Do you support an independent Syria?

[MisterWhiskers]

A large war has gone off for a couple years. So, do you support rebel Syria? By independent, I do not mean with borders, but instead without the government. Sorry for the confusion!

Sorry guys. Didn't realize there was another thread on this. I think I'll close it.

 

[Ardius]

An independent Syria? Independent from what?
Do I support Syria? What, do you mean do I support the Syrian government, the Syrian people, the Syrian way of life, what?

I also feel that Syria is the least "yes/no" question possible. The situation is not as simple as that.

If you boil down the question to simplistic terms, you will get all of the same answers. But it does the topic no justice as its not a simple question. I doubt anyone is going to disagree with the desire for peace and stability...I'm pretty sure everyone would oppose war or chemical weapon attacks.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Syria is a landmass with defined borders, it's tough to support a landmass. I think you have to reword your question to something more specific. Do you support the gov't, the rebels, etc.

 

[Badasp5.0]

I support a Independent Kurdisan but that's about it.

 

[Rage Racer]

I wouldn't like Syria to be as "independent" as Iraq is today.
When you have terrorist acts almost every day on the streets of your city, you won't want that kind of "freedom". During Saddam Hussaine's regime, people could at least walk on streets without a risk of getting shot or caught in an explosion. They had a dictator in power but they were safe. And what now?
Now, this is a typical scenery of Baghdad:

 

[MisterWhiskers]

I wouldn't like Syria to be as "independent" as Iraq is today.
When you have terrorist acts almost every day on the streets of your city, you won't want that kind of "freedom". During Saddam Hussaine's regime, people could at least walk on streets without a risk of getting shot or caught in an explosion. They had a dictator in power but they were safe. And what now?
Now, this is a typical scenery of Baghdad:

Baghdad is not in Syria. The same thing happened with my country. People wrongfully thought we were terrorist, when we weren't. Do you ever see little kids killed, some walking with chemicals on them? Saddam? You know who went to war with Saddam, or what he did? That's right, America. What about Milosevic, my country Kosovo, Bosnia, and Croatia? The only dictators who did any good were Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslavia, under control of my country, and Enver Hoxha of Albania, my motherland. Even though Enver was atheist, he was a hero. I don't completely agree with communism, by the way. Think about it. You are under control of a country, willing to kill anybody you want, and it is wrong for freedom. Sure, I agree on the terrorism, it happens, but when you take that into account, all these people want is freedom.

 

[Villain]

The premise of this thread is flawed.

 

[Blitz24]

Baghdad is not in Syria. The same thing happened with my country. People wrongfully thought we were terrorist, when we weren't. Do you ever see little kids killed, some walking with chemicals on them? Saddam? You know who went to war with Saddam, or what he did? That's right, America. What about Milosevic, my country Kosovo, Bosnia, and Croatia? The only dictators who did any good were Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslavia, under control of my country, and Enver Hoxha of Albania, my motherland. Even though Enver was atheist, he was a hero. I don't completely agree with communism, by the way. Think about it. You are under control of a country, willing to kill anybody you want, and it is wrong for freedom. Sure, I agree on the terrorism, it happens, but when you take that into account, all these people want is freedom.

I think he's aware that Baghdad isn't in Syria. He is showing you what is happening in Iraq. Also, no idea what "independent" Syria means. Currently they are independent since it is its own country.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'll vote when the question is more clear. A better questions would have been do you support an Assad backed Syria, or a more democratic backed Syria.

 

[Villain]

I'll vote when the question is more clear. A better questions would have been do you support an Assad backed Syria, or a more democratic backed Syria.

I don't think that those are our two options. It's not like you can just remove his regime and replace it with a democracy all willy-nilly. Also, as far as I've understood this situation, the opposition isn't necessarily fighting for a democracy*. These mid-east crises are always far more complicated than a two-answer poll can do justice to.

*Please enlighten me if you have more knowledge regarding Syria and the groups that are fighting.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I don't think that those are our two options. It's not like you can just remove his regime and replace it with a democracy all willy-nilly. Also, as far as I've understood this situation, the opposition isn't necessarily fighting for a democracy*. These mid-east crises are always far more complicated than a two-answer poll can do justice to.

