the moment you turn the wheel.

Thankfully, Mazda retired the Protege nameplate before subsequent "improvements" could make it heavier, slower and less lively. That's why I voted for it.

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The Others:

The Corolla: Despite the bashing, I have respect for this car. I don't count the rear-wheel drive versions because that's patently unfair to the other cars, and a modern Corolla has about as much in common with any RWD Corolla as 350Z does to a 240Z. Wait... maybe even less.

Still, there are the "hot" Levin models to consider, and the Corolla has had its share of sports models. A modern Corolla has terrific suspension balance, with a stiff chassis and little body roll, but even in the fastest Corollas I've driven, the steering wheel is never a focal point of the experience, and power only makes you happy on the straights.

Still, the latest Corolla is a big improvement on the previous one, but still not the best car out there.

The Civic: numbers will tell you this is the best compact ever. Personally, it's a nice car. Early SiRs are like motorbikes with four wheels. No torque, but you'll love it when you get past 5000 rpm. They drove like motorbikes, too... nimble, but with a healthy dose of understeer. The relatively long wheelbase makes handling stable, but you need to modify it to get the balance you want.

The last Civic and the current Civic just don't provoke excitement like the old ones did. Suspensions too soft, no steering feel at all (even with the new quick ratio rack, the steering wheel just leaves you feeling unsatisfied). Handling has improved in the new one, but video-game style driving might never be my thing.

The Sentra: I'm a former fan. The B13's independent suspension and short wheelbase make it slightly more chuckable than a Civic (if you can believe it...) and the SE-R version was a blast (that's the reason why we bought the MP3... it reminded me so much of the "classic" SE-R). The Sentra was never about being the fastest car, but about being a competent driver with good controls and decent power.

I didn't vote for it because later versions just kept growing bigger, fatter, heavier and less sporty. The rear beam axle cured any neutral steer the model once had, and steering feel is now nowhere near the Protege's. The cars are still great once you modify them... but there's the rub... you have to pay extra to get it to drive nicely. The latest SE-R is a good car, but it could've been better if Nissan had just stuck with the plot, kept the IRS and kept the weight down... :(
 
Corolla:


The AE86 model is a legend in the car world and the later models never failed on reliability.

The latest Corolla is the unbeatable here in Norway if you look at the sale numbers of cars.

To add, the latest T-Sport is one sweet car 👍
 
The corolla.

one little jumble of numbers and Letters. AE86.

Name me one of those other cars that has ever ridden on a rear-dirve platform.
 
I actually voted for the civic. Just because of it's legacy over the years. Currently, I think that the B15 is "ok" But I like the B13 better over all.

The current civic Si is a good car mechanically, but the interior is beyond stupid.

I don't count the corrolla on the same level. (except for the FR levin/AE86)

The protege is actually quite cool, but simply not my style.

3) Nissan Sentra: While it was once my favorite compact car, it certainly has lost it's "edge" in that battle. It was always the wild-child from Japan in the small car segment, that one with all the power and had no idea how to use it. I've always liked the Sentra better than the Civic, and the same rules still apply. I'd only ever consider an SE or SE-R model, as I'm still searching for that "feel" part of the equation, but the Sentra has one major flaw: Its too "crude" to be a serious compeditior all the time. Hopefully the next-gen Sentra will change that, as it really only stands to gain ground in it's segment...

That's very very true. And annoying. My Spec has 170 foot-pounds of torque out of the box. Too bad that it also has radical wheel hop to go with it and suspension that literally can't keep up witht he engine. Oh well, that's why God invented suspension mods :)
 
First off, let's remember that every car is a driver's car since all cars need drivers! :p

Also, I suggest the difference between a commuter and a driver is only enthusiasm! :cool:

Now about some of the differences between the models...
First off, I can't talk too much about Mazda and Nissan. Never really drove the Mazdas and only occassionally drove a late '90s Sentra so my opinions would be lacking knowledge.
That said...

Old OLD generations... Corolla is king.
Old generations.... Civic rules.
Current generation... :confused:

Corolla and Civic...
Most of you know I just finished buying a Corolla S (there's part of my bias). This gave me the oppurtunity to compare these cars at 15,000 (my target price).

With that in mind, I'm going to discuss the Corolla S and the Civic DX (since the LX starts at nearly 17,000).

I feel like the biggest differences are in the appearances, styles of interiors, and the engine's characteristics (not to mention prices related to standard and optional parts).

