DS3 vs Wheel Drifting

[Calamari100]

Hello Forum,

I'm an intermediate drifter, and for some reason, I just seem to prefer to drift using a DS3, I find it difficult to drift with a wheel, is this also the same for other people? Can DS3 drifters get the same level of drifting as wheel drivers? Are there any setup tips that should be different? 💡

Thanks for any advice, and sorry if this question has been answered already!

 

[Jesus]

Have a little search of the drifting forum as there is a lot of opinions on this in a lot of different threads. Using a DS3 is a lot more easy to drift with,yes,but using a wheel is a lot more fun and rewarding so stick to the wheel and enjoy learning. I for one am itching to get my hands on a wheel and after a lot of practice you will be better on the wheel than you could of possibly been on the DS3.

 

[SupraTT1]

well wheel does look A Lot better on replays, controller is just too twitchy, unless u have some crazy hands

 

[ZSPaulus]

Using a DS3 is a lot more easy to drift with,yes,but using a wheel is a lot more fun and rewarding so stick to the wheel and enjoy learning. I for one am itching to get my hands on a wheel and after a lot of practice you will be better on the wheel than you could of possibly been on the DS3.

Couldnt agree more.
I sure as heck know how frustrating it can be to suck on the wheel when you first need to learn it. But like i did, stick with it, its so much more fun when you finally get it. You will be much smoother then your mates on the controller (unless they're like Kaizer) too.
There are also a lot of differences in regards to tunes and setups, but i cant help you on that part as i totally suck at it myself. My suggestion; Get a wheel tune that is known to be okay for intermediates like yourself, and then just learn with that and get used to it. Unless you really really dont like it, then choose another car rather then another tune for it..
You can get some awesome tunes from the sticky's in the Drift Forums here.

 

[DogFightKingz]

The DS3 will be more easy, but the wheel will pay off in the end. The guy with the wheel will always have a slight advantage if he knows what he's doing.

 

[Calamari100]

I actually don't have a wheel yet, I've only tried them out at friend's places haha. I'm just trying to see if it would be worth spending the money on for drifting and all. But from what I've heard so far, it probably is?

Thanks for the advice so far

 

[too cold]

The wheel is the best. Takes a while to get used to but it takes the realism to a new level. Driving a game like this with a ds3 is like having a "sports car" with an automatic trans. It's just not right.

 

[Rdp616]

I mostly use the DS3 for drifting. Tho i'll try it with my Fanatec every once in a while. Right now i don't have a shifter or an e-brake. And without those 2 things it's very hard to drift with the wheel.

 

[clos2727]

drifting with a wheel is a deep learning curve, you will have to abandon most of the techniques you use with the controllers. essentially its learning how to drift all over again.. if you get frustrated easily. you will revert back to the controller in no time. it take time and patience. lots of it.. but once you get it you will never drift with a controller again.

plus you get much more respect when you drift with a wheel.
especially when you have a 900 degree wheel, clutch and gated shifter

 

[Ligerbots_Mr_E]

I mostly use the DS3 for drifting. Tho i'll try it with my Fanatec every once in a while. Right now i don't have a shifter or an e-brake. And without those 2 things it's very hard to drift with the wheel.

I have a separate setting for drifting with my Fanatec.
I race with 720 degrees but my drifting mode is:

Deadzone: 010
Lin. 030
Abs 000
Drift 005
FF 010
Sens 230

I put a really easy tune (Mustang) in the Wheel settings depot thread yesterday. I also posted a high powered setup for the Aston DB7 the week before for when your ready. Handbrake is on the right lower face button if you have the Cararra wheel. I only use it on a very low powered Supra. The other cars don't need it.

 

[ZSPaulus]

Sens at 230 means you only have 230 degrees of rotation right? Why on earth would you want to drift with less if you have a 900 degree wheel?

Im still looking for a nice setting but i currently have;
Deadzone: 000
Lin. 100
Abs 000
Drift 003
FF 80
Sens 900
Shock 000

Im not sure about the spring and damp settings but they make the most differences next to the drift setting is my experience. But i have to my experience is very limited, iv had the wheel for a week now.

