Fanatec 911 GT2 & H-pattern GT5 issues.

[vr6wantsr20det]

I tried searching but couldn't find anything, if there is a related post Mods feel free to delete this one (and direct me to the one already posted).

I just received my Fanatec 911 GT2 beginning of December, and got the Clubsport V2 pedals and Porche Wheel Shifter set. The wheel and Pedals are AMAZING and have great build quality and feel. The shifter is not up to par compared to the wheel/pedals (will look into the CSR shifter when i have extra funds, seems to be built better and feel better).

My real question is for those who have the same set-up and play GT5, do you have problems with the Shift/Neutral lock getting into gears? This seems to be a problem for me whether i am Up-shifting or Down-shifting, ESPECIALLY if i am doing a Heal-Toe Down-shift. I just can't seem to get consistent Up/Down shifts and it really affects my driving, lap times and overall control and balance of the car.

I am coming from a Logitech G25 which i had no problems driving/shifting with. I know with Up-shifting you really have to be off the throttle fully because of the Neutral/shift stop and i pay close attention with the Fanatec to be sure I am 100% off the throttle.

So is anyone else having this problem? I feel it may just be a wheel support issue with the PS3/GT5. I have Zero problems while playing Forza Motorsport 4.

Thanks for any input/info. 👍

{edit} I did hook the Clubsport V2 pedals up to my laptop and all the pedals/potentiometers seem to be working properly.

 

[mrbasher]

First off, don't purchase the CSR shifter set. The only difference is that it has a metal knob. You're looking at another $75 after shipping, for basically what you've got right now. The insides of the shifters are identical. Either wait for Fanatec to release their CSS (ClubSport Shifter) or purchase something else.

As for the issues you are seeing with mis-shifts. I don't believe these are related to the wheel or pedals. In my experience, you need to make sure the clutch is fully depressed on your downshift as well. I suppose you might have an issue with the pedals. Try connecting the wheel to a PC if you have one and check the clutch pedal axis on the properties page.

 

[vr6wantsr20det]

hmm, i will try that tonight after work. I did play around with the Clutch Catch point to see how it felt in GT5 and i did seem to be able to modulate the clutch with the Clubsport pedals a little better than with the G25 pedals as far as the "catch point" and being able to ride the clutch, instead of it being an on/off switch.

I will also try to focus more on my clutch work to see if it is in fact more user error than hardware related problems. Never was an issue with the G25, so i attributed it to the newer hardware.

Last night a friend and G27/GT5 owner was trying out my Fanatec set-up for the first time and he was having the same issues during his 3 laps of the Nurburgring.

 

[JJSCHMITTY2000]

Yeah, happens to me too on my G27. That's probably driver error, though (in my case).

 

[hennessey86]

It doesn't help that gt5s clutch system is terrible

 

[vr6wantsr20det]

Yeah, happens to me too on my G27. That's probably driver error, though (in my case).

I would say when i was playing with my G25 that it happened maybe 5% of my time shifting.

It seems with this Fanatec set-up it's happening about 60% of the time. I am constantly having to go back to neutral, clutch in and re-try selecting gears. This is a fairly new set-up and i played a lot more FM4 than GT5 since it arrived. Might just have to invest more time on the PS3.

I was just curious if others had a similar experience as my friend and I who have tried this set-up are Veteran GT players and haven't had this kind of trouble before with the G25/G27.

My next venture is to re-install Live for Speed and see how well this set-up can work with that. 👍

 

[JogoAsobi]

I have owned GT2, GT3 RSV.2, and CSR Fanatec wheels. I have also had both Porsche and CSR shifters.
I have used all three of the wheels with both types of Fanatec shifters, and the Thrustmaster TH8RS.

The pedals I use are CSP V.1 and V.2.
Although V.1, & V.2 have mechanical differences, the main board appears to be identical.

CSR VS Porsche Shifters:
Mrbasher is correct, Porsche and CSR shifters are exactly the same except that the exterior of the CSR shifter cases are shiny black, and CSR shifters sport a hollow metal shaft that is topped with a metal ball.
The CSR shifters are heavier than the Porsche shifters because of the metal hollow shaft and knob.

* The CSR shifters are bundled with an extra PS/2 to RJ style cable to connect to the CSR E/CSW wheels.
* The Porsche shifters are bundled with only a PS/2 male to male cable.
* Fanatec's site states they are not CSW/CSR E compatible.

Anyone tried Porsche shifters with CSW/CSR E and a PS/2 to RJ cable?

