Drive faster with clutch+shifter than paddles - How is this possible?

[Leprekaun]

Hi all! Something that has been confusing me for the last week is that I find my laptimes are faster when I use the clutch+shifter in comparison to when I don't. I'm not trying to show off because I know my blipping still needs work but it doesn't make sense for me. I was thinking maybe its to do with shifting gear since I suspect its faster to shift up through the gears with the shifter (I think GT picks up on this) than with the paddles so is this the reason or is there more grip with the shifter or what? It definitely can't be that I'm driving better because I've driven properly with the paddles and concentrated really hard but I still can't match my speed with the shifter+clutch.

 

[Jay]

This has been explained about a thousand times, but I will do it again

With GT in cars which are not dual clutch (eg GTR, California etc), automatic (eg SL55, 370GT etc) or 'F1' sequential shift (eg F430) the game will treat them like a manual transmission with a clutch but rather than you controlling the clutch, GT will control the clutch and rev matching when you select the gears. However GT only shifts with perfect rev matching, which means during the upshift it waits until the engine revs drop to the perfect point to match the next gear (hense the delay), while when we shift with the clutch, we quickly lift the throttle (so it doesn't miss shift us) and because we do/want it so fast when you release (dump) the clutch the engine revs are dragged down to match the wheel speed rather than 'waiting' for them before releasing the clutch.

The point is using the paddles (on your wheel) doesn't automatically mean the car behaves like a paddle shifting sequential car, all your doing is selecting the gear you want and GT goes through the process of shifting for you, in a way which is perfect on the drivetrain but not the outright fastest way.
On cars like the GTR, California and Evo X that have Dual clutch transmissions in GT5P you can't shift manually faster than them as the Dual clutch is simulated properly. 370GT, SL55 have simulated automatic based trans and you will notice how the shifts drag through like a auto. Couple of the small cars (Cervo, Daihatsu concept) have CVT trans with fixed ratios and they're behave much the same way. All these cars you can't enable the clutch anyway as their proper transmissions are simulated.

 

[yossigab]

^ Good answer...

My question regarding this - If I'm releasing the gas paddle just when I click the shift-up button and pressing the gas again as soon as the gear actually changed - does this make the gear change faster (i.e. GT will match the rev quicker?

Or say it differently - is there any method that I do in order to make the rev matching faster and thus shift will be done faster by GT?

 

[Jay]

^ Good answer...

My question regarding this - If I'm releasing the gas paddle just when I click the shift-up button and pressing the gas again as soon as the gear actually changed - does this make the gear change faster (i.e. GT will match the rev quicker?

Or say it differently - is there any method that I do in order to make the rev matching faster and thus shift will be done faster by GT?

Without control of the clutch, No.
The speed of the shift (when GT controls rev matching) will depend on how fast the engine revs will drop and raise and how close the gearing is When you have clicked the shift up/down button GT takes full control of the throttle so if you release throttle it won't make any difference. You can see what it is doing with the throttle bar, red is commanded throttle (your throttle input) and the blue is the actually throttle GT applies.

In full GT5 you will/should be able to make it shift quicker by fitting lightened flywheel and/or adjust gear ratios. This is the same in older GT's also.

 

[Balocco]

I do a lot better when using the clutch/six speed since that's how I shift when I'm actually driving, so it feels more natural. Using the paddles/sequential stick just makes me really, really confused. Watching me try to take the Amuse S2000, with its gonzo power and seven speeds, around Suzuka will make you laugh. For a bit. And then it will make you very, very sad.

 

[Cimanu]

GT5P doesn't let you shift on power, so it just jumps into neutral on full bore launches, if you try and short shift into 2nd whilst spinning wheels, it just denies it. I can't stand that.

 

[VBR]

I find when using the clutch that dump shifting (from 5th to 2nd ect) gives slightly better engine braking than shifting down the gears with the paddles, works very well on 2nd gear turns after a long straight like on Eiger & Fuji & I find I can brake a little later than with paddle shift, I think this gives G25 clutch users a small lap time advantage too.

I am actually a few tenths a lap slower with the clutch & I find I miss an awful lot of gears, especially going from 4th to 5th, don't know if it's me not being up to scratch or if there's something wrong with my G25, I can barely manage 1 good lap, I mostly use paddle shift for racing. I drove a Cateram 7 Superlight R500 for 16 laps at a track day last year & had no such problems at all, that's why it makes me wonder.

 

[paddycars1]

I find when using the clutch that dump shifting (from 5th to 2nd ect) gives slightly better engine braking than shifting down the gears with the paddles, works very well on 2nd gear turns after a long straight like on Eager & Fuji & I find I can brake a little later than with paddle shift, I think this gives G25 clutch users a small lap time advantage too.

I am actually a few tenths a lap slower with the clutch & I find I miss an awful lot of gears, especially going from 4th to 5th, don't know if it's me not being up to scratch or if there's something wrong with my G25, I can barely manage 1 good lap, I mostly use paddle shift for racing. I drove a Cateram 7 Superlight R500 for 16 laps at a track day last year & had no such problems at all, that's why it makes me wonder.

it could be because you are taking your hand off the steering at the crucial momment of oversteer.but never had the g25.you should try different steering settings.