For the military men (enlisted, veterans, etc.)

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Lately, I've been pondering about joining the military. My current job is alright, & I make decent pay. But for a month now, I've felt that I've done all there is to in my town and it appears none of my friends are interested in changing their boring life style to help me see more unless it's a useless road trip (which is why Michael & Kelly are the only people I travel with now). I have thought about moving out of the country, but I can't runaway from the bills & current commitments.

Thus, I have thought about enlisting in the Air Force. My grandfather did it & my father did it. Both enjoyed it very much (spending around 40 years combined between the 2). They traveled to Japan, Vietnam, Germany, Scotland, & various US bases. I have always had the curiosity about joining since I was much younger as well. However, all through school and such, the only recruiters I talked to were Marines & Army, both which continue to this day to call me every 3-5 months asking for an enlistment. Take no offense, I have great respect for every branch. However, I just do not care to join the 2 most popular ones.

So, my questions are directed towards anyone with military knowledge, primarily those of you who are currently enlisted or are veterans. I'm mainly curious about your Training Days, First & Fourth Years in the service, & what field you specialized in.

I need to return to college badly as well, so those of you who took advantage of a military paid for college, your opinions are greatly appreciated. I will be talking to a recruiter soon & will be planning on taking part in a tour of our local base. I may even take a trip down to Sheppard in San Antonio for an even closer look.

I know we have a few military guys on here, so I'd be glad to hear about your time in the military. :)
 
Apologies in advance for the length, but I hope to give you good specifics.

Not my own experience, but my stepson's.

He had a rough upbringing, his father was "not a respectable person," and even as a 4-year-old he knew it. His first stepfather wasn't much better, although not violent, he was just indifferent to his stepkids in favor of his own. Blatantly.

So, he grew up with a bit of a lack of respect for male authority, and a bit less respect for his mother. He loved her more than life itself and would do anything to help or protect her, but he had no respect for her mores, rules, history, etc.

When I came into the picture, it took him a couple of years, but he discovered that I meant what I said, kept my promises, and even though I didn't keep them on his preferred timetable, I did keep them. He gave me the "You're not my dad!" speech once. My response was "Yes, we can tell because you're not on the floor bleeding." I never heard that again. So he learned to respect me, but still mostly when it was convenient for him to do so.

He never learned patience, he never learned what I would call good discipline, and he never learned responsibility for himself and what he's said and done. He would always say what he needed to say to whoever he wanted something from, in order to get what he was wanting, and then it was forgotten.

Needless to say, we were shocked and a bit frightened when he came home from school one day in March and said he'd committed to enlist in the Army after graduation. With his history of rules-bending, lack of respect for authority, and inability to face the music for himself, we saw Leavenworth as the only possible result.

He heard nothing the recruiter said except $10,000 signing bonus, choice of assignment, blah blah blah. I kept trying to remind him that the recruiter was a used car salesman, and the Army was a '68 Rambler. Of course he's gonna dress it up a bit.

Well, the day comes in June to go to Montgomery for the physical and the assignment, and he calls me and says the jobs his recruiter promised weren't available. There was no medical lab job, there was no $10,000 bonus, the best he could do was gunner in a 2-seat chopper. I reminded him of the used car salesman, told him not to sign, but to bring the papers home to discuss with family. He called back 15 minutes later, had his lab job, had his bonus committment.

The Army transformed him. Yes, that's what they claim they do to youngsters, but they really do it. The soldier has to want to succeed, but every opportunity is there. The Army does not want losers, they do not want cannon fodder to send over the hill to take enemy fire until the hill is taken. They want productive, intelligent, thinking soldiers who can learn the system and play their part. My son kept telling me the things he learned, how soldiers become worthless if their unit knows they can't be counted on, if their actions are not above-board, if their word is no good. He went on about the principles and values drilled into the soldier along with the physical training and the fighting skills. Most of these things sounded familiar somehow, but at least someone was able to teach them to him at last.

My son found his niche and learned the rules. The "networking" skills that made him so popular in high school (everybody's friend, even though most knew he'd bail on them in a pinch) set him in good stead with the Army.

He graduated Basic Training with the highest score possible on the physical training regimen (running, push-ups, situps.) He was near the top of his class academically. 9-11 happened while he was in basic, so suddenly being in the Army in a real war became a possibility.

He had a year of school for training as a medical lab technician, then a year of working at the Army hospital at Ft. Sam Houston. Once through that, he deployed for a year to Iraq. He got married before deploying, and his daughter was born halfway through his tour. He was able to come home for that, and see her born.

