Driver rating help

[Lloyd]

Im strugling with this driver rating as mine is still E and my sports man rating is A how can i get my driver rating up from E im a clean racer (i think) more than often its others ramming me i win alot of online races also the qualifiers aswell so what is happening with that and why is my sportsmen ratine A any help much apprecited

 

[Cfft555]

Driver rating is an indication of your skill & speed in relation to other drivers, this cannot be artificially inflated as it relies on your results, lap times, strength of the lobbies. If you are winning a lot of races then there is no way you should be a E rated driver.

Personally I am Low A to High B and currently have 25 wins in 82 races and am very rarely finishing outside the top 3-4 cars in any race. Rising from the low ratings should be easy, but to keep moving up past C or B takes a lot of consistent good results.

Sportsmanship Rating is due to clean racing, this can be artificially inflated by racing as clean as possible, forgoing full race pace. I don't like this metric as a lot of people who are rated S or A can race clean, but cannot do it at full race pace.

 

[gmaki]

If you have been in a lot of races and your SR rating is not S then I would say you are probably involved in too many incidents and getting taken out of races, even if you win some. That is the only way to make sense of your post.

My advice would be to concentrate on clean racing to get to an SRS, and then work on your speed while preserving your SR rating.

It takes time, patience and dedication.

 

[Cfft555]

If you have been in a lot of races and your SR rating is not S then I would say you are probably involved in too many incidents and getting taken out of races, even if you win some. That is the only way to make sense of your post.

My advice would be to concentrate on clean racing to get to an SRS, and then work on your speed while preserving your SR rating.

It takes time, patience and dedication.

Personally, this is something I don't like.

The system is in place to rate you based on what your true sportsmanship rating is at full race pace, if you cant run clean at full pace then you shouldn't be S rated. People complain that other people hit me so my rating keeps dropping, I need to be S rated to avoid the rammers. The system is setup so that the person at fault gets the penalty, rammers will drop SR and clean drivers will rise in the longer term. Yes in some cases the penalty and SR drop will be attributed to the wrong person, but this is not as consistently incorrect as many people make out.

 

[afrojcactair]

I thought I had DR figured out a week back, but <NOT>. Today DR was hard to come by. I used to think finishing in the front third and driving clean was all there was to it. Today in one race I started 3rd finished 3rd, got clean bonus, and no DR it seemed. In other races I gained and lost DR but only got a small net positive for 12 races.

I've wandered if each DR letter bar D, C, B .... got harder to fill as you go, like how other achievments do. From @Cfft555 above, I guess now that I'm finally a B after 150 races it has more to do with getting better than the other B's. If so, I wont be and A for some time.

If anyone can provide a clear explanation of how DR works, I love to know. Especially with me having been wrong before, and guessing now.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I thought I had DR figured out a week back, but <NOT>. Today DR was hard to come by. I used to think finishing in the front third and driving clean was all there was to it. Today in one race I started 3rd finished 3rd, got clean bonus, and no DR it seemed. In other races I gained and lost DR but only got a small net positive for 12 races.

I've wandered if each DR letter bar D, C, B .... got harder to fill as you go, like how other achievments do. From @Cfft555 above, I guess now that I'm finally a B after 150 races it has more to do with getting better than the other B's. If so, I wont be and A for some time.

If anyone can provide a clear explanation of how DR works, I love to know. Especially with me having been wrong before, and guessing now.

The purpose of DR is not in itself to advance to the next level but rather rate your average overall driving skills within a rating of other similar pace and skill racers for good competitive racing in the matchmaking process. Some drivers will never reach A level, many will probably never be at the S level but what you want is to be in the same class of others speed and skill wise to get matched with drivers for good racing.

Beating higher ranked drivers move DR up quicker and getting beat by lower ranked drivers decrease it quicker as well. Once you get about where your skill should be at you will not see large movements in Dr very often until you start getting faster and more consistent in your results against faster drivers.

