Fiat 500 london

[lady ice]

Well, can anyone help me with this settings....??
I have began working with the ultimate setting for autuumn, but ui have problems with the gear ratio
(in autuum, my best was with the ultimate setup that i got(not me) for autuumn but with your gear ratios...)
i have done this:
default
FG 5000
max speed 124
1 2494
2 1712
3 1253
4 0968
5 0788
i ran my best in a very bad 1.01.6xx and some 1.01.8 amnd lots of 1.02
the good time is under the minute aroud low 59....
I really don´t know why i have done this kind of gear ratio, maybe thinking in yours for autuumn...but i dont understand why, you do, first default, after that you put FG up to 5000 then you dicided a max speed and you changed gear by gear...and after all, you made a good job with the FG again....
So i did my gear ratio thinking about your job....but of course my job is really a disaster....

 

[CyKosis1973]

I know…though I have no idea what is the 'theory' behind running higher = more grip apart from just trialing. And can you try something for me, set the gearbox's final drive to 2.750, top speed to 87, then final down to 2.000, adjust the gears so they just about work without killing you, then tell me how it feels compared to the one you've set up? Because CSLACR, I think it was him anyway, said something about the lower the final gear, the faster a car accelerates or something…And one thing, the 500 has some mid-corner understeer in its current settings, though why, I'm not sure.

Those settings won't work for London, OnBoy, it tops out far too soon. I'm willing to try other suggestions though.

Hi gentlemen, here i am, again.
I will open a new thread....for london, i have problems with something that you are really good....
The gear ratio....
I have ran again in autuumn and the best for me is a mixed settings, with your gear ratio.So for london i´m trying to work on gear ratios like you show me for autuumn
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6534780#post6534780 my thread for london...Thank you...

For the moment I've been using the same gearbox as Autumn Ring, but with a slightly lower Final Drive, try the following:

Default
FG - 5.000
Max - Speed - 87
1st - 2.898 (0%)
2nd - 2.249 (25%)
3rd - 1.785 (50%)
4th - 1.457 (75%)
5th - 1.226 (100%)
FG - 3.250

I've also been looking at some other builds for this car, and I think the front spring rate OnBoy and myself have been running is a little high. A lot of people are running the front springs at or around 7.0 - 9.0. With it set to 12.5 the car 'hops' over the curbs through the last few corners and often results hitting the barrier. I'll work on it a little more later today 👍

{Cy}

 

[Onboy123]

Those settings won't work for London, OnBoy, it tops out far too soon. I'm willing to try other suggestions though.

For the moment I've been using the same gearbox as Autumn Ring, but with a slightly lower Final Drive, try the following:

Default
FG - 5.000
Max - Speed - 87
1st - 2.898 (0%)
2nd - 2.249 (25%)
3rd - 1.785 (50%)
4th - 1.457 (75%)
5th - 1.226 (100%)
FG - 3.250

I've also been looking at some other builds for this car, and I think the front spring rate OnBoy and myself have been running is a little high. A lot of people are running the front springs at or around 7.0 - 9.0. With it set to 12.5 the car 'hops' over the curbs through the last few corners and often results hitting the barrier. I'll work on it a little more later today 👍

{Cy}

Well, as I've finally got the PS3 back on, I'll give the car a run through as well. 👍

Though I'm determined to stick with my previous gearbox settings style, so I've set the final at 2.960/2.000.

Going to try running it with softer spring rates too, I think 10+ is too high for a tiny FF on sport hard tyres…

 

[lady ice]

Oe oe oe oe.....thank you, this afternoon(european time zone) i will try your gear box ratios CyKosis1973 Onboy123 👍

 

[XDesperado67]

Those settings won't work for London, OnBoy, it tops out far too soon. I'm willing to try other suggestions though.



For the moment I've been using the same gearbox as Autumn Ring, but with a slightly lower Final Drive, try the following:

Default
FG - 5.000
Max - Speed - 87
1st - 2.898 (0%)
2nd - 2.249 (25%)
3rd - 1.785 (50%)
4th - 1.457 (75%)
5th - 1.226 (100%)
FG - 3.250

I've also been looking at some other builds for this car, and I think the front spring rate OnBoy and myself have been running is a little high. A lot of people are running the front springs at or around 7.0 - 9.0. With it set to 12.5 the car 'hops' over the curbs through the last few corners and often results hitting the barrier. I'll work on it a little more later today 👍

{Cy}

What do you have the dampers set to? 12.5 is only to high if you have a high damper #...

 

[Onboy123]

what do you have the dampers set to? 12.5 is only to high if you have a high damper #...

