Evolution proved by advances in technology - think about it

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Evolution is not proven, but it is the theory most likely to be closer to the mechanisms of life. It is the only game in town - truth be told, the only contender - intelligent design - in the wake of any evidence or indications, is currently a pseudo-science.

Now, there is alot of evidence that gives evolution a strong basis. Geological data and fossils and the discovery of the DNA, the relationship and common origin of all life.

Here I want to introduce an indication that supports evolution some more - this time through analogy.

If you think about it, it's amazing the level of technology we have, given that it was made with bare hands. True, machines brought, and keep bringing, unmatched to manual labor presicion and minimal tolerances. But who made these machines? It was humans hands.

The thinest layer of a Pentium chip is 20 atoms across. A cascade of increasingly more complex and capable machines and progressively harnessing more powerful energy sources - pneumatic, thermodynamic and now electric - achieved this. It all started in the smith's workplace though, where he forged copper with his bare hands some thousands years ago. A mind grown to deceive more effectively (cope with it ad infinity - positive feedback), magnified the effects.

Everything - literally everything - that man has achieved with technology is a mirror of biological evolution. Rising orders of magnitude after the industrial and informational evolutions. Standardization is reproduction, accidents that led to brilliant inventions (eureka!) are mutations, inventions are adaptations (more educated societies brought the most inventions).

Man will match and surpass biological "intelligence". And all that through his hands and mind, originally evolved through social pressures, through thin air.

We could say that as the planets orbit the sun, emulating the atom structure with electrons orbiting the nucleus, similarly evolution is acting now the "body" of the evironment, as opposed to the biological body, through "rebelling" minds that naturally produce science and art - given that survival is almost warranted (society, healthcare). The "long arm of the gene" as Dawkins calls the concept.

Evolution is far from complete. What is consiousness and how it evolved? What is the substance that "feels" inside my brain? Even more, does life without brains feel or is it just biological machines?

However I believe with my analogy with the evolution of technology, that ultimately comes from evolution of intellect fueled by social competition, I put another little stone in evolution's pyramid.

Ok the tittle is a little off. This doesn't prove evolution but I argue this hypothesis has many chances of being true - which I am not qualified to test. Don't forget that the one part of this analogy - technological evolution - is proven.

Have your say.
 
You don't need to start your post saying that evolution is not "proven". Nothing in science will ever be "proven", but to the extent that it can be, evolution is. This would be like starting a post on gravity and saying "gravitational attraction isn't proven, but is most likely... ".

Evolution is a product of the law of natural selection. What you are referring to is unnatural or artificial selection - which can result in an artificial evolution. Any kind of "selection", no matter what the selection criteria will result in some sort of evolution. It is a logical consequence of any selection.

Stephen Hawking has theorized that there were an infinite number of universes created at the big bang with an infinite number of laws of physics. Many of those universes would have died out in the blink of an eye due to unstable laws. In a sense, our universe's laws of physics could be seen as the product of selection. Our ability to survive this universe is also a selection mechanism.

Perhaps one could say that evolution played a part in every aspect of reality.
 
^Brilliant possibility. Thanks for sharing.

As for comparing evolution and gravitational law is not fair for evolution because it is much more difficult to measure and compare. So in a sense in a "proof scale" gravitational law is ahead.

Evolution towards mass mortality . . . or immortal consciousness?

Mass mortality of current humas. Post-humans are on their way. Next? Who knows!
 
As for comparing evolution and gravitational law is not fair for evolution because it is much more difficult to measure and compare. So in a sense in a "proof scale" gravitational law is ahead.

I think if anything we understand evolution better than gravity.
 
I think if anything we understand evolution better than gravity.

I understand better the Tolkien world than quantum mechanics. Does that prove Tolkien's world exists? What I say is that there is no opposition to gravity, no dispute for its existence. Evolution still is not held as a fact by all scientists, be it because it can't be measured or be subjected to experiment, be it because of ethical and religious/dogmatic issues.
 
I understand better the Tolkien world than quantum mechanics. Does that prove Tolkien's world exists? What I say is that there is no opposition to gravity, no dispute for its existence. Evolution still is not held as a fact by all scientists, be it because it can't be measured or be subjected to experiment, be it because of ethical and religious/dogmatic issues.

Gravity is not held as a fact by all scientists either. Gravity is a theory, just like evolution. But as far as theories go, these two are not disputed on scientific grounds.

We understand the underlying mechanisms and results of natural selection and evolution. We understand the results of gravity (at certain scales) but we don't understand the underlying mechanisms.
 
^Ok. Although I'm startled that not all accept gravity (I assume you mean the causes and not the occurence e.g. what the flatearthers say)

Would you say that the heavier elements produced by the supernovae can be considered as cosmic evolution? It's a fascinating idea.
 
But Einstein's general theory of relativity has never failed.

It has failed repeatedly at small (<1 mm) distances. String theory proposes the exotic solutions of other dimension, 10 or so, to which gravity leaks, effectively making it such a weak force.
 
Einsteins' theory of relativity failed because it was not perfect. But no view of reality is or ever will be perfect, because it is just an interpretation. We make laws and theorys to try to understand our view of reality.
 
If we are talking about evolution then one possible theory is the Ancient Astronaut Theory.

This implies that thousands of years ago Ancient Aliens(Gods to the people back in those days)Came down from the stars and helped man to develop.

If you are curious as to what this is then look up Ancient Astronaut Theory or check out Ancient Aliens on the History channel.It will open your eyes and make you think "well that could have happened".
 
Electrons don't orbit the nucleus, certainly not in a way emulated by planets orbiting suns. If they did they'd radiate away their energy and spiral into the nucleus.
 
^Yes, as has been demonstrated by quantum mechanics and the "probabilistic" position of an electron.

However, the planets sure resemble an electron in how they are close to a sphere. The electron is a perfect sphere.

"During the experiments, the researchers found that the deviation from the ideal spherical shape in the electron, if we increase its size to the size of the solar system, is less than the thickness of hair."

http://scienceray.com/physics/electron-acknowledged-the-perfect-sphere/
 
I thought you were talking abut planets orbiting the sun, not the shape of planets.

Besides, ever taken a good look at Saturn? Hardly a sphere, with a polar radius only 90% of the equatorial radius.
 
My point is that microscopic and macroscopic events share similarities in structure. To link this with how technological evolution (meme evolution?) mimics biological evolution - that maybe is an outcome of evolution "written" (see post #3 ) in the laws of physics.
 
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