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- CANUDIGTHIS
.......and after last nights performance Driver can run his A4 at 590pp 
DTM - Assigned car league - Sundays 8pm GMT
- Thread starter worduphomes
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- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
Nice driving in the hotlap camp Driver! 
I think the hotlap comp has exposed a few flaws with the ranking system:
It seems canu is only mega-fast when he can tune the car and Driver is mega-fast if he is not allowed to tune the car. So drivers tuning skills are pretty rubbish LOL !
Dropping the Alfa, Calibra and 190e does sound like a good idea but I think the pp gaps need to be a little bigger. Maybe something like:
Audi A4 - 590pp
Driver
Scale
Canu
Captain
Audi TT - 605pp
Will
Homes
Sassa
Ally
Vauxhall Astra - 620pp
RichBeck
Greest (if his back allows him to use a wheel)
zuat
Merc CLK or BMW M3 - 630pp
Petrol
Rikkos
and any other drivers who need the extra PP
Just a suggestion...
Another thing...
There is always confusion when people talk about the 'fast' group or the 'slow' group'. Do they mean the fast group of driver or the fast group of cars and visa-versa... How about from now on we refer to the groups in F1 terminology?
For example:
The fast drivers who can still challenge even when they have rubbish cars will be the 'Ayrton Schumacher group'
The slow drivers who only win because they have the best car will be refered to as the 'Damon Prost group'
The average drivers who sometimes challenge in their average machinery but probably still wont win much if put in good machinery will be refered to as the 'Rubens Berger group'
I think the hotlap comp has exposed a few flaws with the ranking system:
It seems canu is only mega-fast when he can tune the car and Driver is mega-fast if he is not allowed to tune the car. So drivers tuning skills are pretty rubbish LOL !
Dropping the Alfa, Calibra and 190e does sound like a good idea but I think the pp gaps need to be a little bigger. Maybe something like:
Audi A4 - 590pp
Driver
Scale
Canu
Captain
Audi TT - 605pp
Will
Homes
Sassa
Ally
Vauxhall Astra - 620pp
RichBeck
Greest (if his back allows him to use a wheel)
zuat
Merc CLK or BMW M3 - 630pp
Petrol
Rikkos
and any other drivers who need the extra PP
Just a suggestion...
Another thing...
There is always confusion when people talk about the 'fast' group or the 'slow' group'. Do they mean the fast group of driver or the fast group of cars and visa-versa... How about from now on we refer to the groups in F1 terminology?
For example:
The fast drivers who can still challenge even when they have rubbish cars will be the 'Ayrton Schumacher group'
The slow drivers who only win because they have the best car will be refered to as the 'Damon Prost group'
The average drivers who sometimes challenge in their average machinery but probably still wont win much if put in good machinery will be refered to as the 'Rubens Berger group'
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
it cant be schumacher as he cant win unless he got l8 90's early 2000's driver aids
and the next group is for any one who drove in ferrai as they have diffrent rules 2 every 1 else
and finally the underdog group ( ppl like button and perez and webber)
i felt i had 2 put my opinion in
ps im ot surprised at the running of mordern dtm as the rules back then were soooo diffrent however the alfa might be quick enough i f scal drives that
and the next group is for any one who drove in ferrai as they have diffrent rules 2 every 1 else
and finally the underdog group ( ppl like button and perez and webber)
i felt i had 2 put my opinion in
ps im ot surprised at the running of mordern dtm as the rules back then were soooo diffrent however the alfa might be quick enough i f scal drives that
- 569
- CT / SA
- driverone0one
Homes you crack me up.....lol.....oh and I think Canu was still goofed from overindulgence.
I am stoked you are keen to drop those slower cars.
I still reckon the PP difference may be a little hectic.
Suggestion (without testing...yet)
595pp
610pp
620pp
630pp
I suppose we need to test....yes....but I like the way this looks. I am off to try set up the A4..... actually....maybe I shouldnt ... lol lol lol
I am stoked you are keen to drop those slower cars.
I still reckon the PP difference may be a little hectic.
