Does anyone Really drift like it was used originnaly?

[Picc84]

Does anyone drift for speed in races like the original Japanese? The real Drift-King had developed drifting out of a need for faster times. mostly in the turns. So does anyone race and drift the turns to keep speed up? or is this all just show?

No, I dont, i'm not good enough yet... Maybe in Beginner hall... lol

 

[Barracuda]

I wouldn't say its all for show. I mostly drift for the challenge and fun of it.

Some people have said my setup is more of a speed drifting setup, but i don't drift for a better speed, just for fun

 

[Perfect Balance]

The real Drift-King had developed drifting out of a need for faster times. mostly in the turns.

No he didn't, he drifted because he always won the races so he drifted to keep people entertained. Drifting is only faster on really tight hairpins in rally and stuff like that. Otherwise drifting isn't faster. The drift king himself said he drifts not because its the fastest way around a corner, but the most exciting way.

 

[M0nk3yBaIIz]

No he didn't, he drifted because he always won the races so he drifted to keep people entertained. Drifting is only faster on really tight hairpins in rally and stuff like that. Otherwise drifting isn't faster. The drift king himself said he drifts not because its the fastest way around a corner, but the most exciting way.

im not quite sure but i thought drifting could b as fast as grip not ony in hairpins. it jus depends on how u drift, i think.

 

[articzap]

Drift is only faster in a few certain corners.

 

[Tulok]

It is a matter of circumstances, and purpose, and your car/corner to tell wether or not drifting is faster.
Huge angle is slower, but if you whip the car around earlier you can keep the turbos spooled around a hairpin. A slight drift around an uphill sweeper can keep you from bogging sometimes. ITs not really the smartest choice to do it for a fast time...

I think about this all the time, but i haven't gotten around to it

 

[Wolfe]

 

[Greycap]

I do. If there is not enough grip to take the corner like I want to, then there is no choice but drifting through it - not high angle, not flashy, but usually pretty damn fast.

- R -

 

[MHFalcon]

I drift because I find it more thrilling than normal grip racing. I'll quote Tsuchiya.

"I drift not because it is a quicker way around a corner, but it is the most exciting way."

It's like fishing. Some days, you'll get what you want, and others you won't. But it's still fun, every single time.

 

[shangoob]

I usually use viper SRT 10 with 968 hp to drift and its quit easy

 

[Ske]

Some cars can go fast if you sort of slide it into the turn, but to get good times you can't hold drift much once you're past the apex. If a (RWD) car is prone to understeer, I'll make it oversteer a bit on entry to get it pointing in the right direction... For the record, it's more like "throttle steering" than drifting... slight oversteer is better than understeer in most cases, but if it's a tight race or you want a good time, you have to grip for the exit.

Anyway, once you get to angles where you need sustained countersteer, then you're surely losing a lot of time... but if I got a comfortable advantage on the track, I actually drift most corners. I can probably drift pretty fast compared to my grip times now, but that only means I'm a poor grip driver

 

[Martal39]

Some cars can go fast if you sort of slide it into the turn, but to get good times you can't hold drift much once you're past the apex. If a (RWD) car is prone to understeer, I'll make it oversteer a bit on entry to get it pointing in the right direction... For the record, it's more like "throttle steering" than drifting... slight oversteer is better than understeer in most cases, but if it's a tight race or you want a good time, you have to grip for the exit.

Anyway, once you get to angles where you need sustained countersteer, then you're surely losing a lot of time... but if I got a comfortable advantage on the track, I actually drift most corners. I can probably drift pretty fast compared to my grip times now, but that only means I'm a poor grip driver

What should one do to make his config useful for both grip and drift racing?
Like , whenever i use my RX7 (AIDS off, barring that unmodified) in a race i cant really ''grip race'' because its so oversteery.

 

[BLITZ_69]

I drift for fun and show. But at sometimes if i am racing and i get a little squirley i will drift the car to keep from spinnin out.

 

[Ske]

What should one do to make his config useful for both grip and drift racing?

Moderate your inputs.. the RX7s, at least FC and FDs up to 1997, are excellent for that kind of on the edge racing in my eyes.. they oversteer so easily you often have to drift a little, but you also need to sort it out by the time you pass the apex to get good speed out of the corners. The newer FDs aren't loose at all.