And without those 2 things it's very hard to drift with the wheel.

Agreed!

 

[Ligerbots_Mr_E]

My wheel setup makes it smoother to counter-steer. The 230 degree setting is offset by the Linearity setting. Linearity softens the rotation at middle of the rotation when it's nearly straight. The endpoint comes in sooner to counter-steer quicker for when you need to "catch" a car with full lock counter-steering. The DRIFT setting is a percentage of the FFB setting, so all my numbers need to be used as a set. I would really like some honest feedback, after you actually try it.

If the above setup is too twitchy, my rally setup also drifts well and has a much mellower feel.

deadzone 10
Lin 20
Drift 4
FF 10
sense 360

 

[ZSPaulus]

Ah, maybe next time. I just ejected the GT5 disk again..

 

[DaveM-sport]

I was seriously frustrated when i got my wheel. Of course this was exasperated by the fact I could easily do backwards entries and mad stuff with the DS3 at that stage as well as the fact I was a reasonably ok drifter in real life yet couldn't string two corners together with the G25 in the game.


I think actually being able to drift in real life kinda didn't help either as I was trying too much too soon in the game.


Then I thought about how I learned to drift in real life in my first car years ago and I applied that to the game and things started to fall into place then and suddenly it clicked and I was able to link tracks.


I'm still far from perfect but its so fcuking rewarding getting a nice string of corners with the wheel. I still use the DS3 the odd time but it feels so boring and pointless now really, lol.





Also, if its any incentive...


Drifting with the wheel really helps with your drifting in real life I found as essentially its free track time

I was at a drift day last weekend which at least 6-9 months, maybe even a year since I was last properly skidding a car and found it was far easier than I remember it being and seemed to be get back into the swing of things and was drifting better than I had ever been before only after a few laps which I was alittle surprised by.

Then I thought about it... I've been drifting (or at least trying!) on GT5 with the G25 since last Christmas

 

[Rdp616]

Sens at 230 means you only have 230 degrees of rotation right? Why on earth would you want to drift with less if you have a 900 degree wheel?

I was actually gonna add that into my original post. If i have to turn the wheel sen down that far to drift why even do it? Totally takes away from the realism.

 

[mikekhel30]

All you really have to think about is how quicky you can go from lock to lock for each. What's more fun? It just comes to your personal preference. What's more on the "simulation" side? Ofcourse it has to be using a wheel.

 

[Ligerbots_Mr_E]

You guys are still missing the concept of the Linearity setting on the Fanatec wheels. I have used this setup for years on radio controlled aircraft as it is now the standard for 3D flying.R/C guys call it "expo" but it's the same thing.

on the setup that I have set for 230 degrees feels just like a 710 degree setup without the Linearity setting for the first half of the wheel travel. The extra throw on the front tires doesn't happen until your arms are about to cross over to catch a high angle drift. My 360 degree setup feels like 730 degrees without the Lin. setting.

The Fanatec wheel doesn't have support for the free-spin that the some of the Logitec wheels have. We can reproduce the effect by running a higher FFB setting with a higher Drift setting, but it feels like something between weird and very strange the way the game applies it.
My setting of FFB set at 010 combined with Dri 005 gives you a neutral feeling with some power steering exactly like a real car that has power steering. I have the Carrera model wheel, so my FFB level is based on it. If you have one of the GT belt drive models, you may need to fine tune the ratio of FFB level to the Dri. level to find where it is neither hard to counter-steer, but it doesn't auto free-spin when counter-steering either.

Drifting in GT5 with just a straight 900 degree setup is nearly impossible and you would most likely be knocking over furniture and scaring the cat if you tried.

 

[Bobalob]

It's very very manageable. What do you think everyone else does? the motors can't keep up for letting the wheel go but many many people can drift many many cars on a standard 900 deg g25. It's actually pretty easy.

 

[mikekhel30]

Although G27 has 900 deg, I never go lock to lock.

 

[Pedersen]

I have been running with a G25 from about a week after it came to the market. Been playing alot of games with it, but now its only used in my GT5 rig.