Suggestion (without testing...yet)
595pp
610pp
620pp
630pp
I suppose we need to test....yes....but I like the way this looks. I am off to try set up the A4..... actually....maybe I shouldnt ... lol lol lol
- 569
- CT / SA
- driverone0one
Sorry...meant this (wont allow me to edit the above)
600pp
610pp
615pp
620pp
600pp
610pp
615pp
620pp
- 684
- CANUDIGTHIS
worduphomesNice driving in the hotlap camp Driver!
I think the hotlap comp has exposed a few flaws with the ranking system:
It seems canu is only mega-fast when he can tune the car and Driver is mega-fast if he is not allowed to tune the car. So drivers tuning skills are pretty rubbish LOL !
Dropping the Alfa, Calibra and 190e does sound like a good idea but I think the pp gaps need to be a little bigger. Maybe something like:
Audi A4 - 590pp
Driver
Scale
Canu
Captain
Audi TT - 605pp
Will
Homes
Sassa
Ally
Vauxhall Astra - 620pp
RichBeck
Greest (if his back allows him to use a wheel)
zuat
Merc CLK or BMW M3 - 630pp
Petrol
Rikkos
and any other drivers who need the extra PP
Just a suggestion...
Another thing...
There is always confusion when people talk about the 'fast' group or the 'slow' group'. Do they mean the fast group of driver or the fast group of cars and visa-versa... How about from now on we refer to the groups in F1 terminology?
For example:
The fast drivers who can still challenge even when they have rubbish cars will be the 'Ayrton Schumacher group'
The slow drivers who only win because they have the best car will be refered to as the 'Damon Prost group'
The average drivers who sometimes challenge in their average machinery but probably still wont win much if put in good machinery will be refered to as the 'Rubens Berger group'
Haha ha...... that's classic Homes!
My apologies for last night, I was suffering with a bit of a hangover which made me a bit erratic lol. But I tried my best, but you know me, I'm not as fast as the other aliens without setup.
Ally was seriously on it and should definitely be given the option to run with the Ayrton Schumi group
But I agree with Drivers assessment. The CLK is a full 2-4 seconds a lap faster than the A4 even when they are running the same pp. Add an extra 30pp into the mix and it should be plenty!
- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
I like the idea of dropping the other cars. They are definitely a bore to drive.
The PP number doesn't matter as much as the gap between each PP. Really what we might want to try is another 1 on 1 hot lap challenge in our newly assigned cars. It would be interesting to see how things turn out. And could help balance the PP. This is starting to look like an Audi dealership.
I wish there was a way for us to place a PP number on the person and not the car. That way people could choose any car they want. Might be something to test as well. I realize that putting the 590pp guys in a CLK would create a problem for the rest of us. But maybe it wouldn't. I going to do some research and figure something out.
The PP number doesn't matter as much as the gap between each PP. Really what we might want to try is another 1 on 1 hot lap challenge in our newly assigned cars. It would be interesting to see how things turn out. And could help balance the PP. This is starting to look like an Audi dealership.
I wish there was a way for us to place a PP number on the person and not the car. That way people could choose any car they want. Might be something to test as well. I realize that putting the 590pp guys in a CLK would create a problem for the rest of us. But maybe it wouldn't. I going to do some research and figure something out.
- 684
- CANUDIGTHIS
It would be great if each person could get allocated his personal pp....... but just from my experience when testing the current cars, I was definitely way faster in the M3 than any other car at the same pp. I think it just suites my tail happy style lol. So I don't think it would work. But it will be interesting to see what you come up with Sassa
- 569
- CT / SA
- driverone0one
Also Sass, remember Homes will then have to make sure all drivers enter the track for quali as well as the race with the correct PP.....thats hectic on him, and then someone gets DC and rejoins and we have to do the whole process again.
It would be awesome, however for the race night to run smoothly I think its best we have our three groups, its faster and easier to police.
It would be awesome, however for the race night to run smoothly I think its best we have our three groups, its faster and easier to police.
- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
Yep. I forgot about all that stuff. It's not possible anyway. Lol.