Basically be gentle with the throttle and brakes... try not to corner hard on lift-off, but apply some throttle as soon as you turn in to keep the rear end checked. Too much or too little throttle will make the tail slide out... You'll also need to learn how to transition from drift to grip when cornering for a quick exit... I think the FDs do that very smoothly personally, but I've always been a fan of 'loose' cars. It's all about how smooth you reduce countersteer and apply throttle.

 

[Keichi Tsuchiya]

No he didn't, he drifted because he always won the races so he drifted to keep people entertained. Drifting is only faster on really tight hairpins in rally and stuff like that. Otherwise drifting isn't faster. The drift king himself said he drifts not because its the fastest way around a corner, but the most exciting way.

If I'm correct, he first drifted in an official race when he was running dead last and figured he'd have some fun.

 

[Agent Smith]

I believe this is where zero countersteer drifting comes into play.
The idea being to get around the track with minimal steering inputs.
So to get around the turns, you send the car in a small drift and catch it as soon as the car is at the right angle to power out of the turn at full throttle.
When you get it right, the steering wheel is used more to transfer weight, not so much to turn the car.
Your feet control the rate of your turn.

 

[Ske]

I did a few runs at El Capitan right now to see the difference in numbers...

The car I used was a 1997 RX7 RS-R, only modifications were N2 tires, stage 3 weight reduction, port polish, engine balancing and stiffening... the rest was stock.

I managed lap times of 2.05-2.08 drifting every corner entry to exit, linking whatever's usually linkable. Gripping, even though it felt very slow and restrained, I ran between 2.03 and 2.04 pretty consistently... though I was having a few problems with understeer in slow corners and oversteer in fast corners. When I "followed" the car's direction, I shaved another couple of seconds off the pace... Some corners/sections were definitely faster if I let the car drift for a while, then held it tight for the exit. The hairpin was certainly faster with a bit of power over at turn-in.

I'm not so sure about zero counter for speed really... it works for some turns in some cars (what I usually call throttle steering), but as a rule I like to have traction when exiting a corner onto higher speed sections. I guess you could compare it more to rallying than to ID/KT... letting the car slide a bit instead of braking to scrub off speed and set you up for a quick exit. With N tires, the FD needs to be driven this way, at least for me. It's pretty twitchy at speed, so I find it easier to slow down and get into the line by brake drifting it.

 

[Eternal_Ronin]

Personally, I drift most an Amuse S2000 Street Version, and the car, being very loose by itself, I have a much faster laptimes around most tracks, than gripping it. Specially at Tokyo Route 264, the first corner, it's much faster to drift through it than to grip it, same applies for mainly all the corners through the course except for the S-curve((Turn 6-7)), where turn 6 is just a set-up for a high speed drift through turn 7. I plus, I've set the car up for throttle steering.

I'm having a bit of issues with the N tires, since the car has too much torque at 2nd gear, and it spins out easily, just be sensible with the throttle and it'll take care of you. Also tried the newer FDs, and they are stiff like a tree.

I believe, drifting, with enough practice and lap times, is capable of faster lap times, and if you manage to screw up minimally, you'd post consistent times, which is kinda a trouble for me sometimes, grip racing is more consistent for me, drift is more of a varied time though I can run pretty fast.

 

[articzap]

BS, S2000's don't have torque.

 

[shinmei2006]

i don't understand this nut swinging off tsuchiya nor the sheer dumbassery of some people to think that he invented it.

he's a great driver no doubt about it, but drifting is as old as auto racing...

look up "the 4 wheel drift"...back before paved track racing (i.e dirt track) racers would slide through corners like rally drivers...

 

[Eternal_Ronin]

The Amuse S2000, packed w/ 450+ hp, in 2nd gear, through a corner, and you'll see how easily it spins out, you have to be very sensible with the throttle, plus when you get out of the corner, you need to be gentle with it and allow it to climb smoothly, because heading out of the corners in 2nd gear, at full throttle, will only leave you burning rubber instead of going foward. My S2000 packs 424hp to the rear wheel, torque it doesn't display, but it could be well over the 300 mark.

 

[nk4e]

BBC Tv?

