G29 sequential shifter mod - is it useful for Gran Turismo Sport?

[Daz555]

Plenty of G29 owners use one of many mods/hacks to allow practical sequential shifting on the G29 shifter. For example.



For this to work though, the games need to allow remapping of shifter positions - Project Cars for example allows you to map 3rd and 4th gears to shift down and shift up respectively

Does anyone know if GTS has this available in its menu/controller options?

 

[cjr3559]

Manual shifting has always been a weak spot for PD. I'm not holding my breath for an option to remap the controls. Better get used to those paddle shifters!

Call me OCD, but nothing beats remapping the controls in DiRT games to a dog leg manual on cars that actually had one.

 

[VBR]

That's a really clever little mod!

 

[Purity666]

Hey guys,

on christmas I will get gt sport + logitech g29 + shifter. I'm thinking about modding it to a sequential shifter as well. As I currently don't have the game and shifter, I also want to know if it is possible the re-map gear 3 and 4 of the shifter to shift down an up via the config menu? I've searched the forum and also checked a lot of youtube videos, pictures of the config menu and also some external pages without success. Would be great if someone has an answer to this.

Greetings
Purity

 

[cjr3559]

Hey guys,

on christmas I will get gt sport + logitech g29 + shifter. I'm thinking about modding it to a sequential shifter as well. As I currently don't have the game and shifter, I also want to know if it is possible the re-map gear 3 and 4 of the shifter to shift down an up via the config menu? I've searched the forum and also checked a lot of youtube videos, pictures of the config menu and also some external pages without success. Would be great if someone has an answer to this.

Greetings
Purity

Sorry, but it’s not possible to remap the G29 shifter to sequential on GTSport even after modding it. You’ll have to use the paddles. Other games allow you remap the shifter but sadly PD hasn’t implemented this functionality and probably never will. Heck, I don’t think the TH8A even works in sequential mode on GTS though I haven’t bothered to check yet.

 

[boppa]

I have that shifter, but don't use it much because the clutch pedal doesn't work properly (even though it seemed to during some of the beta period) which is a real shame for a driving simulator. There are not many people complaining about it either, not sure why.

 

[PocketZeven]

I have that shifter, but don't use it much because the clutch pedal doesn't work properly (even though it seemed to during some of the beta period) which is a real shame for a driving simulator. There are not many people complaining about it either, not sure why.

The clutch is a known issue for a long time in GT. It’s really sensitive. What I mean is you need to press in the clutch fully, then shift gear, then depress clutch. Other games are more forgiving.

Also you cannot use the sequential mod for the Logitech shifter sadly.

 

[DesertPenguin]

It's unrealistic, not unforgiving/sensitive. That's just not how it works, plain and simple. It's a damn shame because I will try not to use cars H-pattern manuals because I can't be as fast in a race. When it messes up it takes so much momentum to get it back in gear. So frustrating.

 

[Purity666]

Thank you all for these (bad) news. Sad to hear that it's not possible to set it up this way (not even possible to get it working properly as intended). If this is a problem for the whole series then there might be indeed no hope to get it fixed in that title. Seems like I have to find an additional game to have fun with h-pattern and sequential (with shifter not paddles) shifting on the PS4 - is there a suggestion for this?

 

[Loopdreams]

Project Cars 2 is worth a look, it's a decent enough game however it has a few bugs, but nothing that stops you having loads of fun with it. However compared to GT Sport the multiplayer is a mess.

 

[Amaru]

Heck, I don’t think the TH8A even works in sequential mode on GTS though I haven’t bothered to check yet.

Yes it does...

 

[boppa]

It's unrealistic, not unforgiving/sensitive. That's just not how it works, plain and simple. It's a damn shame because I will try not to use cars H-pattern manuals because I can't be as fast in a race. When it messes up it takes so much momentum to get it back in gear. So frustrating.

Yeah it seems to be a digital on/off switch rather than an actual pedal clutch. Which is, as you say, totally unrealistic. Very strange for a driving simulator.

 

[cjr3559]

Yes it does...

Regarding the TH8A:

Does the game automatically recognize when the shifter is setup in sequential vs H-Pattern? Or is there a menu to change the input settings. I haven’t tried to look yet, just curious.

 

[PocketZeven]

Yeah it seems to be a digital on/off switch rather than an actual pedal clutch. Which is, as you say, totally unrealistic. Very strange for a driving simulator.

It depends really. The problem is the pedal feels unrealistic. But in really life you do actually have to press in the clutch completely before shifting. So not so sure if it’s the games fault, rather the unrealistic feeling clutchpedal. I can imagine people with a higher end clutch pedal having no problem. Can’t confirm though.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I just asked my brother who drives a manual if it's possible to change gears while pressing the clutch any less than 100%. Waiting for a reply back.

 

[Amaru]

Regarding the TH8A:

Does the game automatically recognize when the shifter is setup in sequential vs H-Pattern? Or is there a menu to change the input settings. I haven’t tried to look yet, just curious.

When you change the gearbox itself to sequential (using the sequential top cover that replaces the H-pattern top cover), the sequential top cover has an extra little edge on the bottom, this little edge presses down on a small switch that's located inside the gearbox - this switch activates the sequential mode & the game will automatically 'recognize' the sequential mode

 

[Foxis]

I have nothing to contribute, but am curious: Do I understand correctly that the G29 does not have a sequential shifting mode? Why did they remove that feature? My older G25 has a turn switch that transforms the shifter between sequential or H-style.

