Elections 2007: France

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French set to elect new president

Sarkozy and Royal had an acrimonious exchange on Friday
Voters in France go to the polls on Sunday in the second and final round of their country's most hotly-contested presidential election in recent times.
The socialist Segolene Royal and conservative Nicolas Sarkozy are bidding to succeed Jacques Chirac, who has been president for 12 years.

On Friday, Ms Royal said her rival's election might spark riots. Mr Sarkozy accused her of verbal violence.

Citizens resident in France's overseas territories have already begun voting.

First to vote were 5,000 people on the tiny archipelago of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, which lies 25km off the Atlantic coast of Canada.

Voting also took place early in French Guyana, the Caribbean islands of Martinique and Guadeloupe, and French Polynesia in the Pacific, with one million French in overseas territories and other countries around the world eligible.

For the 43.5 million voters in mainland France, polling stations will open at 0800 (0600 GMT) on Sunday and close 12 hours later.

'Brutality'

On the last day of campaigning on Friday Ms Royal said that electing Mr Sarkozy could spark riots and violence and that he was a "dangerous choice".

"It is my responsibility today to alert people to the risk of [his] candidature with regards to the violence and brutality that would be unleashed in the country," she said.

Mr Sarkozy reacted angrily, accusing Ms Royal of breaking "elementary rules of democracy".

He said he could not understand why Ms Royal had felt the need to resort to "verbal violence".

"I told Ms Royal that politics should be about respect, openness, tolerance, unity. I feel she's just ending with violence, a certain feverishness. France deserves something else."

Mr Sarkozy, a former interior minister and leader of the governing right-wing UMP party, is the favourite to win Sunday's run-off vote, having won 30% in the election's first round.

However, Ms Royal got nearly 25% and analysts believe she is likely to get support from those who previously voted for her left-wing and green rivals.

The former environment minister hopes to become the first woman president of France.

The BBC's Caroline Wyatt in Paris says the French are faced with a very clear choice between left and right and two very different visions of the future.

Yet both candidates represent change and a new generation preparing to take power from the 74-year-old Jacques Chirac, according to our correspondent.

Many believe that within the two candidates' campaigns, Mr Sarkozy has outlined the clearest path for reform - one which may be painful, but could be vital to help France face the challenges of the 21st Century.

I figured this is a big enough to post here. France is pretty powerful.

I'm interested in seeing how this one turns out. I really want to see how the colonies vote; I don't really know much about their attitude toward France.

Anybody have any thoughts on this one?
 
I like Dominique De Villepin.

I don't know enough about France and French politics, but I know that Sarkozy is supposed to be DDV's rival. However, I don't think any kind of socialism would be good for France, besides the subsidizing of their countryside farms and etc. Sarkozy, therefore, might be better for the country. I think it would be kind of cool to have De Villepin as Prime Minister with Sarkozy as President.
 
I had thought that the running field in this election was pretty much down to Sarkozy and Royal.

Today's report on the election:

BBC
Records broken as France decides
France is reporting record turnout as voters choose between socialist Segolene Royal and conservative Nicolas Sarkozy for their next president.
In a hotly contested poll, nearly 75% of voters had cast their ballots by late afternoon - the highest turnout at that point in more than 30 years.

The winner will take over from Jacques Chirac after his 12 years in power.

Ms Royal has said a Sarkozy victory might spark riots, while Mr Sarkozy has accused her of verbal violence.

Polls opened at 0800 (0600 GMT) for mainland France's 43.5 million voters and are due to close at 2000 (1800 GMT).

One million citizens living in the overseas territories or other countries cast their votes earlier.

The first round brought 85% of the electorate out to vote, the highest turnout for 40 years.

'A punishment'

Mr Sarkozy voted in his home of Neuilly-sur-Seine near Paris, accompanied by his two step-daughters - though not his wife Cecilia.

He was greeted by supporters who applauded him and chanted "Sarko president!".

Ms Royal cast her vote in her constituency in the Poitou-Charente region, though she is expected back in Paris for a post-result speech.

