Daytona Prototypes

[PhatFat]

I was wondering what you guys think of Daytona Prototypes, I think they would be awesome in GT4 although I doubt we'll see them.

 

[hellnback]

Is it just me, or do most of the Daytona Prototypes look... 'ick', like they've been designed by ppl with no design skills whatsoever...

Only two of those look nice, the Black No.58 and the Maserati...

I'd rather have the LM's, FIA-GT & FIA-GTS class vehicles... before we get the Daytona Prototypes...

Heck, I'd rather have some of the old Can-Am vehicles, or even some of the TransAms...

 

[3rdgenracerX]

Waits for JohnBM01 to enter, he'll raise a storm of dislike about the DP's

It would be nice to have just 1 in the game, really only one is needed since they are a spec series. 2 of the same cars would be pointless even with them having a different paint job. I'd much rather see LM,ALMS that 5 DP's.

 

[Venom800tt]

I never did like Daytona Prototypes. I allways perferd Le Mans, IMSA, and Croup C prototype coupes over them. DP's looks like the NASCAR's of sports cars....

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Yeah, Daytona Prototypes are nowhere near in the same league as LMPs. That said, haivng one or two would add a bit more to GT4, just so long as the Daytona Circuit isn't in. There's already one oval (Motegi) in there, so it would be kind of like adding a second drag strip.

 

[-Fred-]

"Dippys" shouldn't exist. Not only are they butt ugly, they're also insanely slow. I'd rather see some more ELMS/ALMS protos, to join the others.

 

[kinigitt]

yeah trans-am can-am cars would be cooler, simply for the fact that they don't look like they were dreamt up by 8th graders.

 

[RedOak]

as far as racing design goes... give me the DB9 Race .... oh my god... its a beauty

 

[PhatFat]

I just think 1 or 2 would be nice.

 

[kinigitt]

I just think 1 or 2 would be nice.

yeah, add a little bit more variety I guess.

It's pretty amazing when you think about it; you can drive anything from a Model T to an Audi LMP, all in one game.

I kind of forget how insane that is.

 

[JohnBM01]

You were waiting on me to storm in here, brother 3rdGen? Look no further! John of Houston, TX, USA will speak again on Daytona Prototypes. Now, I've made commentary earlier with this link:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1271132&postcount=68

I was praising and all, wondering if I can get a witness. To me, Daytona Prototypes are good because they are about the only real American sportscars we have. In another sense, this is marketed by the NASCAR bigwigs. Back in 2000, the Grand-Am debuted. I remember watching ESPN (they actually shown road racing before, I believe) and checking out the cars and stars of Grand-Am. Mind you, this came a year after the ALMS debut. My first thing I said about Grand-Am is that it's a very wonderful sportscar series that could rival with the ALMS. I'm not trying to get on GARRA's nerves, but when they moved to this "Daytona Prototype" deal and basically making all the race cars closed-top exclusives, I've basically lost interest pretty bad. I don't know if it's as bad as the Army Black Knights last season (0-13 record), but Pepto Bismol doesn't make a formula for eyeing these Daytona Prototypes. I know they're just getting started, but they need some serious adjustments before I can even enjoy these machines. Some DPs are pretty nice while others are disappointments. Some don't even look real aerodynamic. I think one of the Lexus-powered DPs kind of had Altezza-style taillights. But if you're going to make a Daytona Prototype, at least make it like a beefed-up version of a street car. Imagine a Toyota Celica done up so that it looks more like a Lotus Elise GT1? But what does Grand-Am do? They bring up these unreal machines that are supposed to be as better as the ALMS machinery. Guess what? Mission failed. I'm not racing a Daytona Prototype to try to own the big boys. I'll take a Toyota GT-One. I'll take a BMW V12 LMR. Hell, I'd even take the turbo-fire-prone Mazda RX792P. Daytona Prototypes? They need a shot in the arm bad. It begins with better styling, sharper performance, and alluring lines. But until then, I treat Daytona Prototypes like a beautiful woman made ugly by a bad choice of fashion and ugly looks = ignore. Player, you GOT to dig me on this one, "dawg!"

