For my first Thread: Best car to practice?

[RoccoNut16v]

Sort of a weird question, but what is your favorite car/track combo to hone your skills. So far I'm enjoying the Elise 190, because it is unforgiving, and lets me know when I screw up at all. I'm also a TVR fan. Some reason I don't get along well with 4wd, maybe I'm addicted to having no traction .

Also, what the hell is the point of the displacement upgrade? It's never available seems like?

I'm new to the fan scene, but I've played Gran Turismo 2 since it hit shelves. Haven't played in a year, because I got tired of playing on the comp, so slow, after my friend took his PSX back (yeah, I'm broke because I blow money on my car, it's not a character flaw). That's the reason I want to know what the best car to polish up with is. I guess licensing would be a good place to start too. Anyway, chunk me info.

 

[Alonsomania]

Also, what the hell is the point of the displacement upgrade? It's never available seems like?

We all dont know

Personally,I love GV East,and the Lotus isn't so hard to handle (maybe because i play it on my pc)

 

[MacRoadster]

Displacement upgrade is available to one or two cars... i think the Skyline is one of them...

I also like alot of TVR's, specially the Griffith, which is also a nice car to improve your skills. Might be a bit tricky at first, but when you get used to it gives you alot of fun
It's one of my favorite cars

Seattle Full Course is the track i use more often to test cars, since it has many different corners, bumps, chincanes, and a long straight. Also, any car can go there against the Muscle Cars, since it has no limitation... and the muscle cars are so easy to beat...

 

[TMM]

I'm a big fan of TVR's too, ever since playing GT1 and getting the Cerbera LM. The displacement upgrade is available on the following cars: -

Honda Civics,
Datsun 240Z,
Nissan Skylines (not all models),
Rover Mini (not all models).

That seems about it but if I have missed any then I'm sure someone will post.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Hey it's cool to see someone admitting traction loss can be fun. `

My favorite track/car combo changes almost every time I race. I'm always jumping around, man. Recently did the Rome Enduro in a sky blue RUF BTR2, and even tho my car was underpowered and I only came in 3rd place, I sure honed my skills that day! By the end of the race, I had risen from 4th to 3rd place and had a choice of staying on bad tires for 5 laps or pulling into the pits. On the final lap my tires were finally red and I was crawling, but luckily my strategy worked. It was definitely challenging to race a car like the RUF that can't accept the racing kit against a bunch of cars that can. If I had a more powerful RUF, I woulda definitely won, tho.

The displacement thing is bizarre. My theory is that Gran Turismo originally meant to include it in other cars but didn't have the time to program it in.

 

[Korndawg]

yeah dude i love races that are practically impossible to win, you really have to apply your skills to get a decent position, especially when your car is slower on the straights than the others. do you use a power handicap to make the races really challenging? i cant find one thats right, my car always seems to be too slow or too fast..
and for the displacement thing, i wish firstly that more cars could get it, and then i wish there was some way to tell how much of an increase there is i always seem to be obsessed with little details like that lol

 

[TMM]

The displacement thing is bizarre. My theory is that Gran Turismo originally meant to include it in other cars but didn't have the time to program it in.

Thats possable although there have been many discussions over time regarding this subject. I have read somewhere that the option is only available on those cars because it is available in real life from those manufacturers but that is unsubtansuated.

for the displacement thing, i wish firstly that more cars could get it, and then i wish there was some way to tell how much of an increase there is i always seem to be obsessed with little details like that lol

You could always Hybrid a car and use the displacment option. I believe the gain is about 2%, that is what it is in GT3 and I also GT4.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

yeah dude i love races that are practically impossible to win, you really have to apply your skills to get a decent position, especially when your car is slower on the straights than the others. do you use a power handicap to make the races really challenging? I can't find one that's right, my car always seems to be too slow or too fast.

I didn't have to handicap my RUF in that race...I was using full power (544hp @ 6,100 rpm) with a Stage 1 turbo & all racing parts + super soft tires.

I've got a page of pound to power ratios at http://www.gtcarreviews.com/id22.html find that about 80% of the time it actually works to make races more challenging yet still winnable.

 

[Korndawg]

dude thats awesome, very useful info you got there. would you mind if i printed up a copy of that?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

dude thats awesome, very useful info you got there. would you mind if i printed up a copy of that?

ha ha, be my guest!

