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Originally posted by miata13B
Above 4-litre
Volkswagen Diesel 5-litre V10 (Touareg/Phaeton)
that says it all. The best SUV on the market and going to be the best solution for the over-priced 7 series and SL mercedes at a better price
Why don't you do a little poking around about the reviews on the SUVs in the market, you will find that the Touareg placed first in its claas even against the Porsche Cayenne thing.Originally posted by M5Power
The best SUV on the market?
Um, why?
I dont know how they judge this thing tho. Because its almost obvious a 5.0 V10 Diesel engine is gonna be kick ass. Its got power, but most important, its got torque.. tons of it! In terms of it being a new engine for 2003, I think thats why it got the prize. Personally, the above 4-litre should go to BMW's V12 powering the McLaren F1 and the X5 LM edition, but that engine is old thus not being part of these awards.Originally posted by miata13B
Above 4-litre
Volkswagen Diesel 5-litre V10 (Touareg/Phaeton)
that says it all. The best SUV on the market and going to be the best solution for the over-priced 7 series and SL mercedes at a better price
Originally posted by miata13B
Why don't you do a little poking around about the reviews on the SUVs in the market, you will find that the Touareg placed first in its claas even against the Porsche Cayenne thing.
Originally posted by T13R
Does the Volvo come with a diesel engine?
http://www.wintonsworld.com/cars/volvo-xc90.htmlThe VW has great technology appeal with its amazing top-of-the-range 313 bhp V-10 diesel. It is streets ahead in the off-road stakes, although both these qualities are probably more for show than practicality. . . They both will have to win out against established machines like the BMW X5, Mercedes M-class, Land Rover Discovery and Range Rover, and Jeep Grand Cherokee. . . The Touareg was developed jointly with Porsche (a relationship which doesnt seem to appear in any VW publicity material), which has just launched its Cayenne version. Maybe because of this link with Porsche, the Touareg does look lower and sportier than the XC90. It is definitely a handsome beast. . . In refinement, the Touareg bears comparison with luxury saloons, thanks to careful attention to the reduction of cabin noise and vibration. All models in the range are well appointed and equipped, and there is a comprehensive array of optional luxury equipment,. . . The Touareg offers a choice of 4 engines 3.2 litre V6, 4.2 litre V8, 2.5 litre diesel, and that 5.0 litre V10 diesel. A six speed auto box is available on all engines; a six speed manual is available on the 2.5 diesel and V6 models. . . The Volvo diesel engine seemed a bit gruff, gutless and noisy under acceleration. . .
Volvo XC90 D5
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Engine - 2.4 litre, five cylinder, common rail diesel
Power - 163 bhp
Acceleration - 0-62 mph 9.3 seconds
Top Speed - 111 mph
Gearbox - 6-speed automatic
CO2 - 242 g/km
Fuel consumption - 37.7 mpg combined (claimed)
Length - 4,798 mm
Height - 1,784 mm
Width - 1,898 mm
Suspension - Front - MacPherson strut,
- Rear - Multi-link independent
Price - £28,985 (¤41,750)
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Pluses - All those seats, anti-rollover technology
Minuses - Harsh diesel
Score out of five - ****
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VW Touareg
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Engine - 2.5 litre 5-cylinder Pumpe Duise diesel
Power - 174 bhp
Acceleration - (to be announced)
Top Speed - (to be announced)
Gearbox - Six speed automatic or manual
CO2 - (to be announced)
Fuel consumption - (to be announced)
Suspension - Independent front and rear
Price - from £28,600 (¤41,200)
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Pluses - Awesome looks, off-roadability
Minuses - That name, that brand
Score out of five - ****
If they take that out it might cost even less Talk about useless gadgets.Originally posted by miata13B
[BThe doors have sensorsw that key in on the remote key for the car. No more dropping things before opening your door now . [/B]
Useless gadgets? I actually find it quite conveneint when I am showing off the car to customers. I rarely ever use the unlock button that is build onto the key anymore with that SUV.Originally posted by T13R
If they take that out it might cost even less Talk about useless gadgets.