4/4
8/4

 

[XDesperado67]

4/4
8/4

Try ext. 4/2
Comp. 3/1

 

[krenkme]

Hey Onboy. Could I pull you away from you Fiat testing to put some times in for the shootout?
I'll give you a car

 

[Onboy123]

Hey Onboy. Could I pull you away from you Fiat testing to put some times in for the shootout?
I'll give you a car

I'm actually multitasking for once, I have GT5 on Cote D'azur with all the cars all lined up for testing, 2 GTPlanet tabs on, one for the test results and one for when I'm bored with testing and want to go browsing and I'll be submitting sometime soon. 👍

 

[krenkme]

I'm actually multitasking for once, I have GT5 on Cote D'azur with all the cars all lined up for testing, 2 GTPlanet tabs on, one for the test results and one for when I'm bored with testing and want to go browsing and I'll be submitting sometime soon. 👍

Great. And when I can get around to it I'll start helping you two again on the Fiat 👍 thanks

 

[CyKosis1973]

It might be a little too late for Ice Lady, but I'm going to declare this as much fun as I've had in a Fiat 500. I've just run it for 12 laps in a Private Lounge, with Tyre Wear and Real Grip on and put in consistent 1:00.3-1:00.6s. There's a bucket of useable oversteer on offer, let the rear slide, pull it back on course using the power. The only real issue is containing some of that wheel spin. If you manage your speed and line into corners, you pull out of them really hard with little or no wheel spin. Go in a bit hot and you're going to light them up on exit.

Credit is now due to a number of people, directly and indirectly. "This Forum" for the gearbox (as it is), CSLACR indirectly for the ride height, xDee for the dampers and OnBoy for doing the initial hard work.

This is where the car is currently at:

500 1.2 8V "Open Source" SS '08
INITIAL : 8
ACCEL : 16
BRAKE : 8
RH : 16 / -16
SR : 12.5 / 2.5
EXT : 4 / 2
COMP : 3 / 1
ARB : 1 / 7
CAMBER : 1.3 / 0.0
TOE : 0.15 / -0.45
Brakes : 4 / 7

Default
FG - 5.000
Max - Speed - 87
1st - 2.898 (0%)
2nd - 2.249 (25%)
3rd - 1.785 (50%)
4th - 1.457 (75%)
5th - 1.226 (100%)
FG - 3.250
Adjust FG to suit course. This FG is for London.

{Cy}

EDIT:

Gearbox added and tidied up...

 

[Onboy123]

It might be a little too late for Ice Lady, but I'm going to declare this as much fun as I've had in a Fiat 500. I've just run it for 12 laps in a Private Lounge, with Tyre Wear and Real Grip on and put in consistent 1:00.3-1:00.6s. There's a bucket of useable oversteer on offer, let the rear slide, pull it back on course using the power. The only real issue is containing some of that wheel spin. If you manage your speed and line into corners, you pull out of them really hard with little or no wheel spin. Go in a bit hot and you're going to light them up on exit.

Credit is now due to a number of people, directly and indirectly. "This Forum" for the gearbox (as it is), CSLACR indirectly for the ride height, xDee for the dampers and OnBoy for doing the initial hard work.

This is where the car is currently at:

INITIAL R : 8 <--- Cykosis
ACCEL R : 16 <--- Cykosis
BRAKE R : 8 <---- Cykosis

RH F : 16 <---- CSLACR's
RH R : -16 <---- CSLACR's

SR F : 12.5 <--- Mine
SR R : 2.5 <---- Mine

EXT F : 4 <----- Cykosis/ Despy
EXT R : 2 <-Cykosis/ Despy

COMP F : 3
COMP R : 1

ARB F : 1 <--- Mine
ARB R : 7 <--- Mine

CAMBER F : 1.3
CAMBER R : 0.0

TOE F : 0.15 <--- Mine (Did I not say + front toe was the way forward?! )
TOE R : -0.45 <--- Mine

Brakes F : 4 <--- Cykosis
Brakes R : 7 <--- Cykosis

{Cy}

Broken up the tune to show who did what. But I hope this thing will become something good in the end, we all had our fair share of hard work in it and I'm now starting to want it to show…

 

[XDesperado67]

Looks good. I might suggest some rear camber, say 0.7 - 0.9 area could possible help keep the tail where you want it so you don't have to pull it online quite as much. Just a thought and I'm not sure what all you've tried yet...

 

[Onboy123]

Looks good. I might suggest some rear camber, say 0.7 - 0.9 area could possible help keep the tail where you want it so you don't have to pull it online quite as much. Just a thought and I'm not sure what all you've tried yet...

I think it'll defeat the point though…I'm guessing it was set at that level because the previous 0.5 was causing some of the understeer…I don't know either though.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Broken up the tune to show who did what. But I hope this thing will become something good in the end, we all had our fair share of hard work in it and I'm now starting to want it to show…

It's a proper mash-up. There are elements of my 206 S16 in there, if I could have I would have applied some positive camber to the rear wheels.

Looks good. I might suggest some rear camber, say 0.7 - 0.9 area could possible help keep the tail where you want it so you don't have to pull it online quite as much. Just a thought and I'm not sure what all you've tried yet...

It will possibly require some on much smoother tracks, proper race tracks for instance, but around a lumpy, tight track like London, it pays to have the rear as loose as it is. Through that ridiculous left/right after the first hairpin, you can really throw the car about. Give the rear any more grip and I suspect you'll lose that ability.

