Drifting with a wheel

[Bryan C.]

ok, I've been trying for 8 freaking hours a day for three days since I got my wheel trying to drift, and I was more than fairly good with my analog, but I cant do nothin but fekking spin with the wheel. As soon as I go to opposite lock the car spins into the turn and outta contrl, wtheck am I doing wrong? can some1 give me some advice plz?

 

[azndrifter318]

i don't know but i like that statement in your sig "Driving is an art, not a skill. Let your driving reflect your heart." I feel the same way with drifting and skating. Sorry couldn't help bout the wheel

 

[Odpadnik]

If you spin-out, that means you are putting too much power on the rear wheels. Make your right foot lighter.
I don't recomend teh simultion tires, becouse they are crap. With 200HP trueno I keep spining out. The just don't have anought grip.
I have fitted sim. tires on my 833HP R33 the car become un-driveble

 

[Bryan C.]

yah, thats what I thought too, but even if I just go into the corner with no accel and just try and opposite lock and hold it, it spins into the corner, with no accell, its aweful :-/ Maybe I'm just not opposite locking fast enough or something... or maye too much opposite lock and not enough spin? or?

azndrifter318: Yah defintely, driving is a passion for me, I go out and every corner is a battle, and when I come out on the other side I want to remember it as having been perfect, and I kick myself so hard when I dont, and it just inspires me to try harder the next time around. For me, its like there's something inside me that I'm always trying to express, and it gets all pent up inside of me, and the only way to finally get it out is to drive, and drive and drive and drive o_0. My mom hated when I got my car, I go out driving all night sometimes till the sun starts coming up.

 

[Shadow Drifter]

Hey Bryan try this,

In drifting, well, real life drifting, there is a technique that I learned from my instructor called tracing (I still have yet to find this technique on line however but it works).

What you do is you enter into your drift by the means you find most comfortable (I'm usually power oversteer myself.)
When your rear wheels begin to break traction you "trace" the movement of the backend of your car with the steering wheel. So as your back end moves more and more to the right, you begin to turn the wheel more and more towards the right.

Using this method you will find that as you become more and more effecient you will reach full opposite lock a lot less and continue to have smooth, controllable drifts.

Example: The first turn after the straight away at Midfield I. I usually approach this turn at the reccomended gear then floor it. Then as the backend begins to slide loose, I counteract with proportionate steering response. If I sense that the car is beginning to go beyond the angle that I want it, I apply more countersteer, if it's beginning to correct before I'm finished with the drift then I steer towards the turn.

This was one of the first techniques that my instructor over here taught me and it's one of the most basic, but also one of the most useful.

If you have anymore questions feel free to ask, you know my email

Semper Fidelis
Shadow Drifter


P.S. I prefer the wheel simply because I can't always get out in town and go drifting, and this provides the next best experience.
Have fun Bryan.

 

[F.Zamataki]

also, as someone posted in a previous thread, try hitting the brakes at the same time as your counter steer.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by Shadow Drifter
Hey Bryan try this,

In drifting, well, real life drifting, there is a technique that I learned from my instructor called tracing (I still have yet to find this technique on line however but it works).

What you do is you enter into your drift by the means you find most comfortable (I'm usually power oversteer myself.)
When your rear wheels begin to break traction you "trace" the movement of the backend of your car with the steering wheel. So as your back end moves more and more to the right, you begin to turn the wheel more and more towards the right.

Using this method you will find that as you become more and more effecient you will reach full opposite lock a lot less and continue to have smooth, controllable drifts.

Example: The first turn after the straight away at Midfield I. I usually approach this turn at the reccomended gear then floor it. Then as the backend begins to slide loose, I counteract with proportionate steering response. If I sense that the car is beginning to go beyond the angle that I want it, I apply more countersteer, if it's beginning to correct before I'm finished with the drift then I steer towards the turn.

This was one of the first techniques that my instructor over here taught me and it's one of the most basic, but also one of the most useful.

If you have anymore questions feel free to ask, you know my email

Semper Fidelis
Shadow Drifter


P.S. I prefer the wheel simply because I can't always get out in town and go drifting, and this provides the next best experience.
Have fun Bryan.

