Game capture device recommendations

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I'm interested in getting an HD game capture device for live streaming and posting YouTube videos from my PS3. I think I've got my choice down to the Elgato or the Roxio, though the Elgato seems to be around $50 more everywhere I've found. Is it worth the extra $50?

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I can't comment on the Roxio, but I recently purchased the Elgato Game Capture HD and I've been extremely happy with it. It's a good size and the supplied software is very simple to use.

So far, I've used it to capture the recent gameplay videos posted on GTPlanet's YouTube channel and used the built-in live streaming capabilities to broadcast the GT Academy live practice event.
 
I have also gotten myself a elgato capture card about couple of weeks ago, and it is simple an easy to set up. Great capture card an so worth the money!
 
Well I got the Elgato. For the most part I'm pleased, but the only issue is my PS3 headset doesn't work with it. Also, it's too bad you can't use all HDMI inputs for the PS3 like you can with the Xbox. I've found the graphics on my monitor/TV have slightly less definition due to the required PS3 A/V setup. I'll primarily use Elgato for posting videos rather than live streaming.
 
Well I got the Elgato. For the most part I'm pleased, but the only issue is my PS3 headset doesn't work with it. Also, it's too bad you can't use all HDMI inputs for the PS3 like you can with the Xbox. I've found the graphics on my monitor/TV have slightly less definition due to the required PS3 A/V setup. I'll primarily use Elgato for posting videos rather than live streaming.
It is too bad, but it's not the fault of the Elgato - the PS3's HDMI port is restricted with HDCP (the Xbox is not, and neither is the PS4's, now), and can only output a maximum resolution of 720p via component.

I'm not sure what you mean by your "PS3 headset doesn't work with it", but I presume you can't hear your voice on the recording? That would make sense, because the Elgato can only record the audio that the PS3 outputs, and there's no reason it would output your mic back to you. You could probably work around this by setting up another microphone connected to your computer which records your voice through the commentary feature. Awkward, but I can't think of any other way around that unless the PS3 or the game supports feeding mic audio back out.
 
I have an Elgato myself, Jordan is absolutely correct about the HDMI/HDCP issue on PS3.
I also looked at Hauppage PVR that has pass-thru HDMI, but same issue affects it on PS3.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by your "PS3 headset doesn't work with it", but I presume you can't hear your voice on the recording? That would make sense, because the Elgato can only record the audio that the PS3 outputs, and there's no reason it would output your mic back to you. You could probably work around this by setting up another microphone connected to your computer which records your voice through the commentary feature. Awkward, but I can't think of any other way around that unless the PS3 or the game supports feeding mic audio back out.

It's kind if tricky to explain, but using the headset while live streaming or capturing gameplay disables the audio output on the capture (but the audio through the headset still works). I did some research on the Elgato FAQ and it mentions this incompatibility for this particular headset. If my memory serves, it's because the headset uses its own USB port and doesn't pass through the capture device. It's really not a big deal, the audio output works fine when using the external monitor speakers. I don't see myself live streaming much, though I will like to upload a video from time to time.
 
I tried the Roxio, the Elgato, and the Aver Media. I ended up with the Aver Media Live Gamer Protible.

Overall, i found the higher bitrates of the Aver LGP to give much better looking videos, with less compression blocking artifacts, and sharper color.

The Roxio had really nice video quality as well, solid codecs, but the cabelling was cumbersome, and the pass through was less than ideal. Where as the Aver LGP came with the PlayStation analog connection cable, which is super clean and simple.

The Elgato is a good product. The software is good, and they continually update their products. But i found the hardware to be a little lacking, their codecs to be a little old for my liking, and the CPU time required to record to be more intensive. I dont have a potato for a computer (custom gaming rig 16gig RAM with an OCed i7 at 4GHrz), and im using a pair of 1TB 10k RPM Velociraptors in RAID0 for my scratch disc, so the extra CPU usage isnt THAT big of a deal for me, but i prefer that the hardware of the Aver LGP does more of the encoding than the software of the Elgato. The limitation of course being that the Elgato could be further updated and optimized, were as the Aver LGP will be mostly hardware bound. But at the moment, that hardware is superior.

If you arent dead set on the Elgato, i suggest you check out the Aver LGP.
 
I tried the Roxio, the Elgato, and the Aver Media. I ended up with the Aver Media Live Gamer Protible.

Overall, i found the higher bitrates of the Aver LGP to give much better looking videos, with less compression blocking artifacts, and sharper color.

The Roxio had really nice video quality as well, solid codecs, but the cabelling was cumbersome, and the pass through was less than ideal. Where as the Aver LGP came with the PlayStation analog connection cable, which is super clean and simple.

