Getting a wheel: G27, Fanatic, etc.

[HDT Commodore]

There's probably a million threads like these, but I have specific questions:

I don't like the shift pattern. I like driving race cars most, and in V8 Supercars at least they use a forwards/backwards lever right next to the steering wheel. Opinions? Also does it support 7+ gearboxes (Veyron, 458, etc.)

Will it work with the PS4? Might be better to wait and get a PS4 one and use it for GT7 and 8 instead of just 6.

Will it work with PC? Don't care if it doesn't. I only play online racing games and an analogue is better than good enough.

I'd be happy with a cheap wheel (my PS2 one was bargain basement material but it got the job done) but the G27 seems to be the cheapest clutch using Gt6 compatible wheel (that's what i was looking for this time) Opinions?

I'll also use this for GT5, DiRT 3 and Driver: San Fransisco

By the way I love that you can move the gear shifter as different cars have it in different places. (Left right up down etc.)

Thanks in advance.

 

[Sixflags48]

-The shift pattern supports 6 forward gears and 1 reverse, the paddles will have to be used to shift higher.

-Logitech is currently working on drivers for the PS4, but no news on if it will actually be supported.

-It will most certainly work on PC, just about everything does.

-The Logitech DFGT is also compatible with GT6, and has a stick sequential option, but no clutch or H-Pattern.

-Both G27, and DFGT work for GT5/ DiRT 3 and Driver: SF.

If you can get your hands on a G25 in good condition for cheap (kind of unlikely) It would be a great option. Just four less buttons on the wheel, but you get a sequential option on the shifting portion of the wheel. Oh, I should mention the G25 is quite loud, and depending where you live, check out the prices of the Fanatec Porsche GT3 RS wheel, it works with all the games, and you can get much better pedals, and a shifter set with both +6-1 H-Pattern and +- sequential.

 

[Youngun]

Veyron and 458 and MP4 and every other new supercar use flappy paddles and no clutch anyway if you are going for realism. G27 is great and usually pop up in the sale now and agian but its also a stand you need. And desk or table is good but can be cramped and wrong angle. Racing seats and at least a designed wheel stand is best. Fanatecs are some of the best but i believe as there belt driven, do make a noise after a while, my G27 is a few years old and no noise yet.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Yes. It is worth every penny.

I upgraded from the DFGT (which I killed two of those) to the G27 after I got bored with my third DFGT. I never looked back. Just having the clutch and H-Pattern shifter made me keep playing more and more.

Plus it is insanely quiet compared to the DFGT.

If you can pay the money for it, you won't regret it.

 

[wrapture]

Im not sure if it will work on a G27 but the G25 shifter will do Sequential and H-Pattern 6 speed. Only thing is most people say it is louder than the the G27 shifter.

Only down side I have found to the G27 is the deadzone but even that isn't much to complain about.

Edit: Here is an explanation on how to use a G25 Shifter on a G27.

 

[Sixflags48]

If the shipping was not so high for Canada, I would have gotten the Fanatec Porsche GT3 RS Value Pack XL, but that option is not for everywhere around the world. It came with CSR Elite pedals (much much much better that the G27 ones) The wheel itself (which is plenty quiet and has slightly stronger FFB) and a shifter set (not the best out there, but still good enough). For GT5/6 it has a "Compatability Mode" that makes it mimic the likes of the G25. My friend has one, and I wish so badly that it was mine, being a G27 user. If you decide to go to PC racing, the sky is the limit for shifters, pedals and any other add-on.

Back to the G27, for anyone who gets it, I would highly recommend the GTEYE brake spring with the old brake in the clutch, and the clutch spring in the accelerator pedal, and I would also recommend the DSD Tilton style pedals. They work very nicely.

Im not sure if it will work on a G27 but the G25 shifter will do Sequential and H-Pattern 6 speed. Only thing is most people say it is louder than the the G27 shifter.

Only down side I have found to the G27 is the deadzone but even that isn't much to complain about.

Edit: Here is an explanation on how to use a G25 Shifter on a G27.

