Enzo, 430 Scuderia or 458?

[dark_ruffo]

Which one you feel is faster, has overall better handling, better braking, better balance, etc.

I'll be buying the three of them soon to do some tests round the Nurburgring, and just wanted to know what to expect from those cars.

Every car with stock settings and sport hard tyres.

Which one would you pick if you were to do a Stock Ferrari race with those 3 cars to choose from?

Edit with test done so far:

One quick and dirty lap test round the ring show me these results, my rules were clear drive it safe home, 1 lap, no more tries, no crashes, no cuts, no restarts allowed, so I wasn't allowed to take too much risks when cornering, so that might hurt overall laptimes, but here they are:

458 Felt confortable, and responsive from the first second, great balance, did not notice low temperature tyres in the beggining, great overall fun ride.

7:36.725

Enzo Felt very twitchy and jumpy with erratic handling and braking at the beginning, but once the tyres warmed up the car became alive, very responsive, great handling, you could definately feel from corner one the higher power to weight ratio this car has, very tail happy it really suits my style.
7:30.278

430 A hugh let down, I was expecting something better out of this car after reading your feedback, but maybe I pushed it way too far, way too stupid expecting to corner better, low acceleration on higher gears, very stiff ride, not a tail happy car definitely, not my choice of a car, after one full lap I couldn't get the car to do what I wanted.

7:41.161

SP1. Mild ride, the easieast to tame of them all, maybe the best handling, suffers from the same lack of power as the 430 Scuderia when compared to the Enzo and Italia. Maybe has the best braking balance and suspension settings of the 4 cars put to test, maybe is a bit too bland, but suits best to this bumpy track, contrary to the stiff settings Enzo provides. Maybe is the slowest, since I had so much trouble handling the Scuderia.

7:40.941

Second round of testing at Suzuka

One run of three laps around Suzuka, a tricky track that rewards balance and cornering ability. Same rules as before.

458. Weak performance around the low speed hairpin, lots of understeer, Weak performance around the high speed 130, with tricky weight shifting in the final chicane, great break balance on degner, everywhere else it was a good performer, round spoon and round the S.

2:17.372

SP1. Great all arounder, not much to say about this, good in mid, low and high speed corners, Its bulkyness made it understeer a bit too much in the uphill corner after the S.

2:19.393

Scuderia. Outstanding ride. I could really squeeze the car in every corner, the more I asked for, the more it gave me, unlike the Nurb test it makes up the power diference with much better corner ability, good weight shifting, no real problems.

2:17.212

Enzo. Quite dissapointing. Its fun to ride, it gives you work to do, but its cornering ability is really poor, braking power is very low and subpar to what this massive engine power requires, 130r performance is around 10-15 kmh slower than the Scuderia. Fun, tricky ride, needs serious braking and suspension tweaking.

2:17.179

 

[SALEEN_S7-GTR]

A scuderia. its not as fast (straight line speed) or powerful as a Enzo, but costs less, and is apparently faster than a Enzo, especially on more complex tracks, including the Nurburgring.

 

[blasos]

Scuderia has really great handling, the 458 is razor-sharp and is not as easy to drive as the 430, but when you get it right it is faster. I found the Enzo a little disappointing to drive.

p.s. it's 430 Scuderia, not F430 Scuderia

 

[dark_ruffo]

Cool, thanks for the correction and the feedback. Looking forward to try them myself.

 

[JJ72]

The Enzo is the fastest on the ring if you drive it right, but not very nice to drive, the front doesn't load up properly unless you have some significant straightline braking. And it skips along rough surface rather badly.

458 best allrounder, still a bit too much understeer for my taste but tameable, not a lot slower than the Enzo.

430 Scuderia is alright, just a little bit slow compare to the other two, very stable and more track ready.

 

[Goshin2568]

Who would win? The Enzo. Best car of the 3? Scuderia by far.

 

[kr0nika]

...just wanted to know what to expect from those cars.

