Driving tips for "hard corners"

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It seems that turn 1 at Daytona Road is giving many a hard time. Other than finding the right braking point the key is to slow the car in a straight line. Entry here is critical. Set up wide against the wall, line up so as to touch the first apex, and let the car run all the way wide. This is all done with minimial streering input. Once slowed using some trail braking, turn in and meet the apex for turn 1.
This is a very difficult turn due to the speed and its decreasing radius , but braking in a straight line will make it much easier.
 
All of what you said will be an art of its own on a controller. That turn is very hard to do even in the f2007 people went off.
 
braking in a straight line will make it much easier.

I have to disagree, I've always found it best to trail brake through the turn while gradually releasing the brakes.

Braking straight just means you have to stop earlier.
 
The wider you take the corner the easier it is.... but dont take it to wide or the barrier may stop you pretty quick :lol:

Taking it wider means the steering angle under braking is less, which gives you more control of the car. This also allows you to hit the apex better and you get a cleaner run out the corner. I have a video here of my line into it, in a 600PP F430.
 
I've never braked in a straight line for this corner, no matter what car i have used, the 350Z, GTlm, 430, 111R Tuned, Viper etc, all have been done while turning but all have been done by braking hard and easing off the brakes until my speed is down enough so i can gas it:)
 
Tip 1: Come into the turn from the left, that way you have more track to slide up if you under brake it.

Tip 2: DO NOT USE 100% brake, it won't slow you down as fast as using 85-90% brake

Tip 3: Brake Early, then release the brake a little, then brake hard, then release a little..Gives you a better shot around T1 (better drive off if you hit your line right)

Tip 4: IF you are in the draft with someone, your braking points have changed! :) Ajust!
 
QUOTE=GTP_Wanna_B;3251530]I've never braked in a straight line for this corner, no matter what car i have used, the 350Z, GTlm, 430, 111R Tuned, Viper etc, all have been done while turning but all have been done by braking hard and easing off the brakes until my speed is down enough so i can gas it:)[/QUOTE]

Watch what the pros do. i.e. Rolex Sports Cars Series. Very Very little turing input going into turn 1
 
Tip 1: Come into the turn from the left, that way you have more track to slide up if you under brake it.

Tip 2: DO NOT USE 100% brake, it won't slow you down as fast as using 85-90% brake

Tip 3: Brake Early, then release the brake a little, then brake hard, then release a little..Gives you a better shot around T1 (better drive off if you hit your line right)

Tip 4: IF you are in the draft with someone, your braking points have changed! :) Ajust!

Did I missunderstand that?? You didnt say that 85% brake presure stops you faster then 100% ?
 
Did I missunderstand that?? You didnt say that 85% brake presure stops you faster then 100% ?

I will allow the experts to verify that. lol

It is true.

EDIT:

What you might not realize is this. You might or might not have ABS set to 1 or whatever, well if you apply 100% brake its like using abs to keep your tires from locking up..If you used less brake you are allowing the tire to roll and not lock up..If you let the tire roll it slows you down a lot faster than if you were to lock and roll - lock and roll - lock and roll, ect...as ABS does.

Does that help?
 
I have to disagree, I've always found it best to trail brake through the turn while gradually releasing the brakes.

Braking straight just means you have to stop earlier.

+1 👍
 
I've never braked in a straight line for this corner, no matter what car i have used, the 350Z, GTlm, 430, 111R Tuned, Viper etc, all have been done while turning but all have been done by braking hard and easing off the brakes until my speed is down enough so i can gas it:)

gmoney "Watch what the pros do. i.e. Rolex Sports Cars Series. Very Very little turing input going into turn 1"

Correct...in reality the pros take the entry into T1 at Daytona as straight as possible with minimal steering input. Less steering angle will give the car MORE braking power according to the tires traction circle. A tire only has so much grip that can either be used laterally or longitudinally...it's a give and take between the two.
 
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I will allow the experts to verify that. lol

It is true.

EDIT:

What you might not realize is this. You might or might not have ABS set to 1 or whatever, well if you apply 100% brake its like using abs to keep your tires from locking up..If you used less brake you are allowing the tire to roll and not lock up..If you let the tire roll it slows you down a lot faster than if you were to lock and roll - lock and roll - lock and roll, ect...as ABS does.

Does that help?

lol. have you tested it in gt? When I trail brake I get less brake traction and more steering traction. I gonna test this on rx7 now, kno the exact braking point on fuji so I will notice if it work quick:tup:
 
lol. have you tested it in gt? When I trail brake I get less brake traction and more steering traction. I gonna test this on rx7 now, kno the exact braking point on fuji so I will notice if it work quick:tup:

It works.. :) Also, try to flutter the peddle a bit, go from 85-95% might have better results
 
I did a few laps. Around 85-95% brake presure at T1 fuji, same braking point as normal, quite consistent result, could have done more laps(did only 4) but I missed my apex by 10-15 meters all the time.. and yes I tried too modulate brake presure from 85-95% .. Have you really done some testing on this?
 