 

[Purity666]

I have nothing to contribute, but am curious: Do I understand correctly that the G29 does not have a sequential shifting mode? Why did they remove that feature? My older G25 has a turn switch that transforms the shifter between sequential or H-style.

I've read that this switch results in problems for some users (I couldn't find out the real problem though) hence they decided to remove this mode/switch already for the G27 (which still had four more buttons + d-pad). For the G29 they also removed the buttons and d-pad (as this is now part of the steering wheel).

 

[NiZM069]

I just asked my brother who drives a manual if it's possible to change gears while pressing the clutch any less than 100%. Waiting for a reply back.

I drive an S2000 AP1 and the clutch engagement is near the top. So yes, it's possible to shift with the clutch not fully 100% depressed. IRL: it will vary by car

 

[DesertPenguin]

Yea he said the same, sorry for not answering back. 2017 Mazda 3

 

[Foxis]

I've read that this switch results in problems for some users (I couldn't find out the real problem though) hence they decided to remove this mode/switch already for the G27 (which still had four more buttons + d-pad). For the G29 they also removed the buttons and d-pad (as this is now part of the steering wheel).

Ah - I see! I mostly use paddles so I have not had much experience with the "switch" mechanism. It does appear a bit flimsy though.

 

[jimbo197]

Can you plug a G25 sequential/H shifter in to the ports on the back of a G27 or G29?

 

[Purity666]

Can you plug a G25 sequential/H shifter in to the ports on the back of a G27 or G29?

...well, technically yes. It's a d-sub 9 plug for both shifters. Functionally, I don't think GTSport will recognize it as a sequential shifter but still expects a h-shifter as long as it is connected to the g29 wheel-base (but I might be wrong).

 

[Purity666]

...perhaps one could re-wire the 3rd and 4th gear of the shifter to paddles of the wheel :-)

 

[Loopdreams]

I drive an S2000 AP1 and the clutch engagement is near the top. So yes, it's possible to shift with the clutch not fully 100% depressed. IRL: it will vary by car

Yeah, the biting point generally moves higher as the clutch wears out but I don't think I ever drove even a new car where it was right on the floor like it seems to be in GT Sport. It certainly doesn't feel natural or right to me and I've driven manual cars almost exclusively for nearly thirty years.

 

[Purity666]

Can you plug a G25 sequential/H shifter in to the ports on the back of a G27 or G29?

ok, i think my "way to go" will be to solder additional cables to the paddle-switches on the mainboard of the wheel, conduct the cables to the wheel-base, place another d-sub 9 connector in the bottom of the base, place another pair of switches (the same as for the paddles inside the wheel) at the position of the 3rd and 4th gear inside the h-shifter and wire these to the d-sub 9 cable of the shifter. As I want to be able to switch between sequential and h-shifting later on, I don't want to solder these directly to the cable but use the same connector which is already used inside shifter to connect the potentiometer. Does anyone if these are connected by a plug or soldered onto another pcb - unfortunately I wasn't able to find pictures of this for the g29?

 

[PocketZeven]

ok, i think my "way to go" will be to solder additional cables to the paddle-switches on the mainboard of the wheel, conduct the cables to the wheel-base, place another d-sub 9 connector in the bottom of the base, place another pair of switches (the same as for the paddles inside the wheel) at the position of the 3rd and 4th gear inside the h-shifter and wire these to the d-sub 9 cable of the shifter. As I want to be able to switch between sequential and h-shifting later on, I don't want to solder these directly to the cable but use the same connector which is already used inside shifter to connect the potentiometer. Does anyone if these are connected by a plug or soldered onto another pcb - unfortunately I wasn't able to find pictures of this for the g29?

Or get a drivehub. With a Th8a or Fanatec sq.

 

[cleanLX]

I drive an S2000 AP1 and the clutch engagement is near the top. So yes, it's possible to shift with the clutch not fully 100% depressed. IRL: it will vary by car

Yep, in real life it's pretty common to have "adjustable - clutch pedal stops" in racing applications to keep the driver spending too much time shoving the clutch pedal further than it needs to go. For a road vehicle, you would need to disable the neutral safety switch to be able to start the vehicle.
Also in real lift, under full throttle up shifts, you are actually pushing/pulling the shifter before the actual shift, the clutch gets just enough actuation to allow the trans/shifter come out of gear... it'll go into the next gear with a nice crunch... at full throttle you can pull/push on the shifter as hard as you want and it'll not come out of gear... but tap on the clutch and bang... it's on.

 

[CustomX]

So I've added the shifter to my G29. It feels plasticky as hell but I still really love the added realism of using a shifter. Say what you want about paddles being "all you need" but it just doesn't feel right to drive many of the road cars using paddles, and its also not as much fun IMO.

I'm on the lookout for mods. I've ordered this plastic thing that apparently adds some weight to gear changes but it doesn't look like it'll last long. Have also seen the mod to add some velcro fur to the shifter body rim.

Any more mod ideas? Can't justify price of a Fanatec shifter just yet....

 

[PocketZeven]

So I've added the shifter to my G29. It feels plasticky as hell but I still really love the added realism of using a shifter. Say what you want about paddles being "all you need" but it just doesn't feel right to drive many of the road cars using paddles, and its also not as much fun IMO.

I'm on the lookout for mods. I've ordered this plastic thing that apparently adds some weight to gear changes but it doesn't look like it'll last long. Have also seen the mod to add some velcro fur to the shifter body rim.

Any more mod ideas? Can't justify price of a Fanatec shifter just yet....

3DRAP has all the mods you will need for the shifter.