 

[Korndawg]

cool, thanx bro

 

[Korndawg]

phew.. that thing was 11 pages long im gonna try out those ratios tonight since i dont have school tomorrow

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yeah, I have a big cybermouth. Let me know what works and what doesn't.

I just finished the 4-wheel challenge in an Audi TT with stage 1 weight redux. I noticed that the 2 races at Seattle were too easy so I'll be changing those ratios, but the one at Laguna was a different story: I got from last to 4th place in turn 4, only cuz the cars ahead of me understeered into the sand. And the corkscrew gained me a couple more places. The leading car was a '98 Lancer GSR Evo. V...I simply couldn't catch it. Finally in lap 2 it spun! If it hadn't, I probly would have passed it at the bottom of the hill cuz the AI doesn't take that turn as well as I can...this is my kinda race, tho...you have to EARN your win!

 

[Korndawg]

yeah exactly, i love races that are close to impossible 👍 so far ive only tried the first two FF Series races, im making a different car for every race to make it as hard as possible ive found your ratios so far to be good, really solid spots to start from, ive only needed to make a few tiny changes so far. i made it so in the first race i have to have a near perfect race to get first, i average around 3rd or 4th place, it realy brings back the fun of the game. it must have taken you a long time to get all those ratios

 

[Parnelli Bone]

It's taken a long time to make the webpage, that's true, and it's not even done yet! To get the ratios I basically just look at the cars that are in the race in the little movie you can watch before entering. If one stands out over all the others, I'll look up its stats, and then I'll race a car with a similar weight / power ratio. If the race is still too easy or if I'm outpowered, I'll keep modifying my car till it's just right, and then I'll type in the new ratio. The key things are: at the beginning of the race, is your car faster than everyone else? Am I gettting to the first corner first or am I still in 6th place? If things go right, I'll still be in 5th or 6th...which means the rest of the race should be based on driving skills and whatever various parts are on my car (tires, suspension, and sometimes drivetrain parts). During the race, am I getting down the straights faster or am I even with everyone else? My favorite races are the ones in which I'm even with at least 1 other car or even better...slightly slower down the straights!

The one bug I've found is: heavier cars tend to have more power than they should. By these rules, a car with no weight reductions will often do better than a car with Stage 3. that's why in some races there'll be a maximum horsepower limit.

 

[Korndawg]

yeah its not near as fun when you just blow past eveyone else on the straights. i try to get my cars so that if i follow them close, i can just keep up when i slipstream, assuming im going fast enough to even do that.

 

[Korndawg]

yeah its not near as fun when you just blow past eveyone else on the straights.

although i must admit i used to do that i would get a car to just under the hp limit with all the mods and be like 'oh im so good look how bad i beat them'... pretty lame lol

 

[TMM]

although i must admit i used to do that i would get a car to just under the hp limit with all the mods and be like 'oh im so good look how bad i beat them'... pretty lame lol

I thought that was the whole point of GT2, showing off how easily you can beat the AI cars, except of course the GT40 on Grindwell.

 

[Alonsomania]

I thought that was the whole point of GT2, showing off how easily you can beat the AI cars, except of course the GT40 on Grindwell.

Isn't that the point of it?

 

[Korndawg]

yeah i spose that is the point, but i lost interest in that since it got to be too easy as i got more experienced.. ive been trying to find ways to make the game harder for a while now. but now that i printed up parnellis website thing, i havnt really had to worry about making the game harder.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I thought that was the whole point of GT2, showing off how easily you can beat the AI cars, except of course the GT40 on Grindwell.

Well, you can do this if you want. Everyone gets something a little different from GT2. The first month or so after I got GT2 I used to get a rush from racing as fast as I could, blowing all the sim cars away, (and I still do this on the Arcade disc where there's no money involved) but about a year ago I started to get bored with just racing ahead. IMO, if you're just stocking your car with as much power as you can and then racing, then what you're really doing is nothing but a time trial with 5 extra cars. But like I said, everyone's different.

BTW, it's the GT40 @ Rome that's tough. In this historic race, the car is at least 15 hp over the limit. The Grindelwäld race is easy in comparison because you can enter a car with more leeway and win easier.

BTW2: has anyone ever played the original version 1.0 of GT2 (the buggiest one)? In The Trial Mountain enduro you could sometimes race against a Vector, which we all know has a hell of a lot more than 295 hp!

