CSA & Gr3 MR Cars

[Lost Sheltie]

I chose McLaren for the FIA manufacturers and have been nowhere on pace, and couldn't figure out why.

After messing around on Brands Hatch, Interlagos and Nurburgring GP last night with the 650s I seemed to get loads of understeer with CSA switched to strong in the slow corners. When I switch CSA to weak/off then the car seems to take these slow corners better.

Now I am not good enough to know for sure, but could CSA strong actually make MR cars slower?

Could one of the better drivers have a look? Maybe CSA isn't the magic bullet for all cars I thought it was. And I know I shouldn't really be using CSA, but spinning aimlessly in races reduced my fun level a bit

 

[flamingchariot]

don't use csa unless you are using ds4 or driving with tcs and acs off with MR cars you need to play with brake balance a bit perhaps i find they behave better when you put a bit towards front, slower is faster and build up your lap times incrementally you can't nail every section of every track perfectly every time particularly with other cars in front of you...concentrate on corner exit speed don't cpme in braking hot and heavy as you can't roll out and get on the power immediately its no good blitzing straights and heating up your brakes all you are doing is cutting down your average speed ...hope this helps try and be smooth as a mutha

 

[GTWelsh]

CSA strong probably isn't understeer, it's correcting absolutely tiny amounts of oversteer by reducing your steering angle.

 

[NJ72]

Every car is different, and every assist affects every car differently.

 

[Lost Sheltie]

Yeah I could be completely wrong, or maybe it is just peculiar to the Mclaren 650s gr3, but thought I would ask if anyone else had noticed this.

Personally I think it is all Tidgney's fault as watching his BoP video persuaded me to try it, and you obviously need some real skill to get the Mclarens driving fast

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I'm also using the McLaren for the manu cup with CSA but I go to training lobbies with CSA banned so I have experience in both cases

I won't really call it understeer, since looking at the apex speeds and all it's roughly the same. I'm thinking the term that's more fitting is that it's more stable? Not that the McLaren needs more stability, but a bit more could certainly help especially with low speed corners

The McLaren's surprisingly fast though. I'm currently at 3284 points for the manu cup; good for 21st in the region as long as you can combat that horrible fuel consumption, you're good.

 

[CaptainAlan8]

Yer I get the same feeling from csa. Slow corners (like druids at brands hatch) you’ll find that csa stops you turning in and you can’t carry as much speed through the corner.

 

[Robben]

but could CSA strong actually make MR cars slower?

Yes. And I got shot down by all of the "purists" who say that using CSA or TCS or ASM automatically makes you a top 10 driver :facepalm:

Using any assist will cost you precision and/or speed.

 

[GTWelsh]

Yes. And I got shot down by all of the "purists" who say that using CSA or TCS or ASM automatically makes you a top 10 driver :facepalm:

Using any assist will cost you precision and/or speed.

Only CSA Strong is OP

 

[ststav01]

The only assist that I find can give you precedence, and this is in some scenarios, is the CSA - any other assist will make you slower - the CSA, at least in many of my races when I was using it saved me from spinning - it will not make you faster but it will make you feel safer the easiest test that you can do is to play with it off for a few hours, get used to the car you drive so that you will not spin, and then turn it on - I can assure you that the car will feel as it is on rails.

 

[Venster]

MR cars tend to get oversteer under braking into corners, so if the CSA is correcting that the negative affect will be understeer. Given how many people use CSA and usually a lot of the top 10 times I doubt it’s having any negative affect on pace. Personally I hate the feel of CSA, would rather spin and lose! Can understand people have to use it especially with DS4, but it needs to be adjusted it’s a OP it’s not even a real assist.

 

[ASH32]

MR cars tend to get oversteer under braking into corners, so if the CSA is correcting that the negative affect will be understeer. Given how many people use CSA and usually a lot of the top 10 times I doubt it’s having any negative affect on pace. Personally I hate the feel of CSA, would rather spin and lose! Can understand people have to use it especially with DS4, but it needs to be adjusted it’s a OP it’s not even a real assist.

It does but only in fast or sweeping corners, as along with the heavy understeer feel it still corrects non-issues and that can slow you down a bit. Some cars it'll affect more than others too, both by helping you and by hindering you (at least for part/s of the lap).