Or this could be used http://www.derekspearedesigns.com/g25-to-g27-shifter-adapter.html
I do not know if this works on the PS3 though.

 

[Dimebolt]

With regards to GT6 specifically, i bought a G27 for it and i'm unsure if i made the right decision...

I don't doubt the wheel's over-all quality at all, but i think it isn't the greatest for GT6. There are no specific PS3 drivers and i assume that is the cause of some of the odd things i have noticed...

The Force Feedback on the DFGT is MUCH more prominent. I've read, infact, that the FFB on the G27 is the softest of all the wheels for GT6.

There are still anomalies with regards to the clutch ( tho, others would disagree and put it down to bad technique on the driver's part ), so it's difficult for me to compare as it's the first wheel i've ever used with a clutch.

If you do buy a G27, it is highly advisable that you upgrade the brake pedal with something like the GTEye spring upgrade and then put the stock brake spring into the the clutch pedal too. These cheap upgrades really do improve the feel of the pedals a lot.

http://www.nixim.com/index.php?pageid=brakemod

http://www.gteye.com.au/ <-- Free worldwide shipping I do believe...

USA delivery 5 - 7 working days (FREE)

EUROPEAN delivery 5 - 7 working days (FREE)

AUSTRALIA delivery: Express Post 1 - 3 working days (FREE)

INTERNATIONAL delivery (All other areas outside Australia, USA, Europe): International Air Mail: 7-10 working days (FREE)


The build quality itself seems excellent to me and the wheel itself feels responsive and very comfortable to use.

Another thing being, is that if you get a G27, really, really do look into buying a G27 specific stand for it ( preferably one without a bar in front of the pedals! ) because it could prove a pain, trying to find furniture around the house that you can clamp the parts to and are in a comfortable position for you whilst driving. I had the wheel clamped to my desk for a while and tried to jimmy together all sorts of things to clamp the shifter to, which never worked. It would always move too much whilst trying to shift, so you need the gearstick to be clamped to the same thing the wheel is.

Something like this maybe, that's relatively cheap? :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IONRAX-St...s_VideoGameAccessories_JN&hash=item417ba676a3

Finally, get the pedals tilted a bit too if you can, so you are pushing your foot forward when manipulating the pedals and not up and over, as it were. Again, the pedals can be modded to be sat as if they are coming down, like in a normal car, rather than sitting on the floor, tho that mod looks tricky...but that's just me



Another small but nice mod for the shifter, if only to improve the feel:

 

[Sixflags48]

In the Hardware section of GTP, there is somewhere a G25/27 modder forum, That would also be a good place to hit up.

And the Fanatec Seat stand is quite good for the price, comes with a seat and drill holes. (I am really trying not to sound biased toward Fanatec here, but they make good stuff)

 

[Youngun]

I find the clutch about right for a NEW unit. Just had mine changed to a racing clutch it it feels almost the same of the G27. The actual Bite will never exist in ~£1000 mark due to magnetic system hooked up to another chip and sensor.

+1 on the stand but i have the wheel stand pro and rarely have trouble with the bar due to it being near my ......seat. So left foot brake and throttle blippings are possible.

 

[colj00]

i got mine super cheap ($180 AUD) but its definitely worth even $500. iv had only 1 breakage and that was the potentiometer coming out of place on the shifter, i just glued it back in and did a reinforcement job on all the thin wires leading to connectors (worried about them breaking off over time)

 

[Sixflags48]

I don't know if it is just me, but my G27 does run hotter than my DFGT, If nobody else has this problem I might just DIY and put a PC case fan/filter on my wheel case. (Coming from RC bashing I am not afraid of modding it up, I just lack the money)

 

[HDT Commodore]

Wow! Thanks for all the answers. Really good advice. I've got a Table Mate II (mind you it;s a bit wobbly) nd a mini table which'd be good for the shifter (might put books or weights on it) or if I can't get that right I'll just make my own. I've got a race seat swivel chair which should be good enough.

But what about the Fanatic 911 wheel? Is that perhaps a better option?

Also, Sixflags you could probably get a motor out of and old electronic or find a cheap/free old computer at a garage sale or something.