On coming home he and his wife (also in the Army at this point) were stationed in El Paso, and he was offered a program to de-enlist and join ROTC to finish school. He graduated UTEP December '07 in the top 2% of ROTC graduates. Not 2% of UTEP, 2% of the United States! Choice of assignment, he selected the Old Guard at Ft. Myer, Virginia, and is serving there as an officer. The Old Guard is a special, traditional unit. He has tailored uniforms, even as the greenest lowliest office of the unit. When weight training and hand-to-hand workouts (he's an instructor in that!) bulked his shoulders up, he got new uniforms, even though it had only been 3 or 4 months since his originals. He was issued a saber; you should have heard that phone call! "Dad, they gave me a saber! A saber! What are these guys thinking!!!!" Their appearance is so important that because his glasses interfered with the correct fit of his cover, they gave him LASIK to correct his vision. This is a special place to be, and it's his first assignment as an officer! A lowly 2nd Ell Tee!

His "network" from San Antonio and El Paso hs resulted in an offer from West Point to join their faculty at the end of his time in Ft. Myer. There would be some study time beforehand, but it's a genuine offer.

Of course I'm bragging just a bit, being quite proud of him and his accomplishment, but the point is that anyone with a lick of sense and who puts in just a modicum of effort can succeed very well in the military, and the training applies to thousands of civilian jobs, or you can make a very nice career out of it.

I myself never served, and I regret it. At the time I graduated high school, though, military service was not something one aspired to. It was the end of the Viet Nam war, and soldiers were "baby killers" or mindless automatons, brainwashed into becoming murder machines. I bought into that, and truly wish I had seen better.

As to which branch, my personal preference would have been naval aviation. I can't see myself in the Army, and the Air Force is where guys go to learn to be airline pilots. :sly:

Not true, I know, but fun to say. Any of the branches would serve you well, providing you applied yourself fully and took advantage of opportunities as they present themselves. Training is free. School is free. Medical care is free. Housing is free. Food is free. And you get paid, too. A little bit at first, but it goes up with good rank. An E-3 can't live like his friend from high school who went into his daddy's insurance business, but it comes around soon enough.
 
I can't give you specific details, but I felt that sharing my knowledge would be worth something. :)

I'm headed to OCS (Officer Candidate School) for the USMC within the next few years. I'm headed back to college for it. So I cannot give you specific details on service, however I do have two close friends that were in the Marines. I know you don't plan on joining them, however it couldn't hurt to tell about it. ;)

One of them is a retired Major in the Marine Corps (who served from 1987 to 1998), and the other is a retired Scout Sniper who retired after his service in the Persian Gulf War (served from 1979 to 1992). While both of them served in the same branch around relatively the same time, they both have two completely different attitudes.

The Major is currently a lawyer who is married and has three kids, and he is one of the most confident and inspiring people I've ever met. He strongly influenced me to become an officer in the Marine Corps. As he's told me, you should only join if you really want to. Don't let recruiters or anybody else for that matter, make the decision for you. Only join the military if you really want to. He's one of the most caring people I've met. He told me himself, he owes characteristics such as these to his experiences in the military. It's a completely different part of life, and as he's said it, "it makes you look at life differently. For better or for worse, it's better than being a civilian."

The Scout Sniper is different; he's 50 years old, single, and has no kids. He's the kind of person who joined because he felt there was nothing else he could do. Even today, he still tells me; "I joined out of my own ignorance. I've seen things in war that no training can prepare you for, and that nobody should be put through." That said, he still doesn't regret his decision to join, and basically has the same outlook on it; if you really want to join, do it. Just be prepared for a completely different lifestyle.

I have no personal experience about being commissioned or such, however I currently attend Marines P.T. and work-out almost everyday outside of running my own karate school. If you feel that you want to join, make the decision yourself. I can only give you my experience with being in P.T. and my two close friends who served. Hopefully it'll be of some help though.

Do ask if you have any questions though :)
 
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I know that I am bringing a old topic back to life. My brother joined the Navy because it was a job with benefits. I in the other hand just worry bout school, they encourage me to join the military because of said benefits and experience but it has to be my own decision. It feels like I am hardly doing anything with my life other than school. My job is getting worst by the year and I am just blatantly doing the same thing over and over again. I ran into a recruiter who encourages me to join but hasn't my email about continuing school while being enlisted. One of main concerns is will I be able to get my said BS/BA or Master while I am enlisted and has there been any success stories?
 
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