Flight TWA 800: Investigation Re-opens

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A bunch of nut job conspiracists found 'new evidence'? Shocking.

This event will drag on like the Kennedy assassination and the so called 'Moon landings'.
 
First paragraph of the linked story
Former investigators are convinced a missile brought down TWA Flight 800 just south of Long Island in 1996, and they have petitioned the government to reopen the probe, citing new evidence.
Did you even read the story you linked?
 
Apparently there is new evidence that the plane may have been struck by a missile or a meteorite. Interesting that they reopen this case...they almost never do that.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57590003/twa-flight-800-gets-another-look-17-years-later/


Theres many other sources as well...

I would hardly call a radar inference of a high velocity explosion 'evidence'. Sounds like some documentary makers decided to try and make a name for themselves by dredging up an old conspiracy theory long since discounted...

They are also not re-opening anything - the NTSB was petitioned to re-open it, which I would speculate is incredibly unlikely.
 
"A group of former NTSB investigators" sounds like a group of former NTSB investigators to me.

Yep, because former investigators would never want to make some money after their civil service career had ended.
 
Yep, because former investigators would never want to make some money after their civil service career had ended.

Wow.

- Speculating on what qualifies as evidence in a (hypothetical) NTSB investigation.

- Drawing conclusions about attention seeking documentarists, without having seen the documentary?

- Speculating about whether or not the investigation will be re-opened.

- Drawing conclusions about former NTSB investigators, branding them as liars for profit.

There's a lot of uncertainty in you statements.

As a matter of fact i see nothing but speculation on your behalf.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I know this isn't a trial, but come on...
 
The faulty wiring and subsequent stress fractures theory is a pretty good one.

I'd be surprised if there was anything else to it.
 
Wow.

- Speculating on what qualifies as evidence in a (hypothetical) NTSB investigation.

- Drawing conclusions about attention seeking documentarists, without having seen the documentary?

- Speculating about whether or not the investigation will be re-opened.

- Drawing conclusions about former NTSB investigators, branding them as liars for profit.

There's a lot of uncertainty in you statements.

As a matter of fact i see nothing but speculation on your behalf.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I know this isn't a trial, but come on...

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- Speculating on what qualifies as evidence in a (hypothetical) NTSB investigation.

- Drawing conclusions about attention seeking documentarists, without having seen the documentary?

- Speculating about whether or not the investigation will be re-opened.
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Vegard - Have you seen the new Flight 800 Documentary?

I'm certainly interested in seeing it if the Documentary happens to get shown on a cable channel that I receive.

However, if I may be so bold as to speculate myself:D

(avert your eyes as necessary):D

From what I've seen so far, I don't place much stock in regard to this new documentary.

I've seen an interview (on CNN) done with Hank Hughes, one of the former NTSB investigators, who is one of the six investigators pushing the new documentary.

And it was my impression that the Flight 800 documentary is essentially just pushing some old conspiracy theories.👎

Hank Hughes mentioned the following points as issues that the NTSB should address and research further:

1) Radar analysis (as Mike Rotch mentions above, this seems more like speculation rather than new evidence, but if there is something new, then by all means it should be looked at). The "evidence" that the radar shows debris being ejected from the aircraft is nothing unusual. The plane's fuel-tank exploded, broke the plane in half, and sent pieces of aluminum/plastic/luggage/etc. in all directions.

2) Eyewitness accounts (nothing new as far as I heard, this seems more like cherry-picking certain eyewitness accts to promote a specific theory) I also understand that some of the eyewitness accounts may have seen two objects in the sky, and may have mistaken one of them for a missile even though it was either the front half or the back-half of the plane after it broke in two.

3) Claims that evidence was tampered with (actually, Hank's claim is that he saw that some evidence was "disturbed", and so Hank is claiming that this evidence "disturbance" was done for nefarious purposes) (without more specifics as to what was "disturbed" I feel that this issue is just blowing smoke. Of course, some of the evidence was "disturbed" while the NTSB/FBI investigators were trying to put the plane back together. That's what they were trying to do, piece the plane back together. I've seen pictures of the finished result and there's thousands and thousands of small and large pieces, so I'm sure that some were re-arranged during the investigation).

4) Cover-up of evidence indicating external explosion (maybe the documentary explains this further, but from what I've seen/heard, there was no "cover-up" of any evidence indicating an external explosion since there was NO evidence indicating an external explosion or a missile strike. All of the evidence points towards an internal fuel-tank explosion. Both the FBI and the NTSB looked long and hard for any evidence of a missile stike on the plane's fuselage and they never found any indication of one.

