Ferrari F8 Gr.3

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Ferrari Gr.3

The F8 Tributo has been confirmed for GT7, and this is a great addition to the car roster for the game, the car itself being a fairly new mark on the Ferrari assembly line.

Interestingly It seems that Ferrari have no plans to go racing with the F8, I remember reading something of the like, that this was due to the regulation changes made to the GT3 class after the F8 debuted. However I could only find this article covered by motorsport.com last year which briefly confirms.

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/ferrari-f8-tributo-gte-488/4557301/

There is also hints that Ferrari’s new twin turbo hybrid 296 GTB will be the new base for a GT3 race car. It seems that Ferrari has partnered with Oreca to develop and assist provide service to customers for their new GT3 car. Here is a link to the articles explaining this topic.

https://sportscar365.com/industry/ferrari-planning-to-use-296-as-next-gt3-model/

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/competizioni-gt/articles/ferrari-and-oreca-team-up-for-new-gt3

*Off topic from the thread title, we know that Oreca is one of the 4 chassis providers approved for the new SRO LMDH class. The other 3 being Dallara, Multimatic and Legier. Acura and Alpine have also been confirmed to partner with Oreca to develop their LMDH entries. LMDH fully comes into effect next year.
It has also been documented that Ferrari does have plans to participate in LMDH, so this partnership with Oreca to develop the GT3 car may just be the genesis. It could mean that the 296’s DNA may be visible within their new LMDH, we can only speculate.*

Back on topic, so the F8 wont race unfortunately, but what if PD intervene here?

If the 488 road and race cars end up being a void in the GT series indefinitely, do you think it’s a good reason for PD then to model their own fantasy racing version of the F8 for GT7, indeed a F8 Gr.3 version?:mischievous:

Or would it be a good idea for PD to design one regardless of present or absent previous models? If Gr.3's such as the Mustang or Alfa 4c are anything to go by, I'd think PD would do a great job of it, especially since there won’t be a real life counterpart to compare it to. (E.g NSX and C7 Gr.3 kind of fall short aesthetically to the official GT3 versions IMO) It would give GT7 a cool exclusive if nothing else.

Is that something any would like to see in GT7 or in future? I suppose the real question is, would Ferrari allow it?:grumpy:

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A lovely render by Instagram users @imm23design and @ hakosan_design. Also a nice teaser to what could be:D
 
The thing is though, Ferrari are obsessively over-protective of their brand image (even going as far as suing people left and right for all the wrong reasons with what they're doing to their cars, the most extreme of which being deadmau5 with his "Purrari" project car, which was a 458 Spider using a Nyan Cat livery with changed up badges).

I highly doubt they'll give Polyphony the blessing to create fictional racing versions of their cars beyond the 458 Italia Gr. 4, which seems to have a very basic design, even for a Gr. 4 race car.
 
GBalao888
The thing is though, Ferrari are obsessively over-protective of their brand image (even going as far as suing people left and right for all the wrong reasons with what they're doing to their cars, the most extreme of which being deadmau5 with his "Purrari" project car, which was a 458 Spider using a Nyan Cat livery with changed up badges).

I highly doubt they'll give Polyphony the blessing to create fictional racing versions of their cars beyond the 458 Italia Gr. 4, which seems to have a very basic design, even for a Gr. 4 race car.
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This is the looming cloud over Ferrari that plagues everybody, I remember reading about the "Purrari" project. I hear a lot stories it seems that dealing with Ferrari in any way can be like tip toeing on egg shells, I can Imagine PD may feel like the less they deal with Ferrari the harder it is to offend them.
 
All of this is why it’s un-friggin’-believable on how much of an atrocity the GR.3 458 is in GTS.

That is….unless….Ferrari requested it be an “experts only” car. Which doesn’t make sense because the Gr.4 car is a gem

Fir those in the know, why doesn’t Gran Turismo have the 488?
 
Yard_Sale
All of this is why it’s un-friggin’-believable on how much of an atrocity the GR.3 458 is in GTS.