 

[afrojcactair]

Thank you @VFOURMAX1 . I know I'm not the fastest nor most consistent, so being in the B range should be good for me. In some races, people still tend to bunch up at the chicanes, not very orderly, with everyone trying to keep speed up. This is where I usually get rear ended by someone as I cant do anything about the person in front of me. I hope in the future there is a point for me where everyone is a little more on par. It will likely still be in the B range, so I'll worry more about improving my driving.

I do have an non related question. People I know to be faster, put in slow qualify times for some reason. If I can consistenly do 2:05 laps I hope to qualify close to that. Not a once in a life time 2:03, or I maybe start in front of someone faster. I've had slower overall people start in front of me, and I have to follow them, unless they blow a turn. So whats with people qualifying with a 2:20 when they can run a 2:00 ? Is it just fun to go from 10th to 2nd ?

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Personally, this is something I don't like.

The system is in place to rate you based on what your true sportsmanship rating is at full race pace, if you cant run clean at full pace then you shouldn't be S rated. People complain that other people hit me so my rating keeps dropping, I need to be S rated to avoid the rammers. The system is setup so that the person at fault gets the penalty, rammers will drop SR and clean drivers will rise in the longer term. Yes in some cases the penalty and SR drop will be attributed to the wrong person, but this is not as consistently incorrect as many people make out.

Couldn't agree with you more regarding "gaming the system" to achieve an SR S rating.

This so called "advice" of running around the back of the pack is twisted logic.
If everyone takes this advice everyone is suddenly S rated, regardless of whether it's deserved or not.
It's no wonder we see constant cries of "and this happened in an SR S race".
You reap what you sow.
Saying that, SR S should be more difficult to achieve, so PD need to revisit that.


As for the OP, my best advice is to practice in qualifying until they think they can do no better, then hit the race.
I understand grouping is a luck of the draw thing, but entering with the best qualy time you can gives you the best opportunity for a high grid position.
Also, there's the obvious advantage of spending time learning the car/track combo., brake points, corner entry speeds, when to plant your foot on exit, etc. etc.

I've no idea behind the machinations of the DR system.
But l would say it's all about doing better than the game thinks you should do.
Too many situations to describe.
But let's say you are DR A in a field of B and C drivers.
The game expects you to win, so youll earn little DR points even if you do.
In a field of a few S drivers, a handful of A, and the rest B, earning 3rd when the game expects you to get 5th or 6th will probably earn you more.

So practice, practice, practice.
Best qualy time you can.
Hope the game gods give you a good grid position
And if you find a race that's working well for you, drive it until you can drive no more.

 

[gmaki]

Couldn't agree with you more regarding "gaming the system" to achieve an SR S rating.

This so called "advice" of running around the back of the pack is twisted logic.
If everyone takes this advice everyone is suddenly S rated, regardless of whether it's deserved or not.
It's no wonder we see constant cries of "and this happened in an SR S race".
You reap what you sow.
Saying that, SR S should be more difficult to achieve, so PD need to revisit that.


As for the OP, my best advice is to practice in qualifying until they think they can do no better, then hit the race.
I understand grouping is a luck of the draw thing, but entering with the best qualy time you can gives you the best opportunity for a high grid position.
Also, there's the obvious advantage of spending time learning the car/track combo., brake points, corner entry speeds, when to plant your foot on exit, etc. etc.

I've no idea behind the machinations of the DR system.
But l would say it's all about doing better than the game thinks you should do.
Too many situations to describe.
But let's say you are DR A in a field of B and C drivers.
The game expects you to win, so youll earn little DR points even if you do.
In a field of a few S drivers, a handful of A, and the rest B, earning 3rd when the game expects you to get 5th or 6th will probably earn you more.

So practice, practice, practice.
Best qualy time you can.
Hope the game gods give you a good grid position
And if you find a race that's working well for you, drive it until you can drive no more.

Read my post again, I did not say run at the back of the pack to get SRS, I said prioritize SRS over speed. I did that and didn't run at the back. but I did run slower since I was careful to avoid hitting people. That took discipline, patience, and willingness to give up a position from time to time to avoid contact. Giving up a position is a lot different than running back of the pack. After not too long doing that I started finishing farther toward the front simply because I did not go offtrack from incidents as much.

