G25 Clutch Question

[Kyle_b]

Hey guys, did a little research and couldnt find anything that answered my question. Hope im not cloning a topic :<

Right, so i own GT5P and a driving force pro and im looking to improve laptimes (like we all are!) but im a bit concerned as to wether my wheel is limiting me or not tbh, because after watching a few replays of the top few times ive noticed that alot seem to be making good use of the clutch from a G25. I want to point out that this isnt one of those "DFpro vs G25" threads that seem to be floating around. Im wondering wether im gimped by my choice of wheel when it comes to perfecting laps and how much of a benefit does a clutch give? If theres anyone here that likes to take time trial seriously, got any tips on setting up a DFpro for GT5P/Acedemy? Any discussion relating to benefits of both wheels regarding high ranking lap times would greatly be appreciated. Thanks alot!


- K

 

[dbarrade]

I don't have a high ranking time but I upgraded from the DFPro to a G25 because of the leather wheel and the clutch pedal.

I need to learn how to heel and toe, and I figured that would be done safest at home.

The clutch to me improves the realism, regardless of wether it is quicker or not, and if you take most cars out on the track, you will have to use the clutch, so why not practise that as well.

At the moment I think I am still a bit faster with the paddles and no clutch, but ths is more due to a lack of skill at shifting than with any penalty imposed by the game for using the clutch.

I have read that using the clutch in GT5p allows you to change gears faster, so in theory it would improve your time, and hence it's not available in GT5 TT.

 

[Peterram430]

As dbarrade said using the clutch is slightly faster, but because of this it cannot be used in GT Academy.

 

[Kyle_b]

As dbarrade said using the clutch is slightly faster, but because of this it cannot be used in GT Academy.

oh wow! so there is still hope for me! lol. thanks alot guys, looks like the good lap times can be linked down to something else. Looks like they're almost sliding around corners, perhaps thats wheelspin or the handbrake (im still trying to work it out!) anyway, thats for another post


- K

 

[Vuduegg]

In what way does clutching make it faster? Faster to shift gears, or a faster lap time?

I cannot see how clutching (as in disengage the clutch, change gear, engage the clutch) can be faster than paddle shifting. Added to the fact that if you mis-clutch on a shift, you're stuck in neutral until you slip it back into its original gear before the shift...and that costs you time in a big way.

 

[Jay]

I cannot see how clutching (as in disengage the clutch, change gear, engage the clutch) can be faster than paddle shifting.

Depending on the car, but most cars in GT5P you can shift faster using the clutch. The reason is, just because you don't control the clutch, doesn't mean it's not used, GT runs it's own shifting process which includes drivetrain disengaging and, gear selecting and rev matching. The rev matching part is what takes longer when GT does it. GT waits until the revs have dropped on their own before re-engaging the clutch on the upshift (hence a pause, more notable while going slow with lots of wheelspin, then change up gears) and blips the engine revs on downshifts. While using the clutch manually you shift before the revs drop to match the output shaft speed (no waiting pause like GT does) which causes the engine to revs to be dragged down manually and suppling a minor 'power' shift.

On cars like the GTR (09) which Dual clutch transmission and the F430 which its fast F1 shift you struggle to beat the paddles and in the GTR you can't select the clutch at all.

Added to the fact that if you mis-clutch on a shift, you're stuck in neutral until you slip it back into its original gear before the shift...and that costs you time in a big way.

Thats spot on, and many people who don't use the clutch fail to realise how easy it happens. Just one slip up during a race or lap will ruin 10 fold any tiny advantage the player got from using the clutch, this is even not mentioning the fact that many corners your left foot is required to clutch when it could be used for left foot braking instead.

The problem comes down to time trials (single lap runs) where you pull off a lap without screwing up any shifts and you might just got that small advantage. This is the reason I believe the clutch isn't functioning in the GT5 time trial demo, although the 370Z's (both of them) shift very fast, much quicker than the usual cars in GT5P and I doubt the clutch would give players any advantage considering this.

 

[ADEuk]

One more point, if using a G25 and clutch you can downshift straight from 5th to 2nd when braking and it doesn't bang against the rev limiter

 

[skazz]

oh wow! so there is still hope for me! lol. thanks alot guys, looks like the good lap times can be linked down to something else. Looks like they're almost sliding around corners, perhaps thats wheelspin or the handbrake (im still trying to work it out!) anyway, thats for another post
- K

They look like they're "almost" sliding around corners because the top drivers are on the absolute limit of grip. Which is not easy.

If you want to get faster, you need to practice a lot, and you need to improve your understanding of racing lines, how to keep up the most speed through corners, how to take a series of corners fastest, slow-in-fast-out for corners leading on to straights, etc...

And don't forget, using clutch means far more things to do each time you change gear. That takes lots of skill to do consistently without slowing yourself down.

The moral: The aliens are going to be fast no matter what, purely because they can really drive. Don't assume the fast guys have somehow found "cheats", because generally they are simply really smooth, really fast, good understanding of how to drive a car quickly, and they have put in the hours to get their hand/eye/foot coordination so good. Oh, and probably natural talent plays a part too of course

 

[Kyle_b]

Yeh thats true its all about practise I never assumed they were cheating, but im curious to know if they dealt with anything differently than im doing. But thanks alot guys that cleared a load of stuff up for me

 

[caymanSrulz]

Is there any way to change settings or button configs on GT5 for the G25? I tried to set it to paddles using the DFGT settings but it didn't work.
And also is the clutch required in GT5 as default when using manual or do I need to change it?

 

[Jay]

Go into the DFP button config and change it there, here is the corresponding buttons for the G25

You don't have to use the clutch if you don't wish. pressing triangle as you gain control of the car activates it (Assuming you're in H patten mode on the shifter unit).

 

[lbsf1]

How much quicker is a steering wheel (logitech driving force gt) than a dualshock 3, on one lap of the time trial.

Didn't think it deserved another tread

 

[Sam48]

So basically, a DFGT is quicker when used with certain cars only when paddle shifting, and the G25 is quicker with some cars using either the paddles and clutch. correct?

 

[(AP:B)bobpolo]

I have a question about the logitech g25. i have heard that you can press triangle and you drive with manual clutch if you are in H patten mode. Can this be done with the sequential mode?

 

[ADEuk]

No it's used for reverse when in sequential mode

 

[Jay]

So basically, a DFGT is quicker when used with certain cars only when paddle shifting, and the G25 is quicker with some cars using either the paddles and clutch. correct?

No

The G25 can function just like the DFGT, you can change modes, paddles, H pattern (with or without clutch), sequential.