Me and Greest ran 1 on 1 hot laps at Trial Mountain. Me in the TT at 605pp and him in the Astra at 620pp. It was actually pretty good. About a second apart. I was a little faster than him but he had no time in the car. And no set up. I had a ton of practice on that track on Sunday so I was just attacking it. My fastest lap was a 1:20.064. That's why I thought we should try another hot lap situation. We could at least get a lot of valuable info from it. Each car will perform differently on other tracks for sure. But this could be a good base line for possible minor pp adjustment if necessary.
Me and Greest ran 1 on 1 hot laps at Trial Mountain. Me in the TT at 605pp and him in the Astra at 620pp. It was actually pretty good. About a second apart. I was a little faster than him but he had no time in the car. And no set up. I had a ton of practice on that track on Sunday so I was just attacking it. My fastest lap was a 1:20.064. That's why I thought we should try another hot lap situation. We could at least get a lot of valuable info from it. Each car will perform differently on other tracks for sure. But this could be a good base line for possible minor pp adjustment if necessary.
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- CANUDIGTHIS
Sounds cool...... but maybe instead of a hot lap shoot out, we can just do three 10min qualis....... like in F1. Then we can check everyone's pace with different pp and it won't be as much work for Homes
- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
yes
this is the pp I THINK we should run at
Aryton group A4 n TT
590pp
Canu
Driver
A computer
(falcon?)
Damon group A4 n TT
605-610pp
falcon
Ally
Homes
Will
Sassa
Rubens group M3 n Astra n CLK
625-630pp
Petrol
Greest
Rich
Rikkos
If u think you are an onion group
640pp
An onion
A broccali
1980s music
cheese
wheelchair
my great Nan
lol
This is my thoughts, ive run some tests through my 2000GB brain and think this is correct, the reason y i dont want pp to high is cos whn the cars r goin slower the overtakes are cleaner, and there will b more of them, also there is less chance of making mistakes.
Aryton group A4 n TT
590pp
Canu
Driver
A computer
(falcon?)
Damon group A4 n TT
605-610pp
falcon
Ally
Homes
Will
Sassa
Rubens group M3 n Astra n CLK
625-630pp
Petrol
Greest
Rich
Rikkos
If u think you are an onion group
640pp
An onion
A broccali
1980s music
cheese
wheelchair
my great Nan
lol
This is my thoughts, ive run some tests through my 2000GB brain and think this is correct
, the reason y i dont want pp to high is cos whn the cars r goin slower the overtakes are cleaner, and there will b more of them, also there is less chance of making mistakes.
- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
I agree with this alien
GOOD IDEA
hi guys ive just thought of a great idea that we havn't yet explored, when we start the series, why dont we make our OWN TRACKS that will be suitable for real racing, so u no make ur own overtaking spots, fun spots technical spots etc. Then we do a test to see who has best tracks (be able to change to own track in a private lobby) thn these tracks can race along side the GT tracks. i think this is a brilliant idea that we should test
hi guys ive just thought of a great idea that we havn't yet explored, when we start the series, why dont we make our OWN TRACKS that will be suitable for real racing, so u no make ur own overtaking spots, fun spots technical spots etc. Then we do a test to see who has best tracks (be able to change to own track in a private lobby) thn these tracks can race along side the GT tracks. i think this is a brilliant idea that we should test
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- Westkerke
- Rikkos187
@scale: not a bad idea but the downside is that the owner of the track would be able to practice more offline ;-)
@homes & @scale: lol....i love ure classifications.....onion group...haha
@everybody: excuses forbspelling mistakes etc....dutch is my mothertongue (?)
Grtz
@homes & @scale: lol....i love ure classifications.....onion group...haha
@everybody: excuses forbspelling mistakes etc....dutch is my mothertongue (?)
Grtz
- 684
- CANUDIGTHIS
Hello Rikkos....... nice pic lol.