I posted this:

First corner at Daytona is definetly a gradual braking corner because it requires trail braking, trail braking corners are normally ones which start with a fairly low curvature and tighten to a sharper corner later on in the same bend. Daytona road 1st corner (or it can be considered turns 1 and 2 depending on how you look at it) is a perfect example, the reason you brake gradually and not hard is because it steadily tightens, the essentially you will only be able to go so fast through the last part of the corner, lets take 40mph as an example of the max speed you can carry through the final part of the corner (the tightest and slowest part of the first corner) if you took the whole first corner at 40mph (its a very long corner) you would loads and loads of time because the first part of the corner is very wide and is also has little curvature, therefore you can go through the first part of the corner at much more than 40mph and gradually slow the car down as the corner gradually tightens, there is more to why the braking is gradual as well.

Even with abs the maximum you can't turn as effectively while braking, there becomes a trade off, the harder you brake the less you can turn but the quicker you can slow down. It works the other way of course, the softer the you brake the more you can turn but without slowing down as much. Thinking of it like this you want to slow yourself down as much in a straight line because you wont be able to turn much if your braking hard in a corner and the result will be massive understeer off the road, but think of Daytona road 1st corner (trail braking corner) you don't want to slow yourself down on the straight becasue the first part of the 1st corner is fast and long so braking down on the straight will loose you lots of time around the corner, but you can't exactly fly through the second part of the first corner at 150mph either, so what to do. Well slow yourself down in the corner of course, but as said earlier if you try and leave your braking to the last second during the corner you will just get massive understeer and go straight instead of turning, what you need to do is brake gradually so that you still get enough turn but are also slowing your car down suffeciently to be able to take the last part of the corner effectively. The more you practice it the better you will become at judging exactly how much brake/turn is required at each part of the corner, but you will have to make minor adjustments to compensate for the narrowing track and tightening curvature, a good driver willl make the transition between braking and truning look fluid rather than hard and agressive, that said other corners need aggresive turning and braking so its all about learning which approach to take for each corner/string of corners, but I would personally say that most corners are suited to the smooth fluid approach than the aggresive approach.

Hope this is helpful :)

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I did a few laps. Around 85-95% brake presure at T1 fuji, same braking point as normal, quite consistent result, could have done more laps(did only 4) but I missed my apex by 10-15 meters all the time.. and yes I tried too modulate brake presure from 85-95% .. Have you really done some testing on this?

I use it all the time..

And I am competitive with it. Even in time trial I use it.

Its how I get the car to slow down, i.e. my driving style. Maybe you are doing something different with your line in, but if it doesn't help you, then don't use it. :) Use what you know works. I just know that it works for me.
 
The wider you take the corner the easier it is.... but dont take it to wide or the barrier may stop you pretty quick :lol:

Taking it wider means the steering angle under braking is less, which gives you more control of the car. This also allows you to hit the apex better and you get a cleaner run out the corner. I have a video here of my line into it, in a 600PP F430.


on the video it looks like you have tcs on how high is it set
it looks like you cant acelerate out of the courner because of the tcs
 
on the video it looks like you have tcs on how high is it set
it looks like you cant acelerate out of the courner because of the tcs

Nope. I never drive with TCS on in any car no matter what...

If you turn your volume up you can here the wheels spinning. Look at the revs go up and my input bar. No red mark on the throttle bar to show TCS cutting in!
 
I use it all the time..

And I am competitive with it. Even in time trial I use it.

Its how I get the car to slow down, i.e. my driving style. Maybe you are doing something different with your line in, but if it doesn't help you, then don't use it. :) Use what you know works. I just know that it works for me.

I do this also

You can prove this by taking off all driving aids, then get as fast as you can down the straight at daytona.

the First time, just slam the brakes 100% as hard as you can and see how quickly you stop and how much control you have.

The second time gradually get on the brakes and see how that changes things.
 
^Threshold braking.. It does work, but only when the brakes are strong enough to lock up the wheels. With a lot of cars/tire combos, 100% braking still does not lock the wheels and in these cases applying the brakes 100% will stop the car the fastest.
 
I will allow the experts to verify that. lol

It is true.

EDIT:

What you might not realize is this. You might or might not have ABS set to 1 or whatever, well if you apply 100% brake its like using abs to keep your tires from locking up..If you used less brake you are allowing the tire to roll and not lock up..If you let the tire roll it slows you down a lot faster than if you were to lock and roll - lock and roll - lock and roll, ect...as ABS does.

Does that help?
While this is true in reality, I think GT's ABS just always keeps it at the threshold. I've never seen the tires locking and unlocking like real ABS. If this is true, 100% braking will be better than 85% because it always keeps it at the threshold, which changes as speed decreases.
 
Note; this post is refering to T1 at Daytona's road course.

No ABS is the true test of this turn.

+1 It certainly does cause much cussing on my end... It is a blast though when you do figure out how to do it right... I'll be honest, if the race is on the line I will usually lightly tap the brakes before the turn in starts to bleed of some speed, then go through the first start of the turn at idle with no brakes until I can straighten out a bit again and get on the brakes hard for the hairpin.

Yea, it is quite a bit slower than going cajones to the wall but it is MUCH safer. If I am going for a hotlap, though, I brake after the turn in.
 
Ok, this probably is very very very stupid, but... I can't seem to hit this corner right.... probably 4 out of 5 times I'm either on the grass or hitting a wall (unless ofcourse there is someone in front of me I can follow).
For some reason I can't find any visual clues as to where the corner is. :guilty:
Any advice?
 
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