Dampers are bob on for the last few corners, you can hit the curbs pretty hard now. Combined with the positive toe and room for the springs to work, it makes the car a pleasure to drive. Well done everyone and by everyone, I mean most of the established garages and individuals on these pages, I've been through most of them, looking for common themes. If you see something that looks similar to your own submission, then there's a chance it's been mashed into the above 👍

{Cy}

 

[Onboy123]

So this really is a GTPlanet Tuning Forum collaboration tune isn't it? All the bits from all the 500 tunes around pushed into this little barrel of joy. This 500 should really be given a GTPlanet badge and stickers with all the names of the GTP tuning garages.

 

[CyKosis1973]

So this really is a GTPlanet Tuning Forum collaboration tune isn't it? All the bits from all the 500 tunes around pushed into this little barrel of joy. This 500 should really be given a GTPlanet badge and stickers with all the names of the GTP tuning garages.

Indeed, an Open Source effort, you might say...

{Cy}

 

[lady ice]

hello again, my dear friends.I've ran a couple of hours trying different set ups, and different gear box...
actually i have this set up:
BS = 1
everything else off

Rear Aero 20
LSD- 15/40/20

Gearing
max 130 at the top you see 133
1st - 3.060
2nd - 2.270
3rd - 1.768
4th - 1.435
5th - 1.192
final 3.146

Ride Hight - Front: -8 Rear: -18
Spring Rate- Front: 11 Rear: 9
Extention- Front: 7 Rear: 5
Compression- Front: 5 Rear: 7
Anti-roll Bars- Front: 3 Rear: 4
Camber- Front: 1 Rear: 1
Toe Angle- Front: 0.30Rear:- 0.35
Brakes- Front: 8 Rear: 8
I ran my best in 1.00.8xx i know the leaders ran in 59, but well a 1.00 is really good for me.
Now i will try your great settings, obviouslly i think i will improve my time, because you are much better than me on setting....(and on driving....)
I will start just changing my gear box and putting yours....
After that i will try your brakes set up....

 

[CyKosis1973]

I could hit 1:00.3s with the Open Source car, even after 8 laps of hard driving, with tyre wear on. I'm sure with a bit of draft, you could run 0:59s with it. Drive 'efficiently' and I think you'll have some tyres left after 20+ laps 👍

Someone needs to try this car on Sport Soft tyres, I'm sure it's capable of 0:55s. And that's snapping on the heels of some of the Tonnes of Fun Event entries..!!

{Cy}

 

[lady ice]

I could hit 1:00.3s with the Open Source car, even after 8 laps of hard driving, with tyre wear on. I'm sure with a bit of draft, you could run 0:59s with it. Drive 'efficiently' and I think you'll have some tyres left after 20+ laps 👍

Someone needs to try this car on Sport Soft tyres, I'm sure it's capable of 0:55s. And that's snapping on the heels of some of the Tonnes of Fun Event entries..!!

{Cy}

i need drive efficiently, there is no pits on london track and the race is 38 laps...
I keep on working...thank you

 

[lady ice]

Thank you gentlemen, finally i ran with a mixed setup, using something from yours great settings a something from mine...
I got the 5th 👍, if we think the pole was in 59.4 and the winner ran the complete race in an amazing 38.33sec , the 5th is really great for me.Of course some of my rivals DNF , crashed one against the other or against the walls....
I know i must improve my laps on race, i´m much better in my simulations than in race...pressure...With experience i will be faster and able to repeat and repeat the same time lap after lap...
Thank you everybody...

 

[CyKosis1973]

Well done you 👍

I'm the other way round, I do better racing against people than I do against the clock. If you're running long races, it's better to hang back and apply pressure to the cars in front of you. Forcing someone into a mistake will be less costly than making a mistake yourself. My old race buddies used to hate it when all they could see in their mirrors was my bumper. Almost without fail, they'd eventually crack under the pressure and run wide or off the track, leaving me to take the win

{Cy}

 

[lady ice]

Well done you 👍

I'm the other way round, I do better racing against people than I do against the clock. If you're running long races, it's better to hang back and apply pressure to the cars in front of you. Forcing someone into a mistake will be less costly than making a mistake yourself. My old race buddies used to hate it when all they could see in their mirrors was my bumper. Almost without fail, they'd eventually crack under the pressure and run wide or off the track, leaving me to take the win

{Cy}

Sure cykosis, you are a master and i´m a rookie.
I was faster than the 4th, but i was not able to overtake him ...in one time lap 32 or 33 i got the overtake, but i got it crashing(just a little) his back at the end of the main straight , so i let him overtake me...I was afraid, even the crash was very very little, with the high damage rules...it could be the end for him and for me...luck and both still on race...
as you say , dear cykosis, is better to hang back and apply pressure to the cars in front of you, but he didn´t make a mistake, and london is a very hard track for the overtaking , harder if the driver who wants to make the overtake is a rookie, like me...
well thanks again....and next week i will run in cape ring ext...

 

[Onboy123]

Oh bloody hell, Cape Ring. Which version? We need to know or we'd set the gearbox wrong. Also, how does the car feel in the later parts of the race?