The Elgato is a good product. The software is good, and they continually update their products. But i found the hardware to be a little lacking, their codecs to be a little old for my liking, and the CPU time required to record to be more intensive. I dont have a potato for a computer (custom gaming rig 16gig RAM with an OCed i7 at 4GHrz), and im using a pair of 1TB 10k RPM Velociraptors in RAID0 for my scratch disc, so the extra CPU usage isnt THAT big of a deal for me, but i prefer that the hardware of the Aver LGP does more of the encoding than the software of the Elgato. The limitation of course being that the Elgato could be further updated and optimized, were as the Aver LGP will be mostly hardware bound. But at the moment, that hardware is superior.

If you arent dead set on the Elgato, i suggest you check out the Aver LGP.
Thanks for sharing, I had not heard of the Aver Media device - it looks great. I love the fact that it supports recording directly to an SD card without the need for PC, too. There might be an Elgato for sale soon! :D
 
Thanks for sharing, I had not heard of the Aver Media device - it looks great. I love the fact that it supports recording directly to an SD card without the need for PC, too. There might be an Elgato for sale soon! :D

Yeah, the direct to SD recording is a nice option to have. I personally havent used it yet, not even to try it out. But there are plenty of YouTube videos out there showing its relative quality. You do take a noticable hit on the video quality though, being limited to 16mbps, as opposed to the standard PC connection which can do 60mbps. But the codecs are good, so as long as you are not trying to record Street Fighter, and doing something at a little more mundane pace, it looks just fine. With the lower bitrates on PC free mode, when the scene gets busy, it washes out more than usual, as opposed to the blocking you get on the Elgato at equalliy low bit rates. Its really just a matter of codec maturity more than anything else.

Now, this is just my personal view of the technical differences in the video quality of the two cards. For me, the Elgato produced a smoother video. I think their codec is producing a little bit better frame interpolation, and frame pacing correction than the AverMedia is. Things always seemed smoother on the Elgato. However, that comes at a trade off. What gets used up for frame interpolation is wasted elsewhere, so the colors on the Elgato suffer. By itself, its hardly noticeable, but side by side, the AverMedia produces MUCH better colors, i think this is largely due to the higher 60mbps video rate. Not only are the colors more accurate, but they have better contrast as well. Now, again with trade offs, on some occasions i have noticed that the AverMeida will lose the color accuracy with a lot of movement on screen, like i mentioned above in PC Free mode. They can kind of wash out when motion blocking occurs. Where as the "pre washed out" look of the Elgato seems to keep the coloration more consistent, even if it wasnt completely accurate to begin with. So the quality swing on the Elgato is less precepitable, but the general quality of the AverMeida is higher.
Speaking of overall image quality. The Elgato has a softer look to its finished image quality. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as it does help to reduce or hide some of the codec noise and blocking issues, as well as reduce some minor aliasing. Where as the AverMeida has a very sharp image quality to it. In some cases i feel like they might actually be applying an Edge Detection/Enhancement filter to one of the passes on their codec. I say that because i have noticed some odd artifacting anomalies on text with the AverMedia that i didnt get on the Elgato, and some cases hard edges of on screen objects seem to almost be "blown out" with how much they stand out, almost looking cell shaded like Borderlands in some instances. Its a bit annoying at times, because in the situations where it does that, it looks overly processed. But on the flip side with the Elgato, in some instances its lack of sharpness can make some in game dials, lettering, ammo counters, etc. a little more difficult to read clearly at a glance, especially when there is a lot of fast motion on screen. They just sort of blend into the background of the image.

So while i can appreciate the video smoothness, and the consistency of the Elgato, the more vibrant colors of the AverMedia was a bigger selling point for me. In terms of Gran Turismo, the dials and the track edges were much more well defined with the AverMeida. So while it did, at times, feel a bit more framey or hitchy than the Elgato, being able to see tuning screen numbers more clearly, along with the track edge, as well as the dials more clearly (even during fast motion with some blocking) was more important to me, and became its biggest selling point.

Honestly, i think it comes down to personal preference and what you are doing, and how it works best for you. For me, and what little i am doing, i prefer the AverMedia. I dont think they are THAT different that going with either will really be detrimental either way. I feel like you do get more bang for you buck with the AverMedia, but if the Elgato is working for you, i would be hard pressed to ditch it for the AverMedia, or vice versa. Its really splitting hairs to choose between the two.
 
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Ah, good to know that the SD recording is at a lower bitrate; I clearly need to do quite a bit more research before making any kind of switch...
 
So, today, just fumbling around and doing some reading/research, i discovered that the LGP uses a variable framerate, with constant bitrate, where as the Elgato uses a constant framerate, with a variable bitrate. Apparently there are some issues with the LGP in Adobe Premier when it comes to audio sync issue with commentary tracks. There are apparently some firmware updates, and software updates that fix this on both ends.
But this is likely largely responsible for the smoother feel of the Elgato videos in comparison to the LGP's. That said, i still prefer the greater color correction, and edge sharpness of the LGP for my videos.

So, thought that was worth mentioning in the discussion.
 

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