Off-topic note, hope your Auburn Tigers do well this weekend, PhatFat. (^_^)

 

[ND4SPD]

Those things look out of proportion, they'd look better if they didn't have those tops, on another note I'd think it'd be nice if they did have these in Gran Turismo 4. The more the merrier.👍

 

[JohnBM01]

I talk about this in the "Driftig and Other Motorsports" forums at:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45561

So check it out if you want to talk about Daytona Prototypes in racing or in general. DPs are more of alienation from traditional sportscar racing, and replacing it with its own brand. You know, it's kind of like when someone takes a sport from one country and creates its own like it's the best in the world. Some of you know where I'm getting at, but yeah. Daytona Prototypes are marketed by NASCAR bigwigs. So when you have something STOLEN from someone else and that group comes up with something totally new to try to show that it's the better product, its success is varied. I've seen a picture of a Ford Focus Daytona Prototype model that actually looks better than the model now while retaining a lot of the orginal Ford Focus. Another thing about them is that from certain angles, they look pretty nice. But all around, I'm not so sure. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm not turned on by Daytona Prototypes. Look at what Grand-Am got rid of: open-top sportscars (big ass mistake), many of the exotic and elegant race cars, American GT (which I thought was more of modified Trans-Am cars, but nothing more American nonetheless), and stuff like that. And Daytona is no Le Mans no matter what ANYONE says. It's only a Le Mans wannabe now that Grand-Am (and NASCAR) ruined it. But if I had to choose which is better, I may just want those Dorans, but that's about it. Maybe take the Citgo DP that Venezuelan beauty Milka Duno (http://www.milkaduno.com) races. But unless DPs produce something to take on other real racing machines, I'm not impressed. I guess you can say that Daytona Prototypes are NASCAR stock cars with lights, lighter weight, real engines, better tires (even rain), and the most traditional element- ass-o-listic looks. And I just don't see myself racing a Daytona Prototype at Grand Valley or even Nurburgring Nordschliefe. I'm sorry.

 

[Touring Mars]

My opinion is a bit more simple... KY once said that if a car has ever been raced, he would like it to be in GT some day... I agree! Also, as a devout user of the chase-cam view, I think these cars could fall into the BFB category (better from behind), hence the ugly thing wouldn't bother me (I'm only talking about cars, by the way, before you ask )

 

[hellnback]

Also, as a devout user of the chase-cam view, I think these cars could fall into the BFB category (better from behind), hence the ugly thing wouldn't bother me (I'm only talking about cars, by the way, before you ask)

Hmmm, I only use 'chase cam', as you put it, on License Tests, when in Simulation I tend to go to the view with track only, although it'd be good if we had a bonnet choice to try out...

 

[PhatFat]

Off-topic note, hope your Auburn Tigers do well this weekend, PhatFat. (^_^)

Thanx

 

[Buggy Boy]

They'll probably be slower then the other prototypes, but I don't mind, as long as the specs in GT4 are correct, I'll love to drive them. The more different cars of all times and classes, the better for me 👍

 

[JohnBM01]

Off-topic before I begin. PhatFat, your Auburn Tigers beat up Arkansas. Rejoice!

Daytona Prototypes are basically a step in the right direction when it comes to spec racing cars from America... or at least exclusive to America. Remember, I've seen them as Grand-Am's answer to European-style sportscars. I guess their deal is "when you do things yourself, you can knock off anyone." Well if you ask me, pit a DP over LMPs and GTPs- the DPs are going to get blown out (like Texas Tech beating down Nebraska last week). Pit a DP against GTS cars, the GTS machinery will probably drive away like they were go-karts taking down funny cars. In fact, with their specs, I don't think they would even be accepted at Le Mans without a lot of tuning or revisions. And even though they are American-exclusive basically, I'd hate seeing one at Le Mans. I don't think it would hang with the big boys. And like I said, I'd rather race a Radical sportscar than a Daytona Prototype. Also as I said, Daytona is no Le Mans even if it is a 24-Hour race. So it's lose-lose.