Exactly!!! Good advice. That is the most basic, yet important lesson in drifting. If you learn this technique than you will be more honed to the weight shift, and general physical activity of the car in motion. This also is fantastic training for grip racing, as it teaches you better control of the car at , and over the limit of adhesion.

 

[xsyorra]

Originally posted by silviadrifter
Exactly!!! Good advice. That is the most basic, yet important lesson in drifting. If you learn this technique than you will be more honed to the weight shift, and general physical activity of the car in motion. This also is fantastic training for grip racing, as it teaches you better control of the car at , and over the limit of adhesion.

Damn straight!!!! Once you learn how far to push that envelope, your overall skill will improve exponentially!!!!
I've not had the opportunity to use the wheel yet for this game, but the "Tracing" bit given is something they teach in defensive driving courses. I learned to drive in the rainy state of Oregon, and the pavement gets unbelievably slick!!!!!! I don't know how many times turning with the spin has saved my life!
GREAT ADVICE PEOPLE!!!!!!!

 

[Bryan C.]

yah, awesome advice, I already do all that tho, seriously shadow I drive pretty much the same way, lol, but it seems like the more I conter steer the more it turns into the corner, its wierd... maybe a more agressive approach.... Cuz thats exactly how I drifted with my analog controller...

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by Bryan C.
yah, awesome advice, I already do all that tho, seriously shadow I drive pretty much the same way, lol, but it seems like the more I conter steer the more it turns into the corner, its wierd... maybe a more agressive approach.... Cuz thats exactly how I drifted with my analog controller...

What steering assist are you using? Stay away from the simulation setting, as it won't allow full lock. The best steering assist for the wheel is either amature, or profesional.

 

[battle_stage]

Don't automatically go into a full countersteer. You just need to keep you front wheels aligned with the road.

 

[Odpadnik]

Originally posted by Shadow Drifter
Hey Bryan try this,

In drifting, well, real life drifting, there is a technique that I learned from my instructor called tracing (I still have yet to find this technique on line however but it works).

What you do is you enter into your drift by the means you find most comfortable (I'm usually power oversteer myself.)
When your rear wheels begin to break traction you "trace" the movement of the backend of your car with the steering wheel. So as your back end moves more and more to the right, you begin to turn the wheel more and more towards the right.

Using this method you will find that as you become more and more effecient you will reach full opposite lock a lot less and continue to have smooth, controllable drifts.

Example: The first turn after the straight away at Midfield I. I usually approach this turn at the reccomended gear then floor it. Then as the backend begins to slide loose, I counteract with proportionate steering response. If I sense that the car is beginning to go beyond the angle that I want it, I apply more countersteer, if it's beginning to correct before I'm finished with the drift then I steer towards the turn.

This was one of the first techniques that my instructor over here taught me and it's one of the most basic, but also one of the most useful.

If you have anymore questions feel free to ask, you know my email

Semper Fidelis
Shadow Drifter


P.S. I prefer the wheel simply because I can't always get out in town and go drifting, and this provides the next best experience.
Have fun Bryan.

What about throttle in this exercise?

 

[kirkis9]

oooo my fav technique.
i use gas on the R2 button and trigger it like a bottle of windex when i cant go full throttle

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by battle_stage
Don't automatically go into a full countersteer. You just need to keep you front wheels aligned with the road.

That's what the tracing excercise is.

 

[battle_stage]

I know but he made like 4 ****ing paragraphs about it. I said it in one simple sentence.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by battle_stage
I know but he made like 4 ****ing paragraphs about it. I said it in one simple sentence.

True, but I'm always glad to see an in depth write up. So the question is answered without much left to question.