 

[Sixflags48]

My wheelstand is an IKEA laptop table with a relaxing TV chair as the racing seat of choice, with two pillows on the chair for added height, my shifter sits on a bookshelf next to the stand.

I like the feel of the Fanatec wheel, and it has a yellow thing on top of the rim!

I could probably just find a laptop case fan or RC ESC fan at the local future shop. One thing about the G27 though is that it can be just about endlessly modded. The Fanatec would take more work, and DSD makes Tilton pedals for both.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

From what I hear the G27 is a bit lacking in FFB?

I have a DFGT that I used for a while and when I first got it the FFB seemed pretty good. After having used a 911 TurboS the FFB on the DFGT seemed pretty weak. Now I use a CSR Elite and even the Turbo S feels a bit weak in comparison.

So if you want good strong smooth FFB Fanatec is a good choice, also supports the 360 if that is a factor. And of course works great on the PC

 

[huhobanut]

I think my G27 is amazing value for money ... Modded mine with brake mod and homemade handbrake .. Using an OPENWHEELER raceseat (£200 new) !! ...

 

[Sixflags48]

So if you want good strong smooth FFB Fanatec is a good choice, also supports the 360 if that is a factor. And of course works great on the PC

For price savings in mind, and if you like orange, the GT3 RS is good if you need not XBox FFB. The current Fanatecs will not be PS4/XBone compatible

^^Nice seat by the way^^

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

For price savings in mind, and if you like orange, the GT3 RS is good if you need not XBox FFB. The current Fanatecs will not be PS4/XBone compatible

^^Nice seat by the way^^

I have not heard anything about the current Fanatec wheels not being compatible with the PS4. I know they will not work with the XBone.

Price can be an issue for sure. The CSR Elite paired with Club Sport pedals is about double the cost of the GT3 RS/CSP. It is a better wheel though, better paddle shifting and better FFB + more comfortable grip

 

[Sixflags48]

I have not heard anything about the current Fanatec wheels not being compatible with the PS4. I know they will not work with the XBone.

Price can be an issue for sure. The CSR Elite paired with Club Sport pedals is about double the cost of the GT3 RS/CSP

In my opinion if you are not getting the CSR Elite pedals you might as well just get the G27, the GT3 RS Value XL is the same price as the G27, and correct me if I am wrong, uses dual motors and belts rather than gears.

 

[huhobanut]

Thanks ^^ ... Seat was £270 when I bought mine but their on eBay now for £200 ... Only thing you don't get is shifter bracket , but I made my own for £5 ... £50 for one off the company that make the seat !!! And made handbrake for about £12 .... All good (cheap) fun ..

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

In short, G27, hands down. Here's a list of reasons why:

- Better force feedback
- Higher build quality (been using my G25 for 7 years now, and the G25 and G27 share most of the same guts)
- Clutch and separate shifter module, so that you can move the shifter around your rig to simulate the approximate shifter position the car you're driving uses
- LED tachometer at the top of the wheel
- Probable compatibility with both PS4 and Xbox One

 

[Sixflags48]

- LED tachometer at the top of the wheel

I hardly use the LED strip, the red and the orange are too similar for my eyes to pick up, but it looks cool on downshifts, if the LED's were higher up, it would be great.

As for build quality, both the shifter set for Fanatec and the G25/27 are rubbish (in my opinion) both feeling plasticy compared to TH-8 I tried at a GT-Nissan game demo, I have not seen too much around my parts about Fanatec wheels dying on people, but Logitech wheels are solid for sure, with my DFGT having over 1000 hours of use. Logitech pedals feel passable compared to the CSR-E with the later having more metal in the construction (rock on) and the Fanatec pedals have an optional kit to invert the pedals, rather than relying on a rig to mount them to, also, dont forget about that load cell feel for the CSR-E

 

[Youngun]

T500 seems to be the best alrounder with there new H shifter is a pricey addition but peddles can easily be inverted, and build quality is awesome but only played on for a few hours so yep.....