 

[cudadude2]

grand am
: SGS
: GT
: DP Blech

 

[McLaren]

Well Daytona Prototypes don't seem to hard to tell what they are. Anyways, cars from the Grand Am, Can Am, and I guess these cars would be a cool addition to the series. But Yamauchi may not be too familiar if these racing series, so I kinda doubt they'll be in.

 

[JohnBM01]

I think the Grand-Am has variety in Grand-Am Cup and SGS and GT classes, but other than since the start of the 2004 season, it's basically been a glorified GT series. Absolutely NO open-top sportscars. If you emphasize exotic machinery and the best of technology and handling, you can't do that with only GT cars. I'd rather take a Porsche Carrera GT and build it up as a GTS competitor than build a totally new car that is basically ugly. I'm sorry. No DPs.

 

[nsx_vtec]

Fat fat dude you read my mind i love lemans and daytona prototypes they are the worlds fastest non open wheel race cars and how can that other guy say they're designed buy people with no skills why because they dont' look pretty and none of them are pink you fing faggot

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Er, no nsx_vtec. Le Mans is good. Daytona, however, isn't. The aerodynamics are totally different because they're designed to race around a circuit that is partially (if not totally) a banked oval, which is not the most exciting part of racing. As such, if you took a Daytona Prototype for a spin against an LMP around, say, Grand Valley, the LMP would be much faster. On a banked track, the Daytona would be faster, but not by much. Like John said, it's just NASCAR trying to be Le Mans. And they're all hideous. Even that Maserati.

And I wouldn't go around calling people *****ts if I were you. The Mods won't like it much. Especially if the person you're referring to reports the post.

 

[nsx_vtec]

Er, no nsx_vtec. Le Mans is good. Daytona, however, isn't. The aerodynamics are totally different because they're designed to race around a circuit that is partially (if not totally) a banked oval, which is not the most exciting part of racing. As such, if you took a Daytona Prototype for a spin against an LMP around, say, Grand Valley, the LMP would be much faster. On a banked track, the Daytona would be faster, but not by much. Like John said, it's just NASCAR trying to be Le Mans. And they're all hideous. Even that Maserati.

And I wouldn't go around calling people *****ts if I were you. The Mods won't like it much. Especially if the person you're referring to reports the post.

anyway do you really think that these cars are designed by people with no skills what a load of crap i dont see an automotive engineering degree on that guys profile. i know that the lmp's are much quicker about 850 nm quicker in tersm of the speed 8 but i stil admire these " light " version of the open type prototype and they are a thrilling drive, i had the pleasure to build and test a 400 kg 1300cc suzuki gt light in australia and there still ood for 200kph+ and can corner a fair bit quicker than most touring cars so heated arguemnet a side the engineer who buitl and set up that car is probally a very talented man

 

[JohnBM01]

Wow, that's the worst case of beating down someone because he/she don't share the same views as you do. It's almost like fighting over who's better in rugby: the Australia Wallabies or the New Zealand All-Blacks. My point is that Daytona Prototypes don't really have historical significance. I don't think they've proven themselves on a worldwide scale. Do some of you remember the American Le Mans Series in... 2000? Teams travelled in America, in Europe, and the "Race of a Thousand Years" on the streets of Adelaide. And all the while, showing off just how wonderful this series really is. I don't think a Daytona Prototype can hang with AT LEAST an LMP2. The Daytona Prototypes are basically GTP race cars that are toned down and not as exotic. Power is rather low, and I'd probably only race one at a road course that uses parts of an oval. Then, it's pretty much a waste because with all due respect, sportscars don't really have a place on ovals. If it's going to be a pure road racing series, it needs real ovals to be challenged. And with all the NASCAR racers who do some racing in this series, you'll need some real challenges. There are PLENTY of road courses here in America! About the best track they can use that the ALMS doesn't is Willow Springs in California. I think the track would be truly sweet for the Grand-Am.