On shifters:

Fanatec CSR & Porsche Shifter Exterior Comparison:

CSR H-shifter Internal Mechanism

G27 H-shifter Internal Mechanism (from the Best Wheel thread)

On shifters:

Inside a G27 shifter: (best I could do short notice, not my photo)

TH8RS shifter Internal Mechanism (from TH8RS thread).

GT5 H-shifters & Clutch:
I found use of the clutch in GT5 and H-shifter to be very difficult with both the Fanatec H-shifters and stock Thrustmaster TH8RS H-shifter with SFA1.

Very easy to miss a shift and get bounced back into neutral...
...but that was largely fixed by remapping the gates using the TH8RS utility...
...the Fanatec shifter has no software equivalent to that.

The CSP V.2s that you have should give you a slight edge though, because they provide tactile feedback when they bottom out at end of the clutch stroke.

Lots of information about the clutch in GT5 here at GTP in the GT5 section, you are not alone.
See Clutch doesn't feel much different and Fix the clutch!! threads for more ref.
* Make sure you have re-calibrated your Fanatec shifters, and tried substituting the PS/2 cable.

Fanatec GT2/GT3/CSR Wheels, & H-shifters in other games:
I did not have the same problems shifting in other games on PS3 like Hovercraft 1, and 2, Shift 1, and NFS S2U, and Dirt 2 using either the Fanatec Shifter or the stock TH8RS shifter.

Also no problems when shifting in PC games like Game Stock Car, GTL, NFS S2U etc with same shifters.

The solution that worked for me in GT5:
Changing my TH8RS shifter plate to a short shift version and knob to one that sits lower, and then re-mapping the TH8RS shift gate zones finally made GT5 very fun with clutch. 👍 👍

EDIT: Recommend you change the thread title with advanced editor to something like Fanatec GT2 & H-shifter issues in GT5 for clarification.

 

[Ripster]

I have the CSR Wheel and also the GT3 RS v2 mounted on two seperate seats along with the CSR and CSR Elite pedals. I also have the CSR shifters and you are right. Shifting in GT5 is an issue, I never missed a shift in Forza but the odd time I will miss one in GT5 and then I really struggle to get it back in gear. I have only ever driven a standard in my decades of driving and there have been many so I don't think it is user error.

What help me was I re-calibrated my H-shifter and it made a difference but the issue is still there. I truly believe it is how GT5 has implemented the functionality of the clutch, as we have both noted it does not happen in Forza.

 

[JogoAsobi]

I truly believe it is how GT5 has implemented the functionality of the clutch, as we have both noted it does not happen in Forza.

Maybe so, but with a TH8RS, an SFA1, TH8RS software util adjustment, and a couple of minor mods, GT5 is now playable with a clutch using my Fanatec wheels.

Works good enough I got Silver with no aids except ABS 1 using H-shifter on current GT5 New Years TT after just a few runs. I am sure I can shave another 13 seconds to gold with a bit more practice.

Not alien stuff, but there is no way I could do it with a Fanatec shifter.
Fanatec currently offers no competing shifter (although CSS is slated for future release).
That's one of the reasons I no longer use Fanatec shifters.

Have you tried the TT Ripster?
Cannot tell because you have no PSN visible for your profile at the time of this posting.

 

[Ripster]

Maybe so, but with a TH8RS, an SFA1, software adjustment, and a couple of minor mods, GT5 is now playable with a clutch using my Fanatec wheels.

Works good enough I got Silver with no aids except ABS 1 using clutch & H-shifter on current GT5 New Years TT after just a few runs. I am sure I can shave another 13 seconds to gold with a bit more practice.

Not alien stuff, but there is no way I could do it with a Fanatec shifter.
Fanatec currently offers no competing shifter (although CSS is slated for future release).
That's one of the reasons I no longer use Fanatec shifters.

Have you tried the TT Ripster?
Cannot tell because you have no PSN visible for your profile at the time of this posting.

No... I am a convert from Forza and just started playing GT5 recently. Married, work and life get in my way of sim racing. It really is just a hobby for me, but it is one I am enjoying. I have almost finished all the A Spec stuff less the endurance races... not sure I will ever have time to do them. I have no interest in the B Spec.

I have completed some of the Seasonal Events but will continue them when I have finished the A Spec stuff. Did some of the license stuff but it didn't appeal to me.

I think they got it all wrong... starting at the back of the pack and trying to finish first. F1 got it right by just trying to gain a few places.

I race amongst a few friends, I have tried a few on-line races but it was less than enjoyable most of the time with mis-matched vehicles and aggressive driving to the extreme. Ideally I would like to see something with no assists, with all the same cars.