 

[Sixflags48]

T500 seems to be the best alrounder with there new H shifter is a pricey addition but peddles can easily be inverted, and build quality is awesome but only played on for a few hours so yep.....

If I had a PC to race on and no budget, I would go with a Thrustmaster TX wheel with the 458 Challenge wheel, a Fanatec or DSD shifer, and the CSR-E pedals with DSD Tilton pedal plates. Unfortunately they don't allow this on a console, but I hear the TX is quite nice, and has not too many differences in feel compared to the t500rs.

I feel this tread should be moved to hardware though.

 

[whereSTheFUhd]

In short, G27, hands down. Here's a list of reasons why:

- Better force feedback
- Higher build quality (been using my G25 for 7 years now, and the G25 and G27 share most of the same guts)
- Clutch and separate shifter module, so that you can move the shifter around your rig to simulate the approximate shifter position the car you're driving uses
- LED tachometer at the top of the wheel
- Probable compatibility with both PS4 and Xbox One

Better force feedback than what? It's already been stated in this thread that G27 has been noted to have the weakest force feedback. Again, higher build quality than what? In regards to shifting, Fanatec also has a clutch and separate gated H-pattern shifter module, along with a sequential shifter. Also, the simple fact that Fanatec pedals use a load cell sensor puts their pedals, especially the Club Sports, on a totally different level from the G25/27 pedals. Lastly, the G25/27 - and any other HID protocol wheel, for that matter - most definitely are not compatible with the Xbox One.

There are a lot of factors to consider, which others have been duly noting, however, it's abundantly clear that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Sixflags48]

I can't wait to see what Mad Catz' latest wheel will be like (I know there will be no PS3 support) but in a recent games conference they had their wheel taped to a table, and people were using it by standing up. I hope it is not as much of a joke as their last attempt, still no clutch pedal.

 

[BrandonW77]

Fanatec 911. I've had both, it's a better wheel and my G27 (along with many others) had a part inside that self destructed. Fanatec has a package deal with the 911 GT3, shifter set and CSR Elite pedals for $259 USD.

 

[IROC89CAMARO]

I have tried both Fanatic and G27 and imho the G27 is the best all around wheel for the money. If your want to play on 360 then get a Fanatic simple as that. I like the G27 for the price and imo it looks better and well built. Some people will say Fanatic is god send, but tbh your paying for the logo and the smooth FFB. For the money your not going to be faster or look any better then the GT7, your just paying more money to play on xbox.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Better force feedback than what? It's already been stated in this thread that G27 has been noted to have the weakest force feedback. Again, higher build quality than what? In regards to shifting, Fanatec also has a clutch and separate gated H-pattern shifter module, along with a sequential shifter. Also, the simple fact that Fanatec pedals use a load cell sensor puts their pedals, especially the Club Sports, on a totally different level from the G25/27 pedals. Lastly, the G25/27 - and any other HID protocol wheel, for that matter - most definitely are not compatible with the Xbox One.

There are a lot of factors to consider, which others have been duly noting, however, it's abundantly clear that you don't know what you're talking about.

You have points on some of those, but I've seen YouTube videos (from a while ago, mind you - I can't remember who uploaded them or the title) that said the G27 had stronger FFB. Granted, I'm not speaking from personal experience here - I can't tell you how strong the FFB on the Fanatec wheels are, having never owned one. One thing I am speaking from personal experience on, however, is the durability. I've been using my G25 for far longer than a racing wheel has a right to last, and I've only had minor issues with the potentiometers on the gas and brake, and the occasional deal where the wheel isn't quite centered. Keep in mind I tend to (ab)use this wheel for sometimes many hours a day.

As far as the PS4/XBONE compatibility, I should have worded it better. I meant that Logitech is probably working on compatibility for those consoles and might add it in later if possible (which it's probably not going to be, but hey).

 

[IROC89CAMARO]

Speaking of durability with both wheels for that matter is people going from lock to lock hard so hard it knocks the sensor off center just like it does with a Real car creating play in the center. Both wheels are prone to this if you abuse it and act and drive stupid.

 

[ShaZZa]

G27.
Awesome value for money.