 

[Odpadnik]

Ok, last few days I was drifting very well. But today everything crashed... I took a Trueno, with SIM tyres, LSD 2way, Racing FlyWheel and tripple clutch. I couldn't drift even one corner. I keep spining out. So, I tried RX-7 III - the same thing. Ok, let's try S-13 - the same. The only car I can drift with is RX-7 RZ period.
What do I do? I come on to a corner and then slightly cut gas and swing the car (Feint). When the car starts sliding e.k. goes in oversteer, I slowly pres the gas pedal and start turning oposite lock. From here on are 2 stories: 1.) I spin out on the gravel 2.) I hit the inside wall. I tried a 1,5 way limited slip diferential and I got better, but that's not the point. What the F am I doing wrong. I'm adding gas very gently and I don't fully counter-steer at the start of the turn/corner. It seems like, the gas I'm adding is not transfered to the car's rear wheels. I was driving now for 3 hours with no success . Yestrday I was doing it preety well ...

 

[Bryan C.]

I cant help you, drifting was intuitive on the controller for me, I'm still getting used to it on the wheel. Try leaving the wheel straight, cuz it seems to me the more you opposite lock the more the car wants to spin into the corner. hitting the wall just means you are entering the corner to fast, or not using enough gas to push the car toward the center of the turn, remember your basically sliding striaght sideways and using the gas to push the car toward the center of the corner to make it arond.

 

[Odpadnik]

If I keep my wheel straight the drift almost isn't drift, becouse the car is not sliding enough.
That info about too fast entering the corner has been very helpfull.
I still don't get why are the older cars (S-13, Trueno and so) harder to drift

 

[battle_stage]

It's just in your head. You just gotta practice with the cars. You're gonna spin out alot until you get used to it. The FD just grips really well and is just really stable and drifts well. Just keep trying, you'll get it.

 

[Bryan C.]

haha, damnit, I could kick myself. I never put the stupid steering assist on sim, so I just figured it wasnt, and I just went and checked, and it was on sim, I could kick myself in the uts for that one. Now I drift alot better, lol.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by Bryan C.
haha, damnit, I could kick myself. I never put the stupid steering assist on sim, so I just figured it wasnt, and I just went and checked, and it was on sim, I could kick myself in the uts for that one. Now I drift alot better, lol.

I told you.
Actually I got the idea from Pergatory.

 

[Bryan C.]

lol, yah, I already knew that, I have no idea how the heck it got on sim, thats beyond screwed up o_0

 

[Odpadnik]

OK, just one last thing. Why you all use LSD 2-way or 1,5-way if drifting without LSD is much easier. I can do much nicer drifts without LSD?

 

[Bryan C.]

almost my entire drift setup consists of how the LSD is setup o_0. u must have alot of camber and what not if u got no lsd.... o_0

 

[Odpadnik]

As soon as I get some web space (50 mb) I'll upload some of my drift made without LSD and completly stock settings. Try it, I think LSD makes everything harder. But everyone are using it, so I just don't get it ...

 

[battle_stage]

Alot of my cars are stock too except sims.

 

[Bryan C.]

actually, it makes things easier if u read what the settings do and adjust them. The thing about LSD is that it can either make or break a car entirely by only 5 point settings an any setting. So you just gotta spend time and get the car setup the way you like it.

 

[Shadow Drifter]

Originally posted by Bryan C.
actually, it makes things easier if u read what the settings do and adjust them. The thing about LSD is that it can either make or break a car entirely by only 5 point settings an any setting. So you just gotta spend time and get the car setup the way you like it.

Yeah, I usually set my LSD to 40 40 5, in that order. It's really useful on cars that can't have the LSD removed. Like the C5R.

 

[Bryan C.]

heh, I kinda scared myself last night. I was just aimlessly drifting about (I do it constantly, lap counts of 60-70 arent unusual for me), when I just kinda got seriously bored. So I decided to see how my skill had improved, so I stopped and re-started so I could watch the replay as I drifted around Deep Forest. So I start out just casually drifting around the track and I watch the replay and I looked fekking pro! lol. I wish I had a way to record for you guys, I was pullin off perfect inertia drifts, braking drifts, linking corners like nobody's business, it was so awesome ^-^. I think I am gonna order a capture card today.


As for my LSD, it gets custom settings on every car, because every car is different. Like on my RS, its 50/40/35, but on my Infini its like your, 50/50/5, but on my 180sx its somthieng like 10/35/15 so it just depends on your style and what care it is

Does anyone know what a good capture card for cheap is?