 

[Korndawg]

BTW, it's the GT40 @ Rome that's tough. In this historic race, the car is at least 15 hp over the limit. The Grindelwäld race is easy in comparison cuz you can enter a car with more leeway and win easier.

BTW2: has anyone ever played the original version 1.1 of GT2 (the buggiest one)? In The trail Mountain enduro, you could sometimes race against a Vector, which we all know has a hell of a lot more than 295 hp!

yeah the gt40 is a filthy cheater 👎 nah just messin, its not TOO hard if i use a lightweight rwd car like an old lotus or something.. as far as the 1.1 version, i dont have it, i only have the greatest hits version. but i might have played it before, when i first played gt2 at my friends house he might have had that one.
wow.. racing a vector in a 295 limit race.. im guessing its the m12? the weigert would be near impossible to beat. either way that would be a car to beat in an enduro

 

[Parnelli Bone]

yeah the gt40 is a filthy cheater 👎 nah just messin, its not TOO hard if i use a lightweight rwd car like an old lotus or something.. as far as the 1.1 version, i dont have it, i only have the greatest hits version. but i might have played it before, when i first played gt2 at my friends house he might have had that one.
wow.. racing a vector in a 295 limit race.. im guessing its the m12? the weigert would be near impossible to beat. either way that would be a car to beat in an enduro

The GT40 at Rome is tough to beat, but if you corner perfectly every time with a car close to the 295hp limit, it IS possible to beat it. (huhuh, hey beavis, he said “beat it”) In contrast, the Vector @ Trail Mountain was a complete **** up on Polyphony's part...way over limit and impossible to demolish. Lots of people complained about it actually, and that's why they dropped it from version 1.2. I'm not sure which Vector it was.

 

[TMM]

well, you can do this if you want. Everyone gets something a little different from GT2. the first month or so after i got GT2, i used to get a rush from racing as fast as i could, blowing all the sim cars away, (and i still do this on the ARcade disc where there's no money involved) but about a year ago i started to get bored with just racing ahead. IMO, if you're just stocking your car with as much power as you can and then racing, then what you're really doing is nothing but a time trial with 5 extra cars. But like i said, everyone's different.

BTW, it's the GT40 @ Rome that's tough. In this historic race, the car is at least 15 hp over the limit. The Grindelwäld race is easy in comparison cuz you can enter a car with more leeway and win easier.

BTW2: has anyone ever played the original version 1.0 of GT2 (the buggiest one)? In The trail Mountain enduro, you could sometimes race against a Vector, which we all know has a hell of a lot more than 295 hp!

I was very tongue in check when I wrote that post, didn't really mean it. That's why everytime I start GT2 I get bored cause the races are so easy. Anyways I stand corrected about the GT40 and the race. An endurance race with a car topping 295 against a Vector, wow.... PD really did rush it out for Christmas didn't they!!!!

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I was very tongue in check when I wrote that post, didn't really mean it. That's why everytime I start GT2 I get bored cause the races are so easy. Anyways I stand corrected about the GT40 and the race. An endurance race with a car topping 295 against a Vector, wow.... PD really did rush it out for Christmas didn't they!!!!

Yup, and I heard there was a Citroën or something really slow in the Route 5 enduro, too. Like it didn't even have a race mod body.

 

[TMM]

Yup, and i heard there was a Citroën or something really slow in the Route 5 enduro, too. Like it didn't even have a race mod body.

It really bugs me the inconsistances within GT2.

 

[Korndawg]

lol yes it can be frustrating alot of the time.. i was just wondering if anyone has this problem here - sometimes when i play, after like 20 minutes, the music will just cut off and not come back. i hate that

 

[Parnelli Bone]

lol yes it can be frustrating alot of the time.. i was just wondering if anyone has this problem here - sometimes when i play, after like 20 minutes, the music will just cut off and not come back. i hate that

This is one of GT2's glitches. It happens during the World Cup and GT 300/500 races, as well as enduros, but I've noticed it doesn't happen during the Grand Valley enduro, oddly. Also, your turbo / engine / exhaust and the tire noises will vanish after awhile. Yikes! My opinion is that Polyphony or Sony knew about this glitch (how can you not, as a game designer, notice it!???) and this is partially the reason why there are so many single races that aren't tied together in a series.

 

[Korndawg]

hmm i never noticed my car noises cutting out before, and i never noticed what races it happened in either (i dont pay attention much ) but it is really annoying when it cuts off the good songs