At a polling station near the Champs-Elysees in Paris, unemployed voter Anne Combemale said she had chosen Mr Sarkozy because of his market-oriented economic platform.

"He has the willpower to change France," the 43-year-old said.

In Argenteuil, the town north-west of Paris where Mr Sarkozy notoriously talked of hosing out "rabble" before the 2005 urban riots, Doratine Ekoka, a 70-year-old retired computer programmer, said she trusted Ms Royal to "clean up public life".

A Sarkozy victory, she added, "would be like a punishment from God" because of his "terrible character".

More than 3,000 police have been deployed in Paris and its multi-ethnic suburbs to prevent a repeat of the 2005 riots if, as many expect, Nicolas Sarkozy celebrates a victory on Sunday night.

New generation

The BBC's Caroline Wyatt in Paris says there is almost a sense of relief among many that after months of campaigning and heated debate, the nation is finally making its choice about the future.

Whoever wins, it will mark a generational shift, with power being handed over by 74-year-old Jacques Chirac to a new president in his or her fifties.

Mr Sarkozy is a tough former interior minister who has promised reforms to put France bring down high unemployment and boost economic growth.

Ms Royal has also pledged to create new jobs, while keeping France's cherished social model of generous welfare benefits and state aid.

The winner will inherit a fractured society in need of both economic reform and a new self-confidence, as France seeks to regain its former economic strength and its global influence, our correspondent says
 
I had thought that the running field in this election was pretty much down to Sarkozy and Royal.

It is. Dominique is the Prime Minister.

It sounds like the people want Royal to be their savior or something. They want their false-philanthropy from the government. In that case, Sarkozy should get in. When Royal fails the people, everything will suck even more. The people need to learn to rely on themselves and utilize the good market Sarkozy will bring them.
 
Well, I've never really been a big fan of France, but obviously this election is very important not only to that country, the EU, the UN, but indeed in some ways to the rest of the world. France, much like The United States, The United Kingdom, Germany and Russia still largely control the world, so yes indeed their leadership remains an important part of the world community through various programs, diplomatic channels, etc to maintain the current world-balance.

...That being said, with the country already tearing itself apart the past few years (job riots, Muslim riots, more pissed-off people on welfare issues, etc), obviously there needs to be come kind of change in government for the better. At least where I stand, the conservative candidate would hopefully bring France back to its feet, and thereby back to its senses, and join the rest of the 'sane' world with the fight against Islamo-Fascism, terrorism, aid world economics through better globalization treaties and the decrease in tarrifs, and altogether now, helping to slow global warming, just a bit...

...But, like my favorite book (Mark Steyn's America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It) points out, France is going to need to solve many of its internal issues before anything representing a global power re-emerges. First and foremost, they need to fix their social welfare structure, and wean people off the system so that France's government isn't in complete collapse as the Baby-boomers retire. Step two is addressing the the current situation they face with birth rates, with one of the lowest in Europe (I belive it was at 1.2 back in 2005, compared with the US 2.1), which would only add further stress to a system that cannot support itself. Thirdly, and most importantly, France has to figure out what the hell it is going to do with its immigrant population. With a mass of people pissed-off because they can't become citizens and thereby don't attain those rights (be they social, economic, etc), this can cause further problems down the road. And with the native French folks in decline and these increasingly radical Muslim communities on the rise, God only knows what happens a few decades down the road...

Its an important one, thats for sure. Last I had herd, the good nature of the French citizens had put the conservative candidate in the lead, rated at about 53% of the vote. Thats good news for those of us who want to like, and help, France again...
 
Yes, very good indeed. I was surprised by his comments about the US, as it seems France actually wants to be a friendly nation again... And whats this? French people want to work more than 35 hours a week because they envy our industriousness?

Dear God, this may be their best President ever!

I have high-hopes for this guy. More than anything I want him to address the Muslim Immigrant issue, as it may be one that blows up in their face (literally) in the near future, and we as Allies, don't want to see that happen. Someone needs to start making sense of whats going on over there, as as long as the violence stops among these people and the 'regular' French folks, it will be good for everyone.