I know that with Forza they made it easier to race with a controller than the wheel... I am wondering if the same is true for GT5. If so then I would like to do some on-line racing with wheel users only. I would be interesting.

 

[JogoAsobi]

I know that with Forza they made it easier to race with a controller than the wheel... I am wondering if the same is true for GT5. If so then I would like to do some on-line racing with wheel users only. I would be interesting.

With the most recent updates including 2.0.9, GT5 seems to be more difficult for controllers now, at least from what I read concerning the seasonal events posts lately. ...and its pretty challenging using a wheel if you run no aids/no abs.

There is a great site called mygranturismo that provides filters for the seasonal TT events' rankings.

What is really striking is that an event with lets say around 40,000 participants, maybe only 250 to 400 are actually using wheels with no aids turned on.

And to get back on topic, a very small subset of those run gated shifters with clutch.

 

[vr6wantsr20det]

Last night i went home and spent some more time with GT5. I noticed that if i was a bit more cautious with my clutch work, i was able to get into and through the gears fairly consistently. I can't Fly through the gears like i can in my Real Life car or in Forza 4, but i was getting around the track in decent times. I'm in no way an expert but i do like to think i have a good grasp of driving concepts, car physics and overall car control. I will be getting an adapter to use my G25 shifter on my Fanatec wheel, so that should at least improve shifter feel.

I also agree about the Wheel vs. controller users. It would be nice if the online races had a filter for Wheel and No assists users to be able to play together. At times during the seasonal events and time trials I am more than a few seconds off the leader, I am also not even close to being the best out there.

 

[Ripster]

With the most recent updates including 2.0.9, GT5 seems to be more difficult for controllers now, at least from what I read concerning the seasonal events posts lately. ...and its pretty challenging using a wheel if you run no aids/no abs.

There is a great site called mygranturismo that provides filters for the seasonal TT events' rankings.

What is really striking is that an event with lets say around 40,000 participants, maybe only 250 to 400 are actually using wheels with no aids turned on.

And to get back on topic, a very small subset of those run gated shifters with clutch.

I guess I would be in that small subset... being a bit of a masochist I turn everything off and run with gated shifters when appropriate. I don't understand people who want the most realistic sim and then play it like an arcade racer. For me it is about close racing as opposed to winning. When we play online we try to handicap by friction rather than hp. It made no sense to us to have someone pull away on the straights. The fighting now is done in the corners that way it should be, with the cars setup up with ample opportunity for all of us to lose control.

 

[BLACK86]

well i just got my fl2 adapter i can now hook my old g25 shifter to my pwts, guess what, the only time ive miss shifted is when i do super quick gear changes but i put that down to learning the g25 gates again. i dont get scared of shifting anymore like i used to when using the fanatec.

so in my experience is was the shifter and not the game.

 

[JogoAsobi]

I guess I would be in that small subset... being a bit of a masochist I turn everything off and run with gated shifters when appropriate. I don't understand people who want the most realistic sim and then play it like an arcade racer...

I guess you would be referring to Forza based on your previous comments?
If you are doing that in GT5 with your Fanatec H-shifter, thats pretty damn good.

 

[JogoAsobi]

well i just got my fl2 adapter i can now hook my old g25 shifter to my pwts, guess what, the only time ive miss shifted is when i do super quick gear changes but i put that down to learning the g25 gates again. i dont get scared of shifting anymore like i used to when using the fanatec.

Nice to hear the FL2 works so well with your wheel, and G25 shifter, I have been very satisfied with my SFA1 and TH8RS too.

ience is was the shifter and not the game.

That's pretty much what I found with the TH8RS, almost purrfect now with a short shift plate and lower knob.

We couldn't be doing this without BasherBoards!

 

[Ripster]

I guess you would be referring to Forza based on your previous comments?

Nope I am referring to both GT5 and Forza it is not the game but the people who play them. I would love for GT5 to really make you earn your vehicles and maintain them. And when you damage one past 40% it gets written off and you lose them.

GT5 tries but you make money too easy and the damage is not nearly as much as it should be. Don't get me wrong I find both games to be about collecting cars and we are honest with each other I am sure the majority of us only drive a handful of them.

If you are doing that in GT5 with your Fanatec H-shifter, thats pretty damn good.

I'm not sure how good that is, it just means I am driving within the limits of my ability trying hard to keep the car as stable as possible doing so. I will used the H-shifter on cars that have them and the paddles in those that don't.

Don't get me wrong in GT5 I will miss a shift for whatever reason and then spend the next 5 plus seconds trying to get it back into gear while my opponents disappear in front of me. Something that never happened to me in Forza.

 

[JogoAsobi]

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