The Amuse S2000, packed w/ 450+ hp, in 2nd gear, through a corner, and you'll see how easily it spins out, you have to be very sensible with the throttle, plus when you get out of the corner, you need to be gentle with it and allow it to climb smoothly, because heading out of the corners in 2nd gear, at full throttle, will only leave you burning rubber instead of going foward. My S2000 packs 424hp to the rear wheel, torque it doesn't display, but it could be well over the 300 mark.

The Amuse AP1 does great with just N2 tires

This is a stock Amuse Ap1 at 250hp it seems fragile but its a good car. I think Sheron can do a better Speed run.

 

[Eternal_Ronin]

Honestly, I haven't tried a stock Amuse S2000, but I'll give it a shot later, I have two S2000s, a white one ((424hp turbo)) and a dark red one (( 350 or so, Naturally Aspirated)) I'll get a stock one later...

 

[atteiros]

In some corners, getting the car pointed in the right direction will be faster. If you get the tires to grip at the right moment, it gives you enough space to accelerate out. But in circuit racing, the tendency of a turn to exhibit this characteristic does not come often, nor will the time shaved off compensate for the loss of traction from a worn tire.

Some circuit drivers tend to drift some corners, but I rarely (as in Tsuchiya) do they do it intentionally, nor do they use it to get around the corner faster. Most of them will be doing it reactively when the rear slips, more than proactively.

Doing it in a non-circuit point to point type of race (Rally, togue racing, etc.) is usually where you can find people using it more often.

So I'd say yes, they still drift, but you'd never find it in most racing environments.

 

[Eternal_Ronin]

Personally, I dislike drifting just for show, the way it's going through mainstream, D1GP, it has SOME racing, cause they both are going fast and they are competing not only in drift, but they can't fall behind either...

Still, I like more pure drifting, over in the mountains, I drift ((in GT4)) through most street courses and I love them, also SOME tracks, like Laguna Seca and Tsukuba, but it is true that other tracks actually loose time if you drift through all corners.

In RL, I'm learning to drift though it's extremely difficult over here, since most roads are riddled with holes and bumps. I saw an RX-7 ((FD)) battling a Corolla XRS on the downhill, the driver of the Corolla was on his home turf, he was mad dashing through the corners, but the FD managed to stick to it's tail so... It's still very rare to encounter drifting in my country.

 

[Azuremen]

Drifting will not be faster on a TARMAC road course, except maybe to rotate the car through the first part of the corner. If your tires are slipping at all beyond the Apex, you are losing time. Its simple physics regarding static friction vs kinetic friction.

Static friction is always higher, and thats what you have when the tires grip. Kinetic is always lower than static, and is what happens when the tires slip. In this game, the difference is even larger because PD farked tire modeling once they begin to slip, thus being even SLOWER.

Throttle steering can be quite quick, but its hard to be highly consistent with it. It is my preferred method of driving MR cars though, both in the game and real life. Slow in and fast out is the best philosophy for speed. The fastest guys on tracks generally look like they are driving the least aggressive, its quite funny.

And if you think drifting is faster because of rallying, they are general on dirt. Static friction never occurs on dirt because the dirt is always slipping under the tires. Tarmac sections have some sliding in there, but its generally from going into corners too quick because they are not very familiar with the course. Thus they go in a bit quicker, slide a little, because they are not certain when the apex is and it gives them a bit more play for where they can full out accelerate.

That, and the XRS vs FD... there should be no race there, the FD is faster in every sense, and by quite a bit. Now if the driver sucked in the FD, then it would be an even match, maybe.

 

[nk4e]

Isn't the XRS a FF? or AWD?

 

[Azuremen]

FF, powered by the 2ZZ-GE with the 6 speed from the Celica GT-S, making about 165 HP, stock. XRS weighs around 2800 lbs or so. The FD's 0-60 mph is about half the time of the Corolla XRS', and the 6 speed in the XRS is a bit too tall for the powerband in the first 3 gears (the only your would be using on a touge generally), leading to some awkward moments when cornering.

 

[AOS-]

I love Speed Drifting, especially becasuee I call myself an AWD Specialist. Of course if I was an AWD Specialist, Then People Like TeamDiablo3 would be THE "Drift King....of AWDs".

 

[nk4e]

I love Speed Drifting, especially becasuee I call myself an AWD Specialist. Of course if I was an AWD Specialist, Then People Like TeamDiablo3 would be THE "Drift King....of AWDs".

Well, your wrong there. FI is the king of AWD drifting and so is Tri