...Wow, for the first time ever I may be able to say that I would actually want to visit France...
 
I love how riots are a 'normality' in France these days. People didn't believe me when I told them they were crazy...
 
I love how riots are a 'normality' in France these days. People didn't believe me when I told them they were crazy...

Riots have been 'normality' in France for, like, ever. Standing up against authority is in their blood. Except for WWII.
 
I love how Royal talked about the "violence and brutality" that might occur if Sarkozy wins. I mean, what is she saying about her supporters?
 
Whats with anger against the french? (for people who live in the US)

They didn't join us in our invasion of Iraq.

Riots have been 'normality' in France for, like, ever. Standing up against authority is in their blood. Except for WWII.

Bingo. France was a world super power pretty much up until world war two. Even then, the biggest advantage (that I can see) that the UK had was being an island. Britain probably woudn't have done much better if Germany got on their land. France is also one of the 5 Nuclear states and one of the permanent members of the UN security counsel. I think it's important that they keep their country in good working order.

One of the biggest issues Sarkozy (as well as the rest of Europe) will probably be dealing with will be a greying population. Of course immigration may be an issue. I think his popularity will really swing on what happens with these issues.
 
Tbh didn't most of the countries that ended up invading Iraq (I nearly put France........) supply weapons to them before the invasion?
 
During the Iran-Iraq conflict, yes. It doesn't make it ok that other countries did it too. Countries like China, Russia, and France continued after the Persian Gulf war.
 
So you hate the french because of some war? Thats bull crap.

Its a longer story than just that my friend. Yes, the French did aid us in our Revolution against the British, but that being said, their own Revolution scared the hell out of us (Jefferson in particular), and generally lead to the decrease in a normal political relationship between us and France... And quite frankly, Napoleon didn't help either. Slowly but surely, we realized how crazy they were, and eventually (after the war of 1812), we were a bit more receptive with our British friends, and we have been 'buddies' since.

...France and the US will always be a connected unit by history, nationality (keep in mind that many people in the US are decedents from French immigrants), and by a common system of law and their notion of placing morality and reason at the top of the social food chain. But that being said, we of course have your great differences...

Drastically different Economic ideals, drastically different demands of the government by the people, drastically different social norms, differences of religion (or the lack thereof if France), etc.

We don't 'hate' eachother, we just didn't get along under the Guidance of Chirac. Hopefully Sarkozy can walk the walk after talking the talk, as I know we are happy to have our old friend back.

...Hopefully too, I pray that Sarkozy won't wilt at the pressure placed upon him by the Islamic-Fundamentalist problem in his country. If Chirac had one weakness, it was the fear of his people and the immigrants who lived with them. Sarkozy needs to firstly enforce standing laws, secondly adjust current laws, and thirdly do his best to begin the wake-up-call to the rest of Europe as to how to address this issue.

If there is one thing we don't want, it is to see Europe rot from the inside out. France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, and yes even the Netherlands (home country!) are in some deep bantha-foodo if they don't address these problems. Otherwise, it may take a few bombs and a couple of angry riots to fix it... Otherwise World War III (again in Europe, sorry) is a certain possibility.

Lets hope, pray, chant, whatever that things go well. I like the guy, and I'm giving him a chance...

Bonne chance Sarkozy. Dieu soit avec toi.
 
Being French living in the UK, I'm glad Sarkosy has been electected as I think he was the only one with enough determination to change things as it cannot carry on like that. I hope that the "UMP" got the majority at the next legislative election otherwise he will have to compose a governement of cohabitation with the left basically tightening his hands. From his previous role he was the only one with enough guts to try to move things foward even if this made him unpopular.
French like their assets and don't want them to be shuffled around. What they have to see is that the current system will go in the wall sometime and need major rerouting to avoid it. The 35h week for example, a good starting point as it was to increase employment, but failed as it only blocked people to work more for more income ad reduced productivity.
Regarding the riots, Sarkosy was already disliked when he was interior minister as he already putted more presure on the hotpoints to reinforce police respect. I thinks the minority bringing those riots can see a wind of change coming up and they really don't like it.