Like with today's race at Brands with the Gr4 4C I'm much quicker in the first two sectors than my past best now using CSA but overall I never matched my non-CSA lap from before, as it's harder to go fast in the last part of the lap, although technically I probably could have matched it and set a new best.

In the slow stuff it does really help with stability and allows you to put the power down more. It also helps if you run off track (but it's not impossible to spin even with it on if you do this) and/or if you use lots of kerbs or runoff, so for a race it will help more than it hurts most of the time.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

I started using CSA Strong last Thursday as I feel like it makes my wheel less shaky. It feels weird with FFB losses and I think it prevented me from getting in the 31s in the Citroën like I usually do. It could also be that I take too many risks thinking CSA will save me from spinning. I’ll do more testing and I’ll lower it to Weak.

 

[Venster]

I agree it has its negatives and positives in certain areas, but my underlying point remains the same that if it was detrimental to pace the top ten would not use it, i don’t think it makes you faster. I still a perfect lap with no assists would marginally beat a CSA lap, or at least I hope.

But your point about getting out of a corner faster, I’ve noticed this in a race at brands. This is where I don’t agree with CSA, I understand people need to use it and I don’t mind if people do it’s up to them they bought the game and it’s my choice not to use it (probably a mistake) but to me IMO it shouldn’t give an advantage like that, it should help you stay on the track and nothing more.

Nothing against anyone using it though, PD designed it like that and entirely up to the individual if they like it or not, I just don’t.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

But what doesn’t make sense is this idea that assists should make you slower. TCS is real life makes you faster if the engineers are smart. It’s all about having computers do what a human would do but much faster and without reaction times and feedback misinterpretation. That’s why series ban TCS, ABS and ESC (ASM).

I think PD poorly programmed TCS and did a great job with ABS and CSA as they do give you an advantage. Maybe too good to the liking of most players haha

 

[CaptainAlan8]

I agree it has its negatives and positives in certain areas, but my underlying point remains the same that if it was detrimental to pace the top ten would not use it, i don’t think it makes you faster. I still a perfect lap with no assists would marginally beat a CSA lap, or at least I hope.

But your point about getting out of a corner faster, I’ve noticed this in a race at brands. This is where I don’t agree with CSA, I understand people need to use it and I don’t mind if people do it’s up to them they bought the game and it’s my choice not to use it (probably a mistake) but to me IMO it shouldn’t give an advantage like that, it should help you stay on the track and nothing more.

Nothing against anyone using it though, PD designed it like that and entirely up to the individual if they like it or not, I just don’t.

If you look at the top3 times from every gr3 race this week I bet hardly any will use csa. Not the complete alien times anyway.

I’m convinced at the highest level that it makes you slower. The slight understeer is enough to cost you a tenth or two a lap.

Just for most people the added stability far outweighs the negligible amount of understeer.

 

[Venster]

If you look at the top3 times from every gr3 race this week I bet hardly any will use csa. Not the complete alien times anyway.

I’m convinced at the highest level that it makes you slower. The slight understeer is enough to cost you a tenth or two a lap.

Just for most people the added stability far outweighs the negligible amount of understeer.

To be honest I don’t really watch the top 10 replays so much these days, certainly ones that don’t use it and very quick. It’s just the original post suggests that it is slowing MR cars down which given the number of top 10 times I’ve seen using it I don’t think it has any significant impact on pace.

I agree, at the highest level I think the fastest lap would probably be comprised slightly. Personally, although I’m not an alien by any stretch it does make me slower, I tried it, felt weird and my times didn’t improve so quickly ditched it again. Although I’m sure if I used CSA it would have saved me a couple of times so the main benefit is stability for sure.

 

[Nando deBem]

To CSA users, do you think tire degradation changes when CSA is on? I’d try to guess it’s lessening the front tires wear and maybe maintaining the same or worsening the rear tire wear. Is it true?

But what doesn’t make sense is this idea that assists should make you slower. TCS is real life makes you faster if the engineers are smart. It’s all about having computers do what a human would do but much faster and without reaction times and feedback misinterpretation. That’s why series ban TCS, ABS and ESC (ASM).

I think PD poorly programmed TCS and did a great job with ABS and CSA as they do give you an advantage. Maybe too good to the liking of most players haha

I think it’s about the game aspect. People want the most skilled players to win, and, even though that’s not how real life works, no assists tend to require more skills. I’m not arguing people shouldn’t use them. I really don’t care.