I do like that idea but the practice thing could be an issue, unless............ we do a championship where each guy makes his own track and presents it to everyone else in a practice evening for approval. Then atleast it's fair...... each guy should have the upper hand on his own track cause he can practice on it. It's actually a brilliant idea "Master"
I do like that idea but the practice thing could be an issue, unless............ we do a championship where each guy makes his own track and presents it to everyone else in a practice evening for approval. Then atleast it's fair...... each guy should have the upper hand on his own track cause he can practice on it. It's actually a brilliant idea "Master"
- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
I am not that experienced at making tracks but would it be feasable to send the other drivers the settings that you used to create your track and then you could replicate it and practice?
Another thing... Some driver just don't have the time to practice at all, so maybe we only do this for 1 or 2 events???
Another thing... Some driver just don't have the time to practice at all, so maybe we only do this for 1 or 2 events???
- 569
- CT / SA
- driverone0one
Sorry Scale....dont really know if I like the idea of self made tracks. I am really looking forward to racing these cars on tracks that we all know.
It also helps with the quality of racing, the drivers know the track and can therefore adjust their race line when racing close, not having to remember where they are on the track.
I also like the build up to race day, practicing and tuning....
I just dont know if I would be keen....just my view bud
It also helps with the quality of racing, the drivers know the track and can therefore adjust their race line when racing close, not having to remember where they are on the track.
I also like the build up to race day, practicing and tuning....
I just dont know if I would be keen....just my view bud
- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
I'm not a huge fan of doing user created tracks. We all would have to download and practice a new track. Its is a fun idea but some of us don't get much time to practice.
The only suggestion I can make is to do a user created Special Stage. One created track, short heat races, reverse order grid, etc. I've done several in the past and its gone very well. Maybe a different points systems for that race or same points but added up over 3-5 heat races. Here's the idea:
-Everyone downloads a selected track at beginning of the season so we all have time to get familiar with it.
-The Special Stage would be somewhere in the middle of the championship. Kind of a fun break from the actual series but still has some sort of point system (towards the championship) or prizes.
-One qualifying session at the beginning, then reverse grid for the rest of the SS.
-5 heat races. Somewhere between 5-8 laps. Don't wanna make the races too long or else they will have the same results almost every time. Cream rises to the top, if you know what I mean.
-Here's a points systems I've used in the past: Everyone gets points for where they finish in each heat race. At the end, all the points for each driver are added up and that is what makes your final results. Normal points for final finishing order is applied to the championship.
Just an idea to somehow incorporate a user created track.
The only suggestion I can make is to do a user created Special Stage. One created track, short heat races, reverse order grid, etc. I've done several in the past and its gone very well. Maybe a different points systems for that race or same points but added up over 3-5 heat races. Here's the idea:
-Everyone downloads a selected track at beginning of the season so we all have time to get familiar with it.
-The Special Stage would be somewhere in the middle of the championship. Kind of a fun break from the actual series but still has some sort of point system (towards the championship) or prizes.
-One qualifying session at the beginning, then reverse grid for the rest of the SS.
-5 heat races. Somewhere between 5-8 laps. Don't wanna make the races too long or else they will have the same results almost every time. Cream rises to the top, if you know what I mean.
-Here's a points systems I've used in the past: Everyone gets points for where they finish in each heat race. At the end, all the points for each driver are added up and that is what makes your final results. Normal points for final finishing order is applied to the championship.
Just an idea to somehow incorporate a user created track.
- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
Nice idea sassa. Sometimes spicing things up a bit is a good idea. As long as the user created track/tracks are available to everyone well in advance so we can practice, even if we all practice together after our normal races, it could work.
Anyone else got any other ideas to add a little bit of excitement / variation to the championship?
Also - Is everyone up for a serious test session this sunday?
Anyone else got any other ideas to add a little bit of excitement / variation to the championship?
Also - Is everyone up for a serious test session this sunday?
- 68
- Johannesburg So
- zuat
So whats the story here, we practicing this weekend? Am I allowed to use either the M3 or the Audi R8? What PP can I use? What "speed" group have you assigned me to? I would prefer to use either the M3 or the R8, but will drive anything that is competitive. I think that the M3 with additional PP will be a beast in anybodys hands. Anyways, sien julle manne online vanaand [see you guys online tonight - thats afrikaans for the U S of A guys]
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