Grand-Am is basically an attempt to make our own Le Mans. It's the same thing as we do with cars. Europe likes the nice Porsches and stuff while saying they're the most supreme sports cars in the world. While here in America, we have the Corvette in which we like to call one of the most supreme sports cars in the world. So it's kind of a bigtime loyalty deal. But my call still stands- Daytona is NOT Le Mans. I don't think you can impress anyone with Daytona. You can with Le Mans, Nurburgring, Spa-Francorchamps, Monza, Sebring, Road Atlanta... but not Daytona.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Wow, that's the worst case of beating down someone because he/she don't share the same views as you do. It's almost like fighting over who's better in rugby: the Australia Wallabies or the New Zealand All-Blacks. My point is that Daytona Prototypes don't really have historical significance. I don't think they've proven themselves on a worldwide scale. Do some of you remember the American Le Mans Series in... 2000? Teams travelled in America, in Europe, and the "Race of a Thousand Years" on the streets of Adelaide. And all the while, showing off just how wonderful this series really is. I don't think a Daytona Prototype can hang with AT LEAST an LMP2. The Daytona Prototypes are basically GTP race cars that are toned down and not as exotic. Power is rather low, and I'd probably only race one at a road course that uses parts of an oval. Then, it's pretty much a waste because with all due respect, sportscars don't really have a place on ovals. If it's going to be a pure road racing series, it needs real ovals to be challenged. And with all the NASCAR racers who do some racing in this series, you'll need some real challenges. There are PLENTY of road courses here in America! About the best track they can use that the ALMS doesn't is Willow Springs in California. I think the track would be truly sweet for the Grand-Am.

Grand-Am is basically an attempt to make our own Le Mans. It's the same thing as we do with cars. Europe likes the nice Porsches and stuff while saying they're the most supreme sports cars in the world. While here in America, we have the Corvette in which we like to call one of the most supreme sports cars in the world. So it's kind of a bigtime loyalty deal. But my call still stands- Daytona is NOT Le Mans. I don't think you can impress anyone with Daytona. You can with Le Mans, Nurburgring, Spa-Francorchamps, Monza, Sebring, Road Atlanta... but not Daytona.

The Wallabies of course!

Anyway, John I agree - what is it with you, you have this ability to always hit the nail on the head - Daytona seems to be a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing. Or should that be a sheep dressed up in a wolf's clothing???


... Never mind ...

 

[cudadude2]

a sheep in ugly sheeps clothing. ?Racing like anything else automotive need to follow the form follows function rule. Great racing cars are beautiful. the R8, the Bently, The prodrive 550, and C5R, the 360 gt's, and the gt3'3. If Grand Am cant make their rules in a way that the cars can be beautiful, they wont be fun to watch. And isnt that the point of racing, getting people to watch? The fact that they run GT class engines is fine, low power dosnt need to be bad racing, i accually think the racing part of DP's is ok. I just dont want to look at them while they do it.

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[McLaren]

Although Le Mans and the Rolex 24 hours are fun to watch, they are 2 completely different series.

Le Mans is quite more popular. However those cars would have to be switched to the GTS class if they wanted a chance in the Le Mans series. That or become the next Bentley Speed-8.

 

[kensei]

I was wondering what you guys think of Daytona Prototypes, I think they would be awesome in GT4 although I doubt we'll see them.

I have never seen the point of these ugly and boring cars. I've tried to watch a few of the races with them in it and turn it off in a few laps.

Why we need yet another sportscar prototype in the already scattered and fragmented sportscar world I will never know. Especialy one as drab and pointless as the daytonas.

But I agree. I doubt you will see them in GT4.

 

[drjoe1977]

i personaly hate daytona prototypes. i will prefer the speed series gt and touring cars. most of them are going to be in gt4 in stock version so it wont be hard to produce the speed series racing versionof them.