*Please enlighten me if you have more knowledge regarding Syria and the groups that are fighting.

No one is saying that, you're thinking to much about what my post just asked. The question that the OP gave is far more vague then me simply putting it down for the average follower this subject. It's simple keep it under the same power that has basically been there since the 70s (similar to Libya) or should the people be allowed a more democratic approach rather than the authoritarian one given.

I know good and well that they are far more complex, basically if the question is being asked it should be place in the context of either Assad or those opposed and an undecided one. This is all I'm saying, but instead of a critique wouldn't it be more sensible to retort with what manner you think the poll should go. That is if you have an idea.

Also what exactly would you like me to enlighten you upon, since I wasn't looking for a debate but rather a less vague and more concise poll to vote on.

 

[Villain]

No one is saying that, you're thinking to much about what my post just asked. The question that the OP gave is far more vague then me simply putting it down for the average follower this subject. It's simple keep it under the same power that has basically been there since the 70s (similar to Libya) or should the people be allowed a more democratic approach rather than the authoritarian one given.

I know good and well that they are far more complex, basically if the question is being asked it should be place in the context of either Assad or those opposed and an undecided one. This is all I'm saying, but instead of a critique wouldn't it be more sensible to retort with what manner you think the poll should go. That is if you have an idea.

Not really trying to argue with you, I was just saying that your suggestion to fix the options in the poll and therefore this thread isn't really much of a solution for the reasons I gave.

Think about it for a second:

Who do you support?

Current Assad Dictatorship: III
Democracy: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Also what exactly would you like me to enlighten you upon, since I wasn't looking for a debate but rather a less vague and more concise poll to vote on.

Anything you know about the Syria situation which I can't find by way of a casual google search.

That asterisk wasn't really pointed at you in particular, but rather anyone who would be willing to shed some light on a situation that I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm relatively uninformed about.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Not really trying to argue with you, I was just saying that your suggestion to fix the options in the poll and therefore this thread isn't really much of a solution for the reasons I gave.

Think about it for a second:

Who do you support?


Anything you know about the Syria situation which I can't find by way of a casual google search.

That asterisk wasn't really pointed at you in particular, but rather anyone who would be willing to shed some light on a situation that I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm relatively uninformed about.

Well that really isn't the case from talking to people here and in everyday, they think that there is more stability with Assad in power. And obviously a case can be made, one only has to look at Libya, Egypt and Iraq where the U.S. has had influence in over throwing and helping establish a "democratic" government.

As for your question you have probably three maybe four big rebel groups from what I've read that have several small units within. Free Syrian Army is the biggest, SLF (Syrian Liberation Front), and finally the other notable but vastly smaller yet worrisome is the Al Qaeda backed Al-Nusra.

 

[Enemem]

How come this thread wasn't closed? There's already one about Syria? Am I missing something. Though I am happy that this hasn't been closed.

Oh there's a poll!!! That explains it.

 

[Carbonox]

Even though Enver was atheist, he was a hero.

Are you claiming atheists are less likely to be heroes because they don't have faith in a sky fairy?

 

[Famine]

How come this thread wasn't closed? There's already one about Syria? Am I missing something.

Yep. Wouldn't worry about it though.

You see, in addition to not really enjoying having to take time out to deal with another petty brush fire and pressing buttons, we do like to sit back and watch a damned good car crash - while we can't kill people, we don't always have to save them either.

Fancy some popcorn?

 

[Grayfox]

How come this thread wasn't closed? There's already one about Syria? Am I missing something. Though I am happy that this hasn't been closed.

Oh there's a poll!!! That explains it.

because it is a question, some useless topic.

Syria is an ongoing saga so it is open.

Everything under the sun
It was a useless reply here plz for what ever reason type topic.

What if...... Moderators.....
Was an attempt to complain about the mods doing their job.

Syria ... what if.....
A topic that should not have been made since there is a topic about Syria.

 

[BobK]

Baghdad is not in Syria.

Wow! That's amazing! I didn't know that!

Perhaps you should look up the meanings of words like 'simile' and 'analogy' and become familiar with the concept behind them, then learn to recognize when the concept is being used.