How the cars drive:
As for predictability of steering and road holding ability (or as I call it, "handling"), both of these cars are very similar. However, the double wishbone rear suspension of the Civic does create potential. None the less, both cars ride on Struts up front with stabilizer bars on the front and rear. Of course, part of the difference in handling will come from the wheel & tire combo on each car (especially since options play a role).
Both cars also have front disc w/ rear drum brakes (unless optioned out on much more expensive Civic).
Options across the board are very similar as well.
However, generally speaking the Civic is more expensive but carries some extra standard equipment as well (some of which is optional on the Corolla).
(btw, the options and pricing differences mentioned here are a perfect note to move onto differences in my eyes)

Interiors...
This was the biggest factor for me when buying the car (why buy a car you don't feel good driving? It's not like you look at the exterior as you drive!).

Driver's Car? Trekkie's Car? Exciting? (Certainly does hug you well though :p )


Old Fogey Car? Boring? (Leather 3-spoke steering wheel :drool: ) :lol:

(couldn't find as many pictures on the toyota site so I had to use the 360 interior viewer) (kinda kills to see these .vs. those professional pics from Honda :ouch: )

Next is exterior... (we all know those, once again it's a matter of taste)

Finally, the engines...

Corolla: 1.8-liter DOHC 16-valve VVT-i
4-cylinder
126 hp @ 6000 rpm;
122 lb.-ft. @ 4200 rpm
(2615 lb. / 1188 kg. with Automatic Transmission)
(In GT Terms: 9.433 PWR & 9.742 TWR)

Civic: 1.8-liter SOHC 16-valve i-VTEC
4-cylinder
140 hp @ 6300 rpm
128 lb.-ft. @ 4300 rpm
(2690 lb. / 1222 kg. with Automatic Transmission DX model- lightest of Civics)
(In GT Terms: 8.733 PWR & 9.546 TWR)

So, the Civic takes an advantage with power while the Corolla is more light weight (the LX Civic is 2750+ and the EX is over 2800 lb. which puts them both much closer to the Corolla's specs).

Now that I've got all that out there let me say this...
I like both of these cars but the Civic's style was too much of a problem for the engine and rear-wheel suspension to overcome. The Corolla got my purchase because of appearance, interior style, and price (for 15,000 I just couldn't get the Civic I would want).

Btw, if you "don't count" the Corolla then you probably forgot about the XRS and this one- the Corolla Compressor. :rolleyes:
 
Corolla. I own an AE86 GT-S. Most fun I've ever had in my life. And they have been in the US since 1966. I used to be a Honda boy, but Toyota has produced some great cars.
 
The thing is, Jim Prowler and LastHours, the AE86 is not completely representative of all Corollas, as it wasn't on the same platform as the current (since the late 80's) Corolla.

If we count the AE86, we'll have to count the old Datsun 510 (another cool little rear-driver), because the AE86 has about as much relation to the AE101s and the like as the Sentra does to the Datsun 510 or the Silvia S11.

Whereas, all front-drive Corollas are iterations and developments of the previous one. All Sentras are developments on a basic chassis that goes back to the late 80's. Civics... I don't know... but they've all been front-drive. The Protege is another car that has evolved over a number of model generations.

Thus, the AE86 can't count... otherwise we should be able to count rear-drive platforms from other manufacturers, whether they shared the nameplate or not. :)

@Kent: I rate the XRS... but my priorities have always been in terms of handling, thus my Protege bias. :) If my primary values were reliability and high-revving power, I'd tend to vote for the Civic or Corolla.
 
I'm going to say Civic because its evolved nicely into many different forms over the 30+ years the line has existed. The early 1970's Civic was one of the first Japanese cars on American soil to combine fuel economy, emissions, and reliability to the masses. It changed a lot of people's minds about buying a small car in this country.

It branched out into the CR-X around 1984, shortly followed by a 4WD wagon (later to become the CR-V), a small-sized sedan, and later, the handsome coupe, and sporty Integra, and of course, the on-off saga of the hatchback. There was a Civic for nearly all tastes, at a nice price.

They made the commuter car a lot more liveable, in my opinion; simplicity of parts and design for the sake of reliability and ease of repair costs/modification. I'm not going to say it's an exciting car, but you don't feel like you've made a poor decision for saving a little money on transportation.

Overall, it's quite the all-round, entry-level platform, in my opinion. Although the Mazda Protege is a little more fun, it hasn't been around as long, and is based on two cars, the sedan and wagon (at least in terms of US availability and badge engineering). The Sentra/Corolla have pretty much one body style, although the RAV4 is also Corolla-based, and it's been that way here for many years. The recent-generation Corolla and Sentra are marketed as "one-size fits all", although they have their sporty models as well (no thanks to Toyota for killing their XRS for '07...it wasn't selling that well, anyhow compared to the Scion tC). Keep in mind, I'm talking about the history and availability of these cars in the US market.

So my vote is for the Civic.
 
I'm voting for the Protege. The car is a great well balanced little thing and the MSP is one of my all time favorite cars. It was one of the first cars I actually got to drive in twisties at "spirited" speeds and it was a blast!
 