Sheer driving pleasure. I'm a 458 guy myself, but they're all fantastic cars.

 

[dark_ruffo]

One quick and dirty lap test round the ring show me these results, my rules were clear drive it safe home, 1 lap, no more tries, no crashes, no cuts, no restarts allowed, so I wasn't allowed to take too much risks when cornering, so that might hurt overall laptimes, but here they are:

458 Felt confortable, and responsive from the first second, great balance, did not notice low temperature tyres in the beggining, great overall fun ride.

7:36.725

Enzo Felt very twitchy and jumpy with erratic handling and braking at the beginning, but once the tyres warmed up the car became alive, very responsive, great handling, you could definately feel from corner one the higher power to weight ratio this car has, very tail happy it really suits my style.
7:30.278

430 A hugh let down, I was expecting something better out of this car after reading your feedback, but maybe I pushed it way too far, way too stupid expecting to corner better, low acceleration on higher gears, very stiff ride, not a tail happy car definitely, not my choice of a car, after one full lap I couldn't get the car to do what I wanted.

7:41.161

 

[Goshin2568]

Wow surprising results. Maybe it's your driving style, or maybe you haven't gotten used to the cars yet, but in my experiences the 430 handles much better than the other two, and not only that, it is much more fun to drive. Try out the 430 a bit more. Either your driving style contradicts it completely or you need to drive it more, but don't give up on it yet, as it is an incredible car.

 

[kurenai1987]

Got to agree about the 458.

IMO it has the best balance and is smack dab right inbetween the 430 and Enzo.

It's ultra responsive at the front which allows you to eat corners.

Throw some aeros on it , esp the front and it will finish of most circuits pretty easily

 

[BrettTheThreat]

The 458 was my go-to car until I hotted up my Gallardo, I still love that 458 for the ungodly wail that thing produces screaming to redline. Its aural sex. (Can I say that on GTP?)

 

[dark_ruffo]

Yeah, further tests need to be done since this was an out of the dealer off to the track test I couldn't get to know the cars well, but I did fall in love with the Enzo, not at first sight since its sluggish and dull when the tyres are cold, but when halfway through the lap, It was fantastic raw driving pleasure.

430 lap was horrid, so many mistakes, I didn't get the car to do something right. 458 stands in between them, very gentle when it needs to be, very calm when revving up, no need to constantly use your foot to control acceleration unlike Enzo's fast revving engine.

 

[kurenai1987]

458 Italia engine at redline rev = AWESOME sound.

Raw unbridled scream

 

[LP670-4 SV]

Drove the enzo in the demo and it was just a violent, mean, brutal car that tried to kill you every time your thumb made contact with x button, Haven't driven the enzo in GT5 though

but out of the other 2 i'd say the Scudi, just feels more planted and stable (espically during breaking) the Italia has a tendecy to get skittish (I bought the Italia though due to temptaion )

 

[dark_ruffo]

Here are the replay data in case you want to load the analizer to compare cars or watch the replay of the three laps.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ampbk7yeqa874dn

Not quite sure how they work, maybe just drag and drop the whole "PS3" folder to a pendrive then load them into the PS3.

 

[hossdeluxe]

im sorry i may sound like a huge douche but its not contest the enzo will kick the others arse with a good driver behind the wheel. Its also the most expensive but its also different than anyother ferrari. its bibically fast and worth the million. the 430 scudria and the 458 itialia are great car but the enzo in a drag and circuit will blow the others out of thew park because of its downforce and courning. trhe point about a good driver is its alot more power so if you spin out then the other two cars will be gone but if you dont spin out (under acceleration) then you'll be gone.

 

[hossdeluxe]

Drove the enzo in the demo and it was just a violent, mean, brutal car that tried to kill you every time your thumb made contact with x button, Haven't driven the enzo in GT5 though

but out of the other 2 i'd say the Scudi, just feels more planted and stable (espically during breaking) the Italia has a tendecy to get skittish (I bought the Italia though due to temptaion )

dude i hope you dont drive with the button? please no...