The sooner you get to SRS the sooner you get to run with much more courteous drivers so you can start working on your overall speed rather than constantly trying to make up for lost time due to getting punted repeatedly.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Read my post again, I did not say run at the back of the pack to get SRS, I said prioritize SRS over speed. I did that and didn't run at the back. but I did run slower since I was careful to avoid hitting people. That took discipline, patience, and willingness to give up a position from time to time to avoid contact. Giving up a position is a lot different than running back of the pack. After not too long doing that I started finishing farther toward the front simply because I did not go offtrack from incidents as much.

The sooner you get to SRS the sooner you get to run with much more courteous drivers so you can start working on your overall speed rather than constantly trying to make up for lost time due to getting punted repeatedly.

I do apologise, but I'm pretty sure l didn't quote you.

I'm also pretty sure the "running around at the back of the pack" advise has been long standing.

Sure, SR S is where you want to be.
SR S in higher level DR events even more so.
But SR S is in no way a magic bullet for clean races.
Particularly if anyone and everyone take this "advice".

And if it was just as difficult to achieve SR S as DR is, then all these "complaints" about incidents in SR S races would be few.
Sorry, but l thought l made that quite clear.

 

[Tristan Jones]

Read my post again, I did not say run at the back of the pack to get SRS, I said prioritize SRS over speed. I did that and didn't run at the back. but I did run slower since I was careful to avoid hitting people. That took discipline, patience, and willingness to give up a position from time to time to avoid contact. Giving up a position is a lot different than running back of the pack. After not too long doing that I started finishing farther toward the front simply because I did not go offtrack from incidents as much.

The sooner you get to SRS the sooner you get to run with much more courteous drivers so you can start working on your overall speed rather than constantly trying to make up for lost time due to getting punted repeatedly.

I agree, gaming the system doesn't help you or other drivers in the long run.

I was stuck in the lower SR ranks for a while, reading about people "gaming" the system by racing at the back perfectly clean and ranking up quickly. I figured I wasn't going up quickly because I wasn't doing this - even when I qualified near the back, people would crash, I would overtake them, and I would get punted by them again. I eventually started focusing on avoiding punters, and trying for the clean race bonus - and started seeing my SR go up. The longer races seemed to contribute more in rise, though I think this was just that 10 laps allows for more clean sectors than 3 laps. Perhaps it was also that lower SR rated racers don't like longer races? Clean fast long races seem to be what to aim for! What did it for me was watching my mirror for people ready to punt you. I eventually realised how quick you overtake these people if you just let them go in front, they go off track quick enough when there is noone to bounce off. But that is racing, not gaming the system!

Having said that, I thought it wasn't possible to game the DR system (I am now DR C SR S). I race in an Aussie league race (Race on Oz) sunday nights, and spend much more time practising for this race than sport mode dailies. So when I saw a daily race was in a slower group 4 car in a track i knew really well, I decided to do a couple of races. 2 races and I not only clear DR D, but 3/4 fill bar on DR C. So an insane amount of practise is all it takes...but is that gaming the system or just getting good?

 

[Tassie_tiger]

I agree, gaming the system doesn't help you or other drivers in the long run.

I was stuck in the lower SR ranks for a while, reading about people "gaming" the system by racing at the back perfectly clean and ranking up quickly. I figured I wasn't going up quickly because I wasn't doing this - even when I qualified near the back, people would crash, I would overtake them, and I would get punted by them again. I eventually started focusing on avoiding punters, and trying for the clean race bonus - and started seeing my SR go up. The longer races seemed to contribute more in rise, though I think this was just that 10 laps allows for more clean sectors than 3 laps. Perhaps it was also that lower SR rated racers don't like longer races? Clean fast long races seem to be what to aim for! What did it for me was watching my mirror for people ready to punt you. I eventually realised how quick you overtake these people if you just let them go in front, they go off track quick enough when there is noone to bounce off. But that is racing, not gaming the system!