..., and join the rest of the 'sane' world with the fight against Islamo-Fascism, terrorism, aid world economics through better globalization treaties and the decrease in tarrifs, and altogether now, helping to slow global warming, just a bit...

Sorry but I don't qualify war as sane specially when this is brough upon wrong reasons. Up to you to think that the US/UK alliance went there for WMDs, I personnaly think it was more for the oil. Exactly the same reason pushing Mr Chirac and Mr Poutine to flag up the humanitary banner, hidding the fact that major contract between Iraq, France and Russia were being delt with as to know who will subcontract newly found oil field. I still think that this should have gone under a diplomatic resolution to avoid to kick the ants nest.
 
Sorry but I don't qualify war as sane specially when this is brough upon wrong reasons. Up to you to think that the US/UK alliance went there for WMDs, I personnaly think it was more for the oil.

No offense, but if it was for oil, don't you think we would be rolling in it by now? Gas prices here in America are almost guaranteed to hit $4 a gallon this summer, a far-cry from the $1.50-2.00 range that we were in before the war. So if it was all about oil, you'd think it would be cheaper...

...Either way, France has enough on its plate, which has always struck me as odd as to why they haven't done their job in combating Islamic Fundamentalism through terrorism and Islamo-Fascist states (particularly when the immigrants make up what, nearly a quarter of the country? Or is it at little more than a third?), especially with their necks on the line. The same thing can be said of the Dutch, and even of the Germans, particularly when their increasingly more shall we say 'open' way of life is clearly in direct offense to these people moral and social traditions.

What it comes down to is a "don't say I didn't warn you" type situation, and that is why I'm hoping that Sarkozy does his part. No, I'm not calling for France to join us in Iraq or Afghanistan, but lets be frank, France needs to be tougher on these people and what they are presumably doing in that country. It does remind me of the story about the Mayor of Paris, who was openly gay if I'm not mistaken, who was stabbed in public by an Islamic Fundamentalist.

...Think more along the lines of bullets and bombs next time, and thats the stuff that I hope France can stay away from...

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On that note: I think everyone here needs to read this book:

Mark Steyn's America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It

From the inside cover:

It’s the end of the world as we know it…

Someday soon, you might wake up to the call to prayer from a muezzin. Europeans already are.

And liberals will still tell you that "diversity is our strength"—while Talibanic enforcers cruise Greenwich Village burning books and barber shops, the Supreme Court decides sharia law doesn’t violate the "separation of church and state," and the Hollywood Left decides to give up on gay rights in favor of the much safer charms of polygamy.

If you think this can’t happen, you haven’t been paying attention, as the hilarious, provocative, and brilliant Mark Steyn—the most popular conservative columnist in the English-speaking world—shows to devastating effect in this, his first and eagerly awaited new book on American and global politics.

The future, as Steyn shows, belongs to the fecund and the confident. And the Islamists are both, while the West—wedded to a multiculturalism that undercuts its own confidence, a welfare state that nudges it toward sloth and self-indulgence, and a childlessness that consigns it to oblivion—is looking ever more like the ruins of a civilization.

Europe, laments Steyn, is almost certainly a goner. The future, if the West has one, belongs to America alone—with maybe its cousins in brave Australia. But America can survive, prosper, and defend its freedom only if it continues to believe in itself, in the sturdier virtues of self-reliance (not government), in the centrality of family, and in the conviction that our country really is the world’s last best hope.

Steyn argues that, contra the liberal cultural relativists, America should proclaim the obvious: we do have a better government, religion, and culture than our enemies, and we should spread America’s influence around the world—for our own sake as well as theirs.

Mark Steyn’s America Alone is laugh-out-loud funny—but it will also change the way you look at the world. It is sure to be the most talked-about book of the year.

...I don't care if your on the left or the right, it is an interesting read. All I ask is that you consider it...
 
Where is all my free oil ? I am paying almost 50 percent more since the war started..thats the biggest bunch of bull that people still spout about the war...lol......For the MONEY the US has spent in and on Iraq we could have BOUGHT SAUDI ARABIA .


LOL.
 
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