That is….unless….Ferrari requested it be an “experts only” car. Which doesn’t make sense because the Gr.4 car is a gem

Fir those in the know, why doesn’t Gran Turismo have the 488?
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It's definitely a licensing issue, to what regards I don't know. It could be as simple as a monetary agreement. I mean at least we know that is in large, part of the issue why there is no Glickenhaus cars confirmed for GT.
 
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My feeling is that the confirmation of the F8 Tributo/F12berlinetta could be a sign that the 488 GTE/GT3 could also be coming, as part of update to the Ferrari roster.
 
tankuroded
My feeling is that the confirmation of the F8 Tributo/F12berlinetta could be a sign that the 488 GTE/GT3 could also be coming, as part of update to the Ferrari roster.
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You would hope so, both the road and race versions of the 488 should really be added, it'd be odd to just completely skip over the 488 even if it is now "old". I can't imagine there is any reason Ferrari wouldn't want it in the lineup, but for some reason they/PD preferred to focus on the classics with GTS updates.
 
I could specifically see the IMSA-spec 488 GTE being added, as we already can see that the Ford GT LM that it raced against is confirmed. As for the actual road-going 488, I'm unsure if I want the base 488, or the Pista instead. We had both the "base" and "advanced" versions of the F430 in the PS3 era, and as much as I hope they both return, I'm not sure if it'd be necessary to have both models for subsequent models like the 458 and 488 - and the F8, if/when they release the "advanced" version of that.

For example, do we really need the 458 Speciale alongside the "base" 458? I'd much rather have just one version for each model, and have PD take the time they'd spend on implementing a second version and add an entirely different car, as there's plenty that could be added as far as road-going Ferrari models go.

Personally, if there's a draft of the Ferrari lineup for GT7 that includes both versions of the 458 and 488, I'd replace the 458 Speciale and 488 Pista with any number of alternative Ferrari models from the 21st century, such as the Sergio, J50, SF90 Stradale, or the older 360. Heck, I'd be down for the new Daytona SP3, too.
 
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I dare to predict that there will never be a fantasy Ferrari car in Gran Turismo, so I would advise you to forget about an F8 GT3.

As for additions in the mid-engine line of Ferraris, I think the 488 and F8 can be seen as evolutions of the original 458, the F8 actually sharing a lot with the 488 Pista. So, by adding the F8, GT will have 2 iterations of that line, the 296GTB representing the next all new model. It's always nice to have a complete line of cars (like they seem to be doing with the Porsche 911's), so maybe they will bring back the F430 (and maybe the 348, 355 or 360 at some point)?

It would also be nice to have the 488 GT3 or GTE in GT7. After a bit of thinking, I would lean towards the GTE, because the Ford GT and Porsche RSR would complete the GTE field nicely.
 
snowgt
I dare to predict that there will never be a fantasy Ferrari car in Gran Turismo, so I would advise you to forget about an F8 GT3.
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They did make the 458 Gr.4 out of necessity though, as a nerfed 458 with GT Auto kit.

That being said, what would they do with Ferrari's Gr.4 car if they also updated the Gr.4 cars? Their current one-make racers are too powerful (basically unrestricted versions of their GT3/GTE cars) and at that point the only available option (as Ferrari does not currently dabble in GT4 class) is either to nerf the 488/F8 for that purpose and give'em basic racing aero again, or use the F355 Challenge car.
 
tankuroded
They did make the 458 Gr.4 out of necessity though, as a nerfed 458 with GT Auto kit.

That being said, what would they do with Ferrari's Gr.4 car if they also updated the Gr.4 cars? Their current one-make racers are too powerful (basically unrestricted versions of their GT3/GTE cars) and at that point the only available option (as Ferrari does not currently dabble in GT4 class) is either to nerf the 488/F8 for that purpose and give'em basic racing aero again, or use the F355 Challenge car.
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Hmm, ok, I actually forgot about the Gr.4 version. Looking at it in GTS though, they didn't actually change much from the road car except giving it a splitter, a rear wing, a roll hoop and a hood with racing pins. That's more like what I would expect to be possible in terms of tuning in GT7.
 
