Forced induction. Turbos I guess.

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I really enjoy listening to turbos spool up, blow off, and mis-time the engine. But one sound I've always wondered is how they get that flutter when they let off the gas, is it a good or bad sound? As in bad for the car or good. I don't want to set my car up to make that sound if it's a really bad sound to be happening :/.
 
If I'm not mistaken, a fluttering noise would be compressor surge. Not exactly a good thing.

Well that's no good then :/, I always thought it was a cool sound, but if it's not a good sound then I wouldn't try to replicate it.
 
I really enjoy listening to turbos spool up, blow off, and mis-time the engine. But one sound I've always wondered is how they get that flutter when they let off the gas, is it a good or bad sound? As in bad for the car or good. I don't want to set my car up to make that sound if it's a really bad sound to be happening :/.

Those flutter caused by compressor surge, more likely because the car do not have BOV, most older turbo cars running low boost without BOV from factory tend to make flutter sound when lifting off, gear change, or slowing down ( partial throttle ). You should not have flutter noise when BOV is fitted, BOV / diverter valve is used to reduce/eliminate compressor surge.

Another cause is mismatched turbo and engine, flutter or compressor surge could happen even on full throttle ( open ), usually because the turbo spools up much quicker than the airflow to the engine - turbo operating in surge region even on WOT. BOV won't help in this situation. This can happen when trying to improve spool up time, using large compressor on small turbine in order to improve response on lower RPM. There other ways to eliminate the surge caused by this kind of mismatch by tuning the engine to fit in with the chosen turbo.

Compressor surge won't cause extreme outcome when it happens mostly on lift or closed throttle, usually increasing wear on the turbo bearing and not so good throttle response. When it happens even on open throttle ( like the example cause by mismatched turbo with engine ), stuffing lots of air quicker than / before the engine can take it, at higher RPM, then it can be more serious, damaging turbo compressor wheel or much quicker wear on turbo bearing.

Boost level also a factor, the higher the boost, the greater the impact of the compressor surge.
 
Keep yer turbos, NA for life. He says, aiming to buy a Focus ST in the near future...
 
So compressor surge is bad thing as it increases wear on the parts?

I recall a Top Gear episode with Clarkson driving the ProDrive P2 and describing the sound off throttle as a bunch of squirrels being thrown in a blender. Does this mean the ProDrive had a mismatched turbo/engine or was missing a BOV?
 
So compressor surge is bad thing as it increases wear on the parts?

I recall a Top Gear episode with Clarkson driving the ProDrive P2 and describing the sound off throttle as a bunch of squirrels being thrown in a blender. Does this mean the ProDrive had a mismatched turbo/engine or was missing a BOV?

More like missing BOV and anti lag present, on racing / rally cars where performance is paramount and regular refresh ( parts replacement ) is the norm, such setup may be used. For example WRX with no BOV, when in rally, requiring best possible response from the turbo, keeping positive pressure at all times is preferred ( wear and tear is expected already with abuse )
 
here is one example for everyone

for the GTR NISMO N attack one of the changes was NISMO added carbon pipes that deleted the BOV ( which recirculaste anyway on the GTR) and tweaked the ECU to manage the compressor surge. they did this as forcing the air back through the turbine kept spool up during entry and exit of all the various turns at nurburgring. im not sure how well that would be over time for the car but it was a choice made to contribute to that particular lap record attempt


this video shows a good example of the flutter sound

 
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here is one example for everyone

for the GTR NISMO N attack one of the changes was NISMO added carbon pipes that deleted the BOV ( which recirculaste anyway on the GTR) and tweaked the ECU to manage the compressor surge. they did this as forcing the air back through the turbine kept spool up during entry and exit of all the various turns at nurburgring. im not sure how well that would be over time for the car but it was a choice made to contribute to that particular lap record attempt


this video shows a good example of the flutter sound



I guess what NISMO did was reduce ignition timing and richer air fuel ratio on high engine load - and higher boost :D
 
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