That said, its not the easiest thing in the world to use on 900 degrees when you drift, it takes time to get used to. Once you get the feeling for it though its pretty damn easy. The main thing people keep doing is trying to force the wheel to countersteer. Just let the damn thing go and catch it when its needed. It takes quite alot of time to get a feel for when you need to catch it though. To soon and you straighten out, to late you spin out pretty much.

It's just a matter of practice,practice, practice. To date there has not really been any cars I cannot figure out how to drift effectively within a lap, and figure out the lines for it. I've never drifted on a DS3 in comparison, but I can guess that would be really easy to do some crazy stuff with. It is alot harder to go from lock to lock on a 900, and god knows you lock that wheel up back and forth alot if you go at it.

Good fun though, as I said, once you get the feeling for it, it's all about angle, throttlecontroll and some basic simple lines. Getting a car that is right for you is also important. Very diffrent handeling on diffrent cars, specially when it comes to drifting. Try a couple out in lobbies and see what works for you.

 

[Rdp616]

You guys are still missing the concept of the Linearity setting on the Fanatec wheels. I have used this setup for years on radio controlled aircraft as it is now the standard for 3D flying.R/C guys call it "expo" but it's the same thing.

on the setup that I have set for 230 degrees feels just like a 710 degree setup without the Linearity setting for the first half of the wheel travel. The extra throw on the front tires doesn't happen until your arms are about to cross over to catch a high angle drift. My 360 degree setup feels like 730 degrees without the Lin. setting.

The Fanatec wheel doesn't have support for the free-spin that the some of the Logitec wheels have. We can reproduce the effect by running a higher FFB setting with a higher Drift setting, but it feels like something between weird and very strange the way the game applies it.
My setting of FFB set at 010 combined with Dri 005 gives you a neutral feeling with some power steering exactly like a real car that has power steering. I have the Carrera model wheel, so my FFB level is based on it. If you have one of the GT belt drive models, you may need to fine tune the ratio of FFB level to the Dri. level to find where it is neither hard to counter-steer, but it doesn't auto free-spin when counter-steering either.

Drifting in GT5 with just a straight 900 degree setup is nearly impossible and you would most likely be knocking over furniture and scaring the cat if you tried.

Good info 👍. I've had a GT3rs for a while now and i've just recently been messing with the linearity, and i'm starting to understand it a little more. I'm gonna give these settings a shot and see what happens.

 

[Frozzy]

I never cared for drifting in GT until I got my G27 to be honest. I don't really know what it's like to drift with a DS3. lol

All I know is, drifting with a wheel is tons of fun. Took me a LONG time to learn though. Drifting alone was one thing but doing tandem is another.

 

[GTP_Gearhead]

I had my first beautiful dual corner tandem drift last night using my G27. I hated drifting and pretty much thought it was useless until that lobby last night. It honestly took me 3 hours of practice on the second and third corner of Suzuka. My god when it happend was it awesome!

 

[Lazy Liquid]

Drift using the D-pad. They will see you roll...

 

[klevrah]

you'll get fed up at looking at the wheel sitting there while you drift with ds3 XD. thats what happened to me.

if you have g27 turn ffb to 10 and set active steering to strong (this'll let you feel the 'hard' bit in the wheel) your trying to nudge it back and forth 'sort of' through this hard point in the turning of the steering wheel And to exit a drift without spinning out you have to straighten that wheel up and keep it there, don't try to countersteer the snakey, just keep the wheel straight with a bit of foot control. practice is the only remedy and your only salvation XD

 

[Bobalob]

can't get my g25 in the front room to comfortably anymore so it's a lot of ds3 nowerdays. wheel tends to stay on the pc now.

 

[DogFightKingz]

I can't imagine playing this game without a wheel.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

I can't imagine playing this game without a wheel.

Imagine you are playing a skateboard game and you are doing a grind on any rail, trying to equilibrate yourself. Some guys use the analog taping it, some other use the analog rounding it like a wheel, some guys use only d-pads taping ultra fast. There is no consense about what is the optimal turning speed sets, some guys uses on 5, some on 2, some on -2... As lower is the turning speeds, better is the weight transfer control, but also higher is delay before reach the corners.