MIE1992
I could specifically see the IMSA-spec 488 GTE being added, as we already can see that the Ford GT LM that it raced against is confirmed. As for the actual road-going 488, I'm unsure if I want the base 488, or the Pista instead. We had both the "base" and "advanced" versions of the F430 in the PS3 era, and as much as I hope they both return, I'm not sure if it'd be necessary to have both models for subsequent models like the 458 and 488 - and the F8, if/when they release the "advanced" version of that.

For example, do we really need the 458 Speciale alongside the "base" 458? I'd much rather have just one version for each model, and have PD take the time they'd spend on implementing a second version and add an entirely different car, as there's plenty that could be added as far as road-going Ferrari models go.

Personally, if there's a draft of the Ferrari lineup for GT7 that includes both versions of the 458 and 488, I'd replace the 458 Speciale and 488 Pista with any number of alternative Ferrari models from the 21st century, such as the Sergio, J50, SF90 Stradale, or the older 360. Heck, I'd be down for the new Daytona SP3, too.
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The implementation of the second version, should be a lot easier though, as both versions have similar interior and exterior features.
If I had to choose, I'd go for the hardcore versions of all of them. They are simply better than the base models. The 360 CS sounds glorious, the Scuderia looks much better/more aggressive, the Speciale is GOAT and the very last NA V8 and the Pista is just damn gorgeous. Plus, they are the rarest and most valuable.

It's not "necessary" to have both, but I personally do enjoy comparing the evolution. The same goes for the GT-R and GT-R Nismo, Aventador and Aventador SV, and so on. In the end, the more we get, the better!

As for the F8 Gr.3, I think PD can just wait for the real race car to be unveiled. Meanwhile, they could get the 488 GTE. I don't think PD will spend much time on more Gr.4 cars, besides maybe a few real life GT4 cars. But, what they could do, is adding something like the F355 Challenge, to be in Gr.4.
 
I'd always prefer to promote newer models over older ones where it's possible, but more in particular to the competitive racing groups were brands battle it out officially. But I get it, PD will naturally just use what's available to them, however a 360 over the F355 would be a good choice for Gr.4. On the other hand, who says the Gr.4 entrant for Ferrari has to be a mid engine one. The Roma, Portofino M or if nothing else the older California are also very decent picks for a new Fr Gr.4 Ferrari.
 
We might just get this instead of 488 GT3/Evo or F8 Gr.3 . It is basically a one-off 488 GT3 with a different body that is slightly more aerodynamic and adheres to no racing regulations.
 
An F8 GT3 is much better idea than a ****** purrari.

I dont think Ferrari would be against this idea. It would be a great what if car.
 
05XR8
PD made a 1000hp Bugatti a Gr.4 car. ANYthing is fair play. ;)
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But that was because it was a scratch-made race car (with cockpit from the Bugatti VGT and active aero disabled), not an existing real race car. (inb4 Megane Trophy - that car has a power rating that's within the Gr.4 range, although the weight is an outlier)

snowgt
And didn't make a Gr.3 version of it. That's even more baffling to me. Without the Gr.3 version, what was the point of the Gr.4 car??
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They considered making one based on the Bugatti VGT:
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The problem is that Bugatti doesn't make any RWD vehicles (I would have suggested using the EB110 LM GT1 instead, but these are also somehow 4WD too), and the Bugatti VGT's trailer had Le Mans imagery on it, suggesting it was destined to fight prototype race cars (hence the Gr.1 version) from the very beginning.
 
tankuroded
But that was because it was a scratch-made race car (with cockpit from the Bugatti VGT and active aero disabled), not an existing real race car. (inb4 Megane Trophy - that car has a power rating that's within the Gr.4 range, although the weight is an outlier)


They considered making one based on the Bugatti VGT:
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The problem is that Bugatti doesn't make any RWD vehicles (I would have suggested using the EB110 LM GT1 instead, but these are also somehow 4WD too), and the Bugatti VGT's trailer had Le Mans imagery on it, suggesting it was destined to fight prototype race cars (hence the Gr.1 version) from the very beginning.
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There’s also the One Make Megane Trophy that’s more GT3 than GT4. The car could be made to fit Gr.4.
 