5) the FBI initially said that there was a possibility of a terrorist act, but later changed their mind and said that there was no evidence of this (somehow, the new Documentary takes this as evidence of a cover-up. I saw another interview with James Kallstrom (the FBI agent in charge of the Flight 800 investigation), who said that initially, they very much worried that there was a possibility that a terrorist act was involved, and therefore they spent many hours investigating this very possibility. Eventually, they decided (the FBI and the NTSB) that there was no evidence whatsoever that the downing of the plane was due to a terrorist act. Therefore, of course the FBI changed their "tune" and stopped saying that there was a "possibility" of a terrorist act.

So basically, my "speculation":D is that this Flight 800 Documentary is just a re-hash of old conspiracy theories. We shall see.

Respectfully,
GTsail
 
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The documentary is planned to be aired on the 17th of July so I haven't seen it, no.

I'm not taking a stance here and saying I believe it was a terrorist bomb or a missile that hit.
I just know that the report was inconclusive and the real cause of the tragedy probably remains unknown.

As for my response to Mike Rotch, I dislike seeing the documentary and the investigators discredited as deceptive opportunists before the documentary is released.
 
There's a lot of uncertainty in you statements

If by 'uncertainty' you mean 'speculation', then yes, what is your point. The only different between your view and mine in this case is you are favouring the conspiracy angle and I am not. And, you know, the NTSB found it was not a conspiracy.

Vegard
I just know that the report was inconclusive and the real cause of the tragedy probably remains unknown.

Actually the real cause of the tragedy was shown to be an explosion in the fuel tank. But if you prefer to ignore years of NTSB investigation, that is your choice.

Vegard
I dislike seeing the documentary and the investigators discredited as deceptive opportunists before the documentary is released.

I am honoured that my words apparently carry such weight that I can personally discredit retired civil servants from another country. I shall bear the responsibility wisely.
 
If by 'uncertainty' you mean 'speculation', then yes, what is your point. The only different between your view and mine in this case is you are favouring the conspiracy angle and I am not. And, you know, the NTSB found it was not a conspiracy.

Who said anything about a conspiracy?

Actually the real cause of the tragedy was shown to be an explosion in the fuel tank. But if you prefer to ignore years of NTSB investigation, that is your choice.

"The report's conclusion was that the probable cause of the accident was an explosion of flammable fuel/air vapors in a fuel tank, and, although it could not be determined with certainty, the most likely cause of the explosion was a short circuit".

http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/summary/AAR0003.html

I am honoured that my words apparently carry such weight that I can personally discredit retired civil servants from another country. I shall bear the responsibility wisely.

Good for you.

dis·cred·it

1. To damage in reputation; disgrace.
2. To cause to be doubted or distrusted.
3. To refuse to believe.
 
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dis·cred·it

1. To damage in reputation; disgrace.
2. To cause to be doubted or distrusted.
3. To refuse to believe.

So you are discrediting the NTSB investigators who arrived at the original conclusion of the ruptured fuel tank. But pointing fingers at me for discrediting retired NTSB investigators who are saying, via a TV documentary, the original finding was a cover-up?

M'kay.
 
So you are discrediting the NTSB investigators who arrived at the original conclusion of the ruptured fuel tank. But pointing fingers at me for discrediting retired NTSB investigators who are saying, via a TV documentary, the original finding was a cover-up?

M'kay.

The result of the investigation was inconclusive. It stated the probable cause.

I only pointed it out.
 
...snip... And, you know, the NTSB found it was not a conspiracy.
Actually the real cause of the tragedy was shown to be an explosion in the fuel tank. But if you prefer to ignore years of NTSB investigation, that is your choice.

Yes, because we all know government agencies are completely unbiased and never do anything for political reasons. Noooo, that never happens.
 
My father (Who is on the whole, a reasonable Human Being) recalls watching a news broadcast, which played a video of "Something bright" traveling up at the plane, from the ground. He claims that he only saw the clip once, and it was never shown (To him at least) again. So I'll watch this space...

Explosion in the fuel tank? Ok, so why did it explode then? Laser? Bomb? Rocket? Heat? I'm alright with it not being a big conspiracy, the least they could do though is actually provide a decent enough story...
 
You mean this one?

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The investigation concluded that the "streak of light" was consistent with TWA 800's flight path shortly before the explosion. The explosion happened at 8:31pm on a July evening, the height of summer. Given the altitude of the plane at the time of the explosion and the way the plane was travelling west to east, the investigation found that the the plane's contrail was refracting sunlight at altitude.
 
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