 

[dark_ruffo]

It's OK, I see your point and I do agree with it. Enzo is faster overall, but needs to be tamed first.

 

[hossdeluxe]

A scuderia. its not as fast (straight line speed) or powerful as a Enzo, but costs less, and is apparently faster than a Enzo, especially on more complex tracks, including the Nurburgring.

no no no. the enzo will kill a tuned 430 scuderia round the nurburgring. my best in my fully tuned f430 scuderia is 6:43 in the enzo, 6:23 stock. now i have my enzo fully tunes, sub 6:10 easy.

 

[dark_ruffo]

6:23 on stock tyres too?

 

[hossdeluxe]

It's OK, I see your point and I do agree with it. Enzo is faster overall, but needs to be tamed first.

It took me about 5 laps around the nurburgring to get use to it another about 10 laps to get use to driving it on its limit. my Enzo now has 914 HP and has every upgrade. the spoiler you get can be useful if you use cockpit when driving because the spoiler that is stock is annoying if you look behind you with it up so the AM spoiler you can buy in the GT Auto is 50 000 and looks so epic. i love my Enzo. only my Peugeot LMP2 race car and Audi R10 LMP race car can beat my enzo around the nurburgring nordschleife (Northloop). oh and my FGT too. buts in its own class. it takes only like 4:50 to go round nurburgring.

 

[hossdeluxe]

6:23 on stock tyres too?

Yes, but stock in the enzo is racing:hard tires.

 

[dark_ruffo]

I like stock cars. 900+ hp + big wing Enzo is a no, no for my tastes.

 

[dark_ruffo]

Yes, but stock in the enzo is racing:hard tires.

???

It's a road car. Racing slicks aren't what you call street legal.

 

[hossdeluxe]

I like stock cars. 900+ hp + big wing Enzo is a no, no for my tastes.

i can see that ya. but if i can make my car go faster im all ears.

 

[hossdeluxe]

???

It's a road car. Racing slicks aren't what you call street legal.

its the same amount of grip on the tires that ferrari put on the enzo thats all. does it madder anyway? racing softs are the way to go...

 

[dark_ruffo]

its the same amount of grip on the tires that ferrari put on the enzo thats all. does it madder anyway? racing softs are the way to go...

I like the skidding sport tyres provide. You and me have different aproaches of having fun with the game Putting the pedal to the metal in every corner is not fun for me, I like throttle control, steering corrections, and a big etc.

 

[hossdeluxe]

I like the skidding sport tyres provide. You and me have different aproaches of having fun with the game Putting the pedal to the metal in every corner is not fun for me, I like throttle control, steering corrections, and a big etc.

i like racing...nuff said

 

[Manuelos]

I would chose the 458. I've been doing this combo alot the last few days with the Enzo & the 458 (haven't tried the 430 scuderia). The Enzo is a pure beast, very very very hard to handle, best lap so far is +/-07.20. With the 458 my best lap is 7.17, easier to control than the Enzo, the looks, the sound, a pure joy to drive
I'm driving the cars fully stock btw.

 

[hossdeluxe]

I would chose the 458. I've been doing this combo alot the last few days with the Enzo & the 458 (haven't tried the 430 scuderia). The Enzo is a pure beast, very very very hard to handle, best lap so far is +/-07.20. With the 458 my best lap is 7.17, easier to control than the Enzo, the looks, the sound, a pure joy to drive
I'm driving the cars fully stock btw.

i kinda get why you would drive a car that you really want in real life stock but not keep there... The stock Enzo's limit is about 6:20 (I did 6:23). my fastest on the fully tuned F430 Scuderia was 6:53 (its limit is maybe 6:45). im almost full a minute faster than you. know grated some of that is the driver (thank you, thank you) but most is the Enzo. it worth the million to me that all i care about...