The thing is, Jim Prowler and LastHours, the AE86 is not completely representative of all Corollas, as it wasn't on the same platform as the current (since the late 80's) Corolla.

If we count the AE86, we'll have to count the old Datsun 510 (another cool little rear-driver), because the AE86 has about as much relation to the AE101s and the like as the Sentra does to the Datsun 510 or the Silvia S11.

Whereas, all front-drive Corollas are iterations and developments of the previous one. All Sentras are developments on a basic chassis that goes back to the late 80's. Civics... I don't know... but they've all been front-drive. The Protege is another car that has evolved over a number of model generations.

Thus, the AE86 can't count... otherwise we should be able to count rear-drive platforms from other manufacturers, whether they shared the nameplate or not. :)

@Kent: I rate the XRS... but my priorities have always been in terms of handling, thus my Protege bias. :) If my primary values were reliability and high-revving power, I'd tend to vote for the Civic or Corolla.

Okay then

Corolla, because I love my '88 Chevy Nova. so there. XP
 
Niky, that's total BS. :rolleyes:

Fact is, the AE86 is a Corolla and one of the earliest Corollas (if not the first, don't know though :confused: ).

Plus, I am almost 100% sure every other car on the list has made a platform change at some point in time.

More importantly the Datsun 510 is not a "Sentra." The 510 became a "Stanza" which I believe used a FWD design, but we aren't talking about the Stanza (later replaced by the Altima).

Heck, we're barely mentioning cars like the Mazda 3 simply because it is accepted as outside the Protege line. The Corolla AE86 on the other hand is specifically a "Corolla" and one of the earliest ones. You just can't ask for a more true breed of Corolla than that.

If anything, the FWD'ers are the ones to not be counted (unless you want to make this a fwd only party?). Even then, most Corolla criticisms are so cliche I have a hard time accepting them. Boring schmoring. :rolleyes:

I noticed you totally overlooked the 215hp Corolla Compressor hatchback I posted pictures of in the bottom of my post. That's not an XRS at all... That's a 215hp supercharged beast with everything I would ask for in a compact FWD sports coupe.

Finally, I just want to mention this... (obvious, but)...
I've been thinking this over and I think the biggest issue in this topic of discussion is "what are we judging?"

All of these cars (as far as I know) were born as economy cars and eventually, the 4-door economy sedan became the standard for each.
That said, are we comparing the basic cars or are we comparing the factory tuned versions like the SE-R, Si, and XRS?

(Btw, I see the XRS as the weaker tuned car in the overall and recognize it as an incomplete realization of the Corolla, which is now being realized in the Corolla Compressor). (too bad that will be so limited in production :banghead: )

In any trim level the Corolla will always be the one of this group with the most concessions for family / commuter driving.
I'm guessing this is why the Corolla is "boring."
Then again though, when I judge these cars I'm not looking for the least body roll and the highest cornering speeds; I look for what I need in life (a family car / daily econo-commuter).

That is why I value outside appearance and interior style over 0-60 and skidpad ratings. Plus, I rarely go to the limits of the Corolla's suspension and engine when I drive (although I have pushed enough to know they aren't that low). So... I do understand why the "Corolla" is boring to some but to me that just isn't enough to ignore everything else I really need.

Lightweight, smooth ride, torquey engine, and a stylish interior make Kent a happy boy (even if life will not permit a sporty, high-revving, manual transmission dream car). :ouch: :( :indiff: :dopey:

:cheers:
 
Okay, I just figured out why i have such disdain for the Civic. I mean, it's not like it's a bad car...but there's a stigma attached.

Because people do this to them.

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Not that the others are immune. I mean,

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(well, okay, that one's not that bad....)
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(Oh, wait, that's a CIVIC grille...)
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(Again, not that bad...)

But, I found FAR more hits for the Civic on Google Image Search than the others. (Those there..the worst I could find)

Don't believe me? try typing "Tuner Civic," then "Tuner Corolla," "Tuner Protege," and "Tuner Sentra" into your favorite image search engine, and see which one gets you the most hits. My money's on VTEC.

the thing is, I see SO many Civic (and Eclipse) Ricers in my home town, it isn't funny. So, I tend to have a disdain for Civics.
 
the thing is, I see SO many Civic (and Eclipse) Ricers in my home town, it isn't funny. So, I tend to have a disdain for Civics.
I'm not basing my choice on how many Civics have become transmorgified by the pipe dreams of teenagers, but on the long-lasting quality of the product. I've seen Lexuses, BMWs, and even Porsches that were hit with the ugly stick several times upon ownership, but that doesn't disqualify the basic car as "bad" because some people have questionable ideas about how to change it.

It's a safe bet that 99% of Honda Civic owners never attempt to modify the car, anyhow.
 
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