05XR8
What is what?
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Sorry I was unclear; in regards to:
05XR8
There’s also the One Make Megane Trophy that’s more GT3 than GT4. The car could be made to fit Gr.4.
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...were you referring to this or something else?
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Because if it's that car, I already addressed it:
tankuroded
(inb4 Megane Trophy - that car has a power rating that's within the Gr.4 range, although the weight is an outlier)
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tankuroded
Sorry I was unclear; in regards to:

...were you referring to this or something else?
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Because if it's that car, I already addressed it:
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Yes, I read the post you “inb4’d”. I know the 488 challenge is an unrestricted GT3. PD still do stuff regardless. In that vein, I’m saying it could fit in Gr.4. However illogical it may be to players. Updating the Ferrari Manu choices to the 488 works for both groups. We probably won’t see the 488 as a Gr.4 choice anyway.
 
05XR8
Yes, I read the post you “inb4’d”. I know the 488 challenge is an unrestricted GT3. PD still do stuff regardless. In that vein, I’m saying it could fit in Gr.4. However illogical it may be to players. Updating the Ferrari Manu choices to the 488 works for both groups. We probably won’t see the 488 as a Gr.4 choice anyway.
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There's a support series for the International GT Open called the GT Cup Open Europe where cars like the Huracan Super Trofeo and 911 Cup competed with GT4 cars in the same class, and it seemed reasonable balanced.

Also the 488 Challenge is quite inferior to the GT3 car. It might have more power but it weighs more and has far less powerful aerodynamics, so its lap times would most likely be in-between a GT3 and GT4 car, like the Megane Trophy. From there it's really just a matter of adjusting the power until it falls in line with the other GT4 cars.
 
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There's a support series for the International GT Open called the GT Cup Open Europe where cars like the Huracan Super Trofeo and 911 Cup competed with GT4 cars in the same class, and it seemed reasonable balanced.

Also the 488 Challenge is quite inferior to the GT3 car. It might have more power but it weighs more and has far less powerful aerodynamics, so its lap times would most likely be in-between a GT3 and GT4 car, like the Megane Trophy. From there it's really just a matter of adjusting the power until it falls in line with the other GT4 cars.
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For sure. It’s doable. I’m not saying it will happen, but it’s possible to tune cars to fit whatever class PD want to tune them. Some things they do authentically and sometimes they just do stuff. :lol:
 
tankuroded
The problem is that Bugatti doesn't make any RWD vehicles (I would have suggested using the EB110 LM GT1 instead, but these are also somehow 4WD too), and the Bugatti VGT's trailer had Le Mans imagery on it, suggesting it was destined to fight prototype race cars (hence the Gr.1 version) from the very beginning.
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That wouldn't have been a problem at all. There's quite a number of 4WD-only road cars that have been made into real life RWD GT3 cars (Bentley, and in principle also Audi & Lambo, although there's RWD road car versions of R8 and Huracan in the meantime), so it would easily have been possible to make the Veyron into a virtual Gr.3 car with RWD and acceptable weight. (Bentley made a 1200kg GT3 car out of a 2200kg behemoth road car)
 
The R35 GT3 is also another one. 4WD road car turned RWD for GT3. GT Sport NSX Gr.3 is, I believe, RWD too? But maybe Bugatti didn't want it, or PD didn't want the same exact car in multiple categories (in case of the VGT) and the fact that the Veyron doesn't get a new wing (the Gr.4 didn't).

As for the Bentley, it lost a lot of weight by the removal of pretty much everything, or being replaced by bare carbon fiber. The Bugatti could have a lot of the weight saved, but it would need a new, smaller, engine.
 
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The R35 GT3 is also another one. 4WD road car turned RWD for GT3. GT Sport NSX Gr.3 is, I believe, RWD too? But maybe Bugatti didn't want it, or PD didn't want the same exact car in multiple categories (in case of the VGT) and the fact that the Veyron doesn't get a new wing (the Gr.4 didn't).

As for the Bentley, it lost a lot of weight by the removal of pretty much everything, or being replaced by bare carbon fyber. The Bugatti could have a lot of the weight saved, but it would need a new, smaller, engine.
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The R8 LMS and Huracan GT3 also underwent the 4WD to RWD conversion - and both the NSX Gr.3/Gr.4 are RWD indeed.
 

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