As for a new corrado, I haven't heard any news, but would love to have one powered by the W8 please . It be be serving justice if VW brings the R32 to North America, I would be the first one up to buy one . All wheel drive Hatchback with 237hp Where is that SRT-4 now???Originally posted by T13R
Hey since you work at VW... got any news on maybe a new Corrado??? or if they will bring the R32 here in North America??
On paper the SRT-4 is faster, but still put the driver seat into the problem and many things can happen. The All wheel drive on the R32 will improve powerslides on a race track giving it an edge not only on faster corners, but the wallet tooOriginally posted by T13R
Well the SRT-4 is still faster, but I would take the R32 also. For the money, and I hate to say it... the SRT-4 is the best performance car at the moment. The R32, which is not quite as fast, would cost somwhere close to 28 000 $. But Im sure its build quality and everything would be superior to that of a Neon. i would just like to know what did they compromise to have such a low price on that car!! Crazy Chrysler.
Yes is is irrelevant, but I had to show the site because of the opposite opinion that I am arguing. Even with them saying they choose the XC90 over the Toareg, The Touareg had a higher hp, A six speed tranny,indepentdant suspension, they left out the width height and length including the wheebase and also forgot the mention the air ride suspension that is offered on the Touareg which will allow you to set the height of the Touareg. Mighty Biased site if I may say so, and they still see many good traits in the Touareg right?Originally posted by M5Power
We don't get that model of the XC90. It won the comparison, but the comparison is irrelevant.
Originally posted by miata13B
The Touareg had a higher hp,
they left out the width height and length including the wheebase
and also forgot the mention the air ride suspension that is offered on the Touareg which will allow you to set the height of the Touareg.
Most likely becuase it didn't pass US emissions.Originally posted by M5Power
That makes no difference, as you know, especially because (duh) they used the diesel XC90 which produces low power in order to maximize fuel economy. Point moot, we don't get that XC90 in the US for that exact reason.
But you can based upon handling right?Because you can't judge merits based on width, height, and length. If you're that set on purchasing a bigger car, you're not going to care about the winner of the comparison.
point taken.Range Rover's been offering it for two generations (Range Rovers, incidentally, are also better than Touaregs ) and the owners simply don't take advantage of it. I bet 90% of them don't use it judging by what they look like when I see them driving.
I personally find the Touareg to be one of the best SUVs - definitely top five material - but I can't say as it's quite good enough to be the best. No-one's denying, though, that it's a well-built, sound, competitve (very late) entry to a very competitive market. [/B]
Originally posted by miata13B
Most likely becuase it didn't pass US emissions.
But you can based upon handling right?
Actually the European Diesels in both cases are far more efficient then the gas burning cars here.Originally posted by M5Power
That and because gas is dirt cheap here so there's no point in desiring a diesel.
You guess??? I would never thought you just guessed. . . Anyways, they do matter in handling aspects. Every buyer is looking for a different thing. Some look for cargo area and don't car for gas mileage. Others look for power. Some look for performance. I mean it is all bearing on what your personal preference is.I guess. They're both SUVs and probably handle similarly (the Volvo is smaller and probably does it a bit more nimbly, but I can't say as it matters considering prospective buyers). [/B]
Originally posted by miata13B
Actually the European Diesels in both cases are far more efficient then the gas burning cars here.
You guess??? I would never thought you just guessed. . . Anyways, they do matter in handling aspects. Every buyer is looking for a different thing. Some look for cargo area and don't car for gas mileage. Others look for power. Some look for performance. I mean it is all bearing on what your personal preference is.
Emissions, not gas mileage. Gas mileage is not the point of emissions, the point of emissions is polution.Originally posted by M5Power
So it's not for emissions reasons!?
You brought up emissions! You're refuting your own point!
I still think it's moot since we don't get the XC90 D5 in the US.
Originally posted by miata13B
Emissions, not gas mileage. Gas mileage is not the point of emissions, the point of emissions is polution.
Take the TDI engine VW offers. 46mpg on city streets and over 50mpg on the highway. What gas powered car can come close to that?