The same thing happened with my country. People wrongfully thought we were terrorist, when we weren't.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Do you ever see little kids killed, some walking with chemicals on them?

Have you? Alive and in person I mean, not some TV footage?

With regard to the thread title, I'd say "yes". With regard to the poll, I have no idea what you're asking here.

 

[Blitz24]

Now that you have stated that independent Syria means without a government, I'd still be leery of supporting a country that I wouldn't know who exactly I am supporting in the country since I would have nobody to contact.

 

[Zona]

I don't support the Rebels and I don't support Assad. I don't want western intervention in Syria as it's their own issue and none of ares. I fear that if the US gets involved it will destabilize the middle east and we would have a huge regional war on our hands.

 

[DK]

The Middle East right now seems like Northern Ireland's Troubles (or the Thirty Years War) on steroids. It's pretty much a proxy war between the Saudis and Iran.

 

[Liquid]

I don't think that those are our two options. It's not like you can just remove his regime and replace it with a democracy all willy-nilly. Also, as far as I've understood this situation, the opposition isn't necessarily fighting for a democracy*. These mid-east crises are always far more complicated than a two-answer poll can do justice to.

*Please enlighten me if you have more knowledge regarding Syria and the groups that are fighting.

Look at Egypt.

I work with an Egyptian and he told me most Egyptians he knows say that they were thrilled to get rid of Mubarak, but severely dislike what has happened since then.

The irony in that case being that Mubarak was a CIA funded dictator. A dictator whom I'd never heard being called "dictator" until he was removed from power.

 

[nk4e]

I believe after getting the decision from Congress. We should take the next step to NATO and ask them what to do.

 

[Villain]

Look at Egypt.

I work with an Egyptian and he told me most Egyptians he knows say that they were thrilled to get rid of Mubarak, but severely dislike what has happened since then.

The irony in that case being that Mubarak was a CIA funded dictator. A dictator whom I'd never heard being called "dictator" until he was removed from power.

Exactly what I'm afraid of. 👍

 

[sumbrownkid]

I'd support a Syria that's not hell bent on cutting each other and show some humanity.

 

[FoolKiller]

Is this an oddly worded way of asking our opinion on intervention?

Do I think Assad is a guy who should be the country's leader? No. Do I think removing him will make things better? No.

This is a situation where I think our involvement should be held off until we know exactly who we are helping. As previously noted, there isn't one rebel group and some of them are backed by Al Quaeda. Who takes control with Assad gone? Do we get caught picking one group to aid and fighting the others to fill the power vacuum? Or do we take put Assad and then stand back?

Here are my three issues:

1) The people saying chemical weapons use are the reason are the same people who screwed it up with Iraq.

2) Not all the rebels are our allies and this could end the same way Afghanistan in the 80s did, with a new Taliban-style regime now with access to chemical weapons and having US supplied weapons to attack the US with.

3) With multiple rebel groups there is a risk that this civil war won't end with Assad. Many African nations have had a ruler overthrown, just to be torn apart by warlords. That potential exists right now.


Do I support an independent Syria, with some form of democracy free of the current dictatorial regime? Yes, but I don't believe that is an option on the table. And I'm definitely not sure we should be involved in making that happen.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There's no winning here, for anyone, especially the people of Syria. Either Assad the dictator who is likely gassing his own people remains in power and who would surely begin systematically eliminating his enemies by the thousands should he somehow emerge victorious from this, or Syria falls under the control of Muslim extremists and falls under the umbrella of Iraq and all that entails.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I don't support the Rebels and I don't support Assad. I don't want western intervention in Syria as it's their own issue and none of ares. I fear that if the US gets involved it will destabilize the middle east and we would have a huge regional war on our hands.

So even if people ask for help from the west, it should be ignored. Well if that's the case I hope you are consistent and tell the local vagabonds to get a job every time the ask you for some help. 👍

 

[BobK]

So you're saying that killing people and enabling more of same is the same thing as giving somebody a couple bucks? WTF?

 

[FoolKiller]

So even if people ask for help from the west, it should be ignored. Well if that's the case I hope you are consistent and tell the local vagabonds to get a job every time the ask you for some help. 👍

If that's consistency, I'm consistent. Although, I'm generally more polite to the vagabonds than the way you put it.