Having said that, I thought it wasn't possible to game the DR system (I am now DR C SR S). I race in an Aussie league race (Race on Oz) sunday nights, and spend much more time practising for this race than sport mode dailies. So when I saw a daily race was in a slower group 4 car in a track i knew really well, I decided to do a couple of races. 2 races and I not only clear DR D, but 3/4 fill bar on DR C. So an insane amount of practise is all it takes...but is that gaming the system or just getting good?

It's nothing more than practice.
Time spent = advantage well earned.
There is no way anyone can convince me that someone willing to put in the time is "gaming the system".

Sure, everyone has their own limits of ability.
Nothing unusual there.
But you certainly won't reach that potential by casually having a go every now and then.

No different than any other game.

 

[Lloyd]

How do you find out your win loss ratio?

 

[afrojcactair]

How do you find out your win loss ratio?

Best I can tell you for SPORT races, is click GT icon top right corner, pick My Menu, and on your profile - - R1 to Achievments. Look at Races Finished vers Wins. This may not tell you a lot if you've lost races from getting hit. My Clean Races is one, but I'm a SR=S, as I do a clean race, then get tagged in the next one. It must not take much to lose the Clean Bonus, as in some races I only remember getting rubbed, sometimes Bonus, other times not. I've run almost 150 races with only 5 wins, but got a lot of 2nd 3rd places. Have friends that are like 10 poles 12 races 11 wins. They don't do SPORT very often, and beat me badly in open lobbies. Just enjoy the race, and learn from friends.

P.S. Each of your cars has # races won with it. Don't know if that helps any.

 

[NJ72]

The problem here is that everyone thinks that they should be SR:S, even if they aren't the cleanest. I'm not going to lie, I've had a couple of bumps here and there where I've made bad choices and got the SR drop to prove it. I'm SR:A.

If I'm driving a full whack, I make some mistakes here and there. I don't mean full on missile-ing someone, but getting a corner wrong and ending up in a tyre wall by myself kinda wrong - which damages my SR.

If I spend a few races tootling along at the back making sure I get to SR:S, then when I actually start to drive quickly then I may make a mistake and take someone out - which will make everyone on here go crazy and point out how flawed the SR system is.

It is partially flawed because of the way people game the system to become an SR:S rated driver. I agree that it gives SR deductions to people who do not deserve them, so that isn't perfect, but there are 100% some drivers who are SR:S who should not be.

 

[LordDrift]

Um , are you winning races in sport mode or in the online lobbies?

 

[Cfft555]

The problem here is that everyone thinks that they should be SR:S, even if they aren't the cleanest. I'm not going to lie, I've had a couple of bumps here and there where I've made bad choices and got the SR drop to prove it. I'm SR:A.

If I'm driving a full whack, I make some mistakes here and there. I don't mean full on missile-ing someone, but getting a corner wrong and ending up in a tyre wall by myself kinda wrong - which damages my SR.

If I spend a few races tootling along at the back making sure I get to SR:S, then when I actually start to drive quickly then I may make a mistake and take someone out - which will make everyone on here go crazy and point out how flawed the SR system is.

It is partially flawed because of the way people game the system to become an SR:S rated driver. I agree that it gives SR deductions to people who do not deserve them, so that isn't perfect, but there are 100% some drivers who are SR:S who should not be.

Exactly right, if you race at full pace the system should balance you out to the level that you should be at based on results and clean racing. The way to improve this is by playing and trying to be clean while racing in packs and at full race pace, you won't improve by going slower than everyone else..

Yes the system isn't perfect and sometimes you will get a SR drop that you don't believe you deserved, but this should balance out overall as you improve.

 

[Kinna39]

The only purpose of DR is to put you in races with people of a similar skill level. If you're having good races in E, then that's where you belong. If you're winning easily, then you should probably be higher.

You'll get more DR points for performing better in your races than drivers with higher DR